Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread

[HB2]

Group E looks a bit more clear, with France, Lithuania, Serbia as favorites, and Ukraïne looking like the other team to advance. Belgium and Latvia have played really well, but they need to win almost every game in this stage.

I doubt that Ukraine wins against Serbia or Lithuania, so as soon as Ukraine loses to Latvia it is Latvia's spot to lose, unless they lose to Belgium when it is down to point difference.

[mixerball]

Montenegro beats Serbia by 7. Poland beats Slovenia by 10. Bosnia almost eliminates Lithuania. Finland beats Greece by 9.

What the hell is going on this tournament? The parity between teams is ridiculous and some rosters are all Euroleauge + NBA caliber.

the outcome of these two games had no effect on the next round, so competitivness wasnt there and players were just trying to avoid an injury

Alright thanks... didn't know that the +/- mattered for only the relevant countries, and not those in the group as a whole.

are you being sarcastic? if you are, you are failing

[Nuntius]

I was watching the end of the game, didn't know exactly what was happening. Was terribly confused. I figured if Bosnia won they were in on account of head to head match ups. Didn't realize point diff. came first.

Head to head match-ups come first when it's a tie between two teams. But when more than two teams are involved in the tie then point differential matters. In this case, it was a 4-way tie.

head to head matters always even when there is a 4-way tie (therefore Serbs were first with 3:0 record against the other teams, regardless of the points) - only when ''head to head'' is tied (3 teams with 1-1 in their games) the points matter

Yeah, I know. I should have clarified this but it was late and I was in a hurry. Thanks for the correction

[Nuntius]

was it allowed in theory for bosnia to score 6 auto-points(in they own basket) and go to overtime in order to get another 5 minutes for making required 10+ difference?

This is the best idea ever, I wish someone tried that.

Actually, I remember a team doing something similar to this. They didn't score points in their own basket, of course, but I think that they tried their best to let their opponents tie them in order to get the differential in OT. Their opponents tried their best not to tie them

[Nuntius]

Group E looks a bit more clear, with France, Lithuania, Serbia as favorites, and Ukraïne looking like the other team to advance. Belgium and Latvia have played really well, but they need to win almost every game in this stage.

I doubt that Ukraine wins against Serbia or Lithuania, so as soon as Ukraine loses to Latvia it is Latvia's spot to lose, unless they lose to Belgium when it is down to point difference.

Why do you doubt this? Ukraine has played really well so far and they matched France point to point until the last 5 minutes.

People have to stop underestimating some teams because they are not traditional powerhouses and overestimating some other teams because they are. Just look at what happened to Turkey and Russia.

[Nuntius]

the outcome of these two games had no effect on the next round, so competitivness wasnt there and players were just trying to avoid an injury

Alright thanks... didn't know that the +/- mattered for only the relevant countries, and not those in the group as a whole.

are you being sarcastic? if you are, you are failing

No, he isn't. He said a lot of times that he wasn't sure if it was the point differential or the head-to-head that mattered.

[aporel18]

Group E looks a bit more clear, with France, Lithuania, Serbia as favorites, and Ukraïne looking like the other team to advance. Belgium and Latvia have played really well, but they need to win almost every game in this stage.

I doubt that Ukraine wins against Serbia or Lithuania, so as soon as Ukraine loses to Latvia it is Latvia's spot to lose, unless they lose to Belgium when it is down to point difference.

Why do you doubt this? Ukraine has played really well so far and they matched France point to point until the last 5 minutes.

People have to stop underestimating some teams because they are not traditional powerhouses and overestimating some other teams because they are. Just look at what happened to Turkey and Russia.

Well said, Nuntius. By the way, Ukraine advances with one point, so they just need to beat Latvia to secure their spot, unless Belgium wins their 3 games. I have nothing but respect for the first European basketball champions (in 1935 beating Spain for the gold) and I also have a good friend who is Latvian, but I'd say it's Ukraine's spot to lose, and not the other way around.

It's a shame Greece advanced with no points, Thursday's game will be a dog fight. I'm looking forward to see Spanoulis against the Spanish guards and Bouroussis against Marc Gasol.

[JV4MVP]

Alright thanks... didn't know that the +/- mattered for only the relevant countries, and not those in the group as a whole.

are you being sarcastic? if you are, you are failing

But if the head-to-head matchups were more important than the +/- then Bosnia would have taken 3rd over Lithuania as they beat them. But then there would be the complication of Latvia losing to Lithuania. So it must be ultimately the +/- between the remaining teams.

You probably misunderstood what I was asking. I wasn't sure if +/-, say for LTU, was calculated based on ever single game for Lithuania in Group B (Serbia, Latvia, Montenegro, Latvia & Bosnia), or was calculated just from the games against the advancing candidates (Serbia, Latvia & Bosnia).

[BamBam9]

Last 2 games of Ricky Rubio, 11/16 FG, 2/3 3pts, also he's shooting 52,6% from the field.


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[BoomFizzle]

His shot looks a little more fluid but to be honest this could just be a result of high confidence. His first few weeks in the NBA he was shooting pretty well then quickly fell off. His release still looks pretty low, not much leg use and a bit herky jerky. He was already a good FT shooter so hopefully the potential is there. A respectable open jump shot and a go to floater in the lane and he is a much better player.

[CKRT]

when are the next games and where are you guys watching these?

[HB2]

Group E looks a bit more clear, with France, Lithuania, Serbia as favorites, and Ukraïne looking like the other team to advance. Belgium and Latvia have played really well, but they need to win almost every game in this stage.

I doubt that Ukraine wins against Serbia or Lithuania, so as soon as Ukraine loses to Latvia it is Latvia's spot to lose, unless they lose to Belgium when it is down to point difference.

