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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#921 » by theman » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:40 pm

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fraanciiscoo wrote:my team

I see a lot of streaming in your future. :D


I saw that before his first pick.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#922 » by Woody Allen » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:32 pm

Shopping Luke Ridnour. Willing add another piece or two to make the trade work. Looking for a forward.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#923 » by bww78 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:39 pm

fraanciiscoo wrote:my team

PG Ty Lawson pg
sg DeMar DeRozan sg/sf
g Jamal Crawford pg/sg
g Ray Allen sg
sf Paul Pierce sg/sf
PF David West Pf
f Jared Sullinger PF
f Tayshaun Prince sf/PF
C Marc Gasol C
C Jonas Valanciunas C
b Ben McLemore Pg/sg
b Shane Battier sg/sf
b Josh McRoberts PF/c
b Jason Smith Pf/c


Good in points, FG% and FT%.

Above average in rebounds and blocks.

Below average in TO's and threes.

Bad in assists and steals.

You should win more games than you lose.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#924 » by fraanciiscoo » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:01 pm

theman wrote:
Hopper15 wrote:
fraanciiscoo wrote:my team

I see a lot of streaming in your future. :D


I saw that before his first pick.


funny that
a) woody and wb finish with more moves that i
a.1) this year is not going to be different imo
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#925 » by Curtis Lemansky » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:02 pm

bww78 wrote:
fraanciiscoo wrote:my team

PG Ty Lawson pg
sg DeMar DeRozan sg/sf
g Jamal Crawford pg/sg
g Ray Allen sg
sf Paul Pierce sg/sf
PF David West Pf
f Jared Sullinