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[fatlever]

i dont understand why anyone would want us to take beasley for any amount of money.

[lmcguir5]

i dont understand why anyone would want us to take beasley for any amount of money.

I wouldn't give him a dime. He's just another guy who's skated by on talent alone and never done anything to improve. Kinda like Dwight

[fatlever]

time for the phoenix suns top 50. i cant imaging this one will make me as angry as the sixers rankings. suns have a lot of tough guys to rank, guys who had great seasons with the suns but were only there a few years - barkley, kidd, chambers, hawkins, lucas, e.johnson, c.scott, silas, marbury, truck, d.johnson etc...

my best guess

1.steve nash (2)
2.walter davis (4)
3.kevin johnson (1)
4.paul westphal (9)
5.charles barkley (3)
6.alvan adams (5)
7.shawn marion (6)
8.amare stoudemire (7)
9.dick van arsdale (8)
10.dan majerlie (12)
11.jason kidd (13)
12.larry nance (10)
13.jeff hornacek (14)
14.tom chambers (11)
15.connie hawkins (15)


westphal led suns to finals as best player, so did barkely. westphal gets nod for longer career with suns. barkley clearly had the best year ever for a suns player though. just wasnt there long enough to be higher.

(edit - wow, they had westphal all the way down to 9. i dont get that ranking. he led the team to the finals in 75-76, made 4 all-star games with suns, 3x 1st team NBA, 2nd team NBA. he was only there 5 years but accomplished a ton. in retrospect though, i should have had barkley higher, since barkley did most of those things and won MVP, still 9 is too low for westphal. once again, hoopshype not looking enough at playoffs, finals and honors. too much on stats)

(edit 2 - i definitely dont agree with kevin johnson over nash. johnson was there longer (11 years to 8) but nash was always the best player on the team during his 8 years and won two NBA NVP awards while carrying that franchise on his back. nash was 3x 1st team NBA, while KJ never reached that honor. KJ did make the finals, but that was more about barkley. oh well... that being said, in retrospect i also should have had KJ higher than davis. too much of walter's stats just didnt translate to anything for the franchise)

my revised rankings
1.steve nash (2)
2.kevin johnson (1)
3.walter davis (4)
4.charles barkley (3)
5.paul westphal (9)
6.alvan adams (5)
7.shawn marion (6)
8.amare stoudemire (7)
9.dick van arsdale (8)
10.dan majerlie (12)
11.jason kidd (13)
12.larry nance (10)
13.tom chambers (11)
14.jeff hornacek (14)
15.connie hawkins (15)


BOOM!!! my 1st 15/15
9/10
4/5

[LamarMatic7]

I see a point in taking a chance at someone like Cousins but I don't see the logic in giving Beasley a shot. He juts isn't that good, he has every deficiency a tweener has. There will be a game where his long twos are falling in and he'll look good but it will be followed up by 10 games where it will be just that - an average percentage made of the worst shot in basketball.

[fatlever]

http://hoopshype.com/galleries/hoopshyp ... rs-history

spurs top 50. this one should be fairly easy i think.

my best guess

1.tim duncan (1)
2.david robinson (2)
3.george gervin (3)
4.tony parker (4)
5.manu ginobili (5)
6.sean elliot (6)
7.avery johnson (7)
8.alvin robertson (10)
9.bruce bowen (11)
10.mike mitchell (8)
11.larry kenon (13)
12.artis gilmore (9)
13.terry cummings (16)
14.willie anderson (14)
15.johnny moore (15)

will be interesting to see where hoopshype places bruce bowen, since statistically he doesnt compare with the others, but in terms of importance he was much more valuable.

players i missed
12. james silas


14/15
8/10
5/5

that top 7 was super easy. no way anyone could screw that up.

[vorbis]

fats are you the Rain Man of the 1970's/80's NBA? i am 82% serious.