Why do you doubt this? Ukraine has played really well so far and they matched France point to point until the last 5 minutes.

People have to stop underestimating some teams because they are not traditional powerhouses and overestimating some other teams because they are. Just look at what happened to Turkey and Russia.

well, I don't know - we will have to wait and see the game Latvia vs Ukraine. If I wanted to play my Devil's advocate I could say that just going by the results:
- Yes, Ukraine was in game with France up until that last five minutes of the game?! Same France who lost to Germany, was 15 down to Belgium?! The worse version of France than nearly lost to the Latvian team 2 years ago, Latvian team that didn't have 2-3 better players that they have now (while still missing their 4 best players), and that was 2 years less experienced and the youngest team at the time?
- Going by these results it could be argued that none of the teams from France-Belgium-Ukraine would have made out of the group B.
- Latvia was in the game till the end with Lithuania (despite having their worst shooting game) and Serbia (despite the fact that Latvian leader barely could contain himself not to cuss out the refs on public tv).

But all I said was that it is not correct that Latvia needs to win all their games to get to the next stage - it might be enough to win just Ukraine.

P.S. I wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine beats Lithuania - they were lucky against Montenegro, Latvia had the worst shooting game against them, and they still were couple less offensive rebounds away from being eliminated by Bosnia.

[HB2]

I doubt that Ukraine wins against Serbia or Lithuania, so as soon as Ukraine loses to Latvia it is Latvia's spot to lose, unless they lose to Belgium when it is down to point difference.

Why do you doubt this? Ukraine has played really well so far and they matched France point to point until the last 5 minutes.

People have to stop underestimating some teams because they are not traditional powerhouses and overestimating some other teams because they are. Just look at what happened to Turkey and Russia.

Well said, Nuntius. By the way, Ukraine advances with one point, so they just need to beat Latvia to secure their spot, unless Belgium wins their 3 games. I have nothing but respect for the first European basketball champions (in 1935 beating Spain for the gold) and I also have a good friend who is Latvian, but I'd say it's Ukraine's spot to lose, and not the other way around.

It's a shame Greece advanced with no points, Thursday's game will be a dog fight. I'm looking forward to see Spanoulis against the Spanish guards and Bouroussis against Marc Gasol.

I said it is Latvia's spot to lose IF they win Ukraine

[HB2]

Alright thanks... didn't know that the +/- mattered for only the relevant countries, and not those in the group as a whole.

are you being sarcastic? if you are, you are failing

But if the head-to-head match-ups were more important than the +/- then Bosnia would have taken 3rd over Lithuania as they beat them. But then there would be the complication of Latvia losing to Lithuania. So it must be ultimately the +/- between the remaining teams.

You probably misunderstood what I was asking. I wasn't sure if +/-, say for LTU, was calculated based on ever single game for Lithuania in Group B (Serbia, Latvia, Montenegro, Latvia & Bosnia), or was calculated just from the games against the advancing candidates (Serbia, Latvia & Bosnia).

? :/ head to head match-ups are the primary determinant of who goes ahead. In Lithuania vs Bosnia game it couldn't be determinant because Latvia (and in the end also Serbia) had the same win-lose ratio and they had a 3 way (later 4 way tie). Since Latvia beat Bosnia, Lithuania beat Latvia and Bosnia beat Lithuania you are 'going in circles' when looking and head to head match-ups (rock-paper-scissors if you will). Therefore you have to look at point IN THE GAMES BETWEEN THOSE TEAMS as a secondary determinant. not all advancing candidates, not all teams - just the teams with which you have the same record (overall) and with which the head-to-head record is the same.

[Mass Rig]

Actually, I remember a team doing something similar to this. They didn't score points in their own basket, of course, but I think that they tried their best to let their opponents tie them in order to get the differential in OT. Their opponents tried their best not to tie them

Actually, the rules changed a few years ago to prevent scoring in your own basket. I think you now get a technical foul.

[HuuHaa]

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[CerambyX]

Well, Latvia +33 after 3 quarters against Ukraine.

[HB2]

well, I don't know - we will have to wait and see the game Latvia vs Ukraine. If I wanted to play my Devil's advocate I could say that just going by the results:
- Yes, Ukraine was in game with France up until that last five minutes of the game?! Same France who lost to Germany, was 15 down to Belgium?! The worse version of France than nearly lost to the Latvian team 2 years ago, Latvian team that didn't have 2-3 better players that they have now (while still missing their 4 best players), and that was 2 years less experienced and the youngest team at the time?
- Going by these results it could be argued that none of the teams from France-Belgium-Ukraine would have made out of the group B.
- Latvia was in the game till the end with Lithuania (despite having their worst shooting game) and Serbia (despite the fact that Latvian leader barely could contain himself not to cuss out the refs on public tv).

But all I said was that it is not correct that Latvia needs to win all their games to get to the next stage - it might be enough to win just Ukraine.

P.S. I wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine beats Lithuania - they were lucky against Montenegro, Latvia had the worst shooting game against them, and they still were couple less offensive rebounds away from being eliminated by Bosnia.

And now that I have seen the first 3 quarters of Latvia vs Ukraine game, I have only one question:
Will FIBA, Ukraine, France and Belgium issue an apology to FYR of Macedonia, Bosnia and Montenegro for the shi... grouping?

[HB2]

Somewhat disappointing 4th Q by Latvians - lost their concentration on D and weren't able to score more points from 3 than Ukraine in total - 45:51

[JV4MVP]

Somewhat disappointing 4th Q by Latvians - lost their concentration on D and weren't able to score more points from 3 than Ukraine in total - 45:51

They won by 34... that's huge lol... relax

So Ukraine will have to either beat LTU or SRB to have a chance at the quarterfinals. Will be tough. Kind of blew their chance with this disaster today.