[fatlever]

fats are you the Rain Man of the 1970's/80's NBA? i am 82% serious.

i wish i could say i am pulling all these names out of my brain, but thats not the case. i am getting some help from bball-ref. if it was limited to 1980-present i could maybe do it, but i have no chance with the pre-1980 guys, outside of the big names.

time for the warriors. this one will be tough since they have such a long history and their peak was long before i was watching basketball, so lots of guys i never saw play in the top 15 probably.

side note, steph curry only ranks #27 on warriors all-time scoring list. i would have thought he'd be higher.

top 5 are straight down the all-time leading scorers list. 6 and 7 get the nod for winning rings. in the case of fulks he was the best player on the 1947 championship team. that gets a big bump in rankings for me, even if it is 1947. you play to bring championships to your franchise (or money). jeff mullens gets the next spot for being pretty good over a really long time for the club. he was never great, but was borderline all-star good for many years. gotta give hardaway a bump over short due to being so electric and energizing a dead franchise. short did damage on some pretty bad warrior teams. sleepy jumps over some guys simply for his playoffs in 1987. i just cant bring myself to rank the empty stat guys like richardson, jamison and ellis. congrats on putting up a ton of points on terrible teams. you guys did nothing to help the franchise. thats why curry will be higher in my rankings despite less years and less points. curry has done more for the warriors than those other 3 combined. also hard to rank joe barely cares any higher. guy was a massive disappointment, but he is in the top 10 in a lot of categories and had a few monster years.

1.wilt chamberlain (1)
2.rick barry (2)
3.paul arzin (3)
4.chris mullin (4)
5.nate thurmond (5)
6.neil johnson (8)
7.joe fulks (18)
8.jeff mullens (6)
9.tim hardaway (7)
10.purvis short (10)
11.sleepy floyd (16)
12.latrell sprewell (12)
13.guy rogers (13)
14.joe barry carroll (9)
15.steph curry (21)

side note: rod higgins at #28
i knew curry wouldnt make their top 15, but i just refuse to give credit to the empty stat generation of warriors - jamison, maggette, arenas, richardson, ellis etc... i'd rather see baron and jax in the top 15 for leading to the win over the mavs.
thank god, jamison at 20, ellis at 17.
booo... sleepy at 16.... boo. (cue link to sleepy scoring 1000000 pts in a single quarter vs the lakers)
seems hoopshype is going straight down all-time pts scored again.
hoopshype had no love for fulks. not sure why. 14th in franchise scoring, won a title with warriors as their best player (by a mile), is in hall-of-fame (and only played with warriors), 3x 1st team all-nba, 2nd team all-nba, yet he gets ranked behind jason **** richardson?

players i missed
15. tom gola
14. jason richardson - boooooooooooooooo
11. mitch richmond - i can dig it. he didnt have the longevity, but like hardaway, he did something special while he was there.


12/15
9/10
5/5

[LamarMatic7]

It's exactly the same with me. I'm competent in the three point era, but I just can't remember the Jeff Mullins's of the world. I've read and watched some about the 70s, yet I just can't bring myself to remember who was who, I always need to look them up on bk-ref to remind myself. I suppose it would be easier, if I had watched as much ball of the 70s as of the later decades.

[fatlever]

people in charlotte should know who jeff mullens is because he coached the UNCC 49ers for many years back in the byron dinkins, henry williams and jarvis lang days. besides that, he is very forgettable as an NBA player.

[fatlever]

https://blogs.emory.edu/sportsmarketing ... y-the-nba/

In absolute terms, Charlotte performs relatively poorly in terms of social media metrics. However, when we adjust for team performance and market size, the team does fairly well. This indicates that the Charlotte market has fairly resilient fans, and likely speaks to the potential of the market if a consistent winning team is developed.

[Snidely FC]

Allegations of domestic violence against Royce White.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1761 ... c-violence

[HornetJail]

I'm glad we didn't have to waste a 2nd rounder on him.

[fatlever]

time to do the kings top 50. another team with a long history that peaked before my time. could be tough. franchise spans 4 cities - rochester, cincinnati, kansas city and sacramento

http://hoopshype.com/galleries/hoopshyp ... Idslide-47

my best guess at the top 15

1.oscar robertson (1)
2.jack twyman (2)
3.mitch richmond (6)
4.chris webber (3)
5.jerry lucas (4)
6.tiny archibald (5)
7.peja stojakovic (7)
8.sam lacey (8)
9.bobby wanzer (15)
10.arnie risen (23)
11.wayne embry (10)
12.scott wedman (12)
13.otis birdsong (22)
14.vlade divac (9)
15.mike bibby (11)

no love for this arnie risen fella. dude averaged a double double for his career, won a ring with the franchise, made 4 all-star games with the franchise and played in an era when scores were low, so his stats dont compare with the faster eras. pretty good resume if you ask me.

i thought birdsong might make it. he was white hot for a short time with the franchise.

have i ever mentioned that i am not a fan of mike bibby?

players i missed
14.bob davies
13.eddie johnson

13/15
8/10
4/5

[fatlever]

time for the clippers!!! its pretty sad when i cant think of who should be #1 off the top of my head. chris paul is the best player the franchise has ever had, but he has only been there two years. this one is going to be super random.

oh my, king of empty stats, cory maggette is #4 alltime in scoring. LOL. i cant put him top 10. can i?

1.randy smith - good player, long career with franchise. leader in most categories. took them to playoffs 3 times in 70s. (2)
2.bob mcadoo - only reason i dont have him at #1 is because he was only there 4 years. obviously he was a much better player at his peak than smith (1)
3.elton brand (3)
4.danny manning (5)
5.ron harper (8)
6.cory maggette - ARGH, EMPTY STATS (7)
7.blake griffin (4)
8.chris paul - only two years, but probably best player in franchise history. should be ranked #1 in two years time. (6)
9.world b. free - also only two years, but scored his brains out in those two years, 30ppg and 28ppg. take that empty stats maggette. (13)
10.ken norman (17)
11.chris kaman (10)
12.loy vaught (9)
13.eric piatkowski (12)
14.benoit benjamin (15)
15.lamar odom (11)


you could be a pretty nasty all-star team of the guys who played a few years for the clips and dont crack the top 15.
tom chambers, marques johnson, michael cage, bill walton, baron davis, mark jackson, terry cummings,

players i missed
14.bob kaufman

14/15
8/10
4/5

[fatlever]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/965 ... e-nba-game

40 minute games? what are your thoughts?

[chrbal]

I would leave the game at 48 minutes. I would cut the season to 76 games. The top 16 teams OVERALL should make the playoffs (last year Utah would've been the 16th seed, dumping the Bucks out).

And there should be a way to trade players post deadline. Maybe you would have to get approval, so Miami couldn't pick up a really good free agent to be for some 2nd round pick, but I think it would help.

[LamarMatic7]

I would leave the game at 48 minutes. I would cut the season to 76 games. The top 16 teams OVERALL should make the playoffs (last year Utah would've been the 16th seed, dumping the Bucks out).

And there should be a way to trade players post deadline. Maybe you would have to get approval, so Miami couldn't pick up a really good free agent to be for some 2nd round pick, but I think it would help.

I like the number of 72 games.

But why do you want to eliminate the trade deadline?

[HornetJail]

Hell no to the 40 minute game. Make Miami, OKC, and company have to gameplan a few minutes a game with their benches rather than never subbing out their superstars.

I actually think that the 66 games we had during the lockout, had it been spread over the course of the usual 5 1/2 to 6 months rather than the condensed schedule, would have benefited the players as well as the fans.

How about:
-> 20 games against the West (one game against each team in the opposing conference but a corresponding division in that conference that gets two games per year which changes year after year to balance things out)
-> 30 games against the other EC divisions (three games played per year against the 10 teams in the other divisions)
-> 20 games against your own conference (five games played per year against the other 4 teams in your division)
-> total of 70 games.
-> weighs conference play and division play more heavily, and it heats up conference rivalries better.
-> Bring back the best of 5 first round but only for the 1/8 and 2/7 matchups,
-> eliminate back-to-backs altogether - seriously, 70 games in 160+ days- you should never need to schedule a back to back
-> make two 4-5 day breaks around Christmas time and All-Star break/trade deadline time to help players rest up, and give a few days rest before the playoffs start.

[Diop]

we have 40 minute games down here.

The biggest adjustment was going back to 5 fouls per person. Its amazing how quick you can get into real foul trouble here.
All players minutes did decrease as your bench players will want to play and you have to give them a few minutes to get them to be effective.

[HornetJail]

Beasley's going down to Miami. If he pans out there, watch out.



So many former top five picks on that roster- Lebron, Bosh, Wade, Oden, Beasley, Allen are all top 5 picks- Shane Batter is a 6th pick, and should Juwan Howard return to Miami, there's another #5 pick.

If were really going to stretch things, we could say Birdman is ALSO a top pick, since he never entered the NBA draft, but was drafted 1st in the 2001 D-League draft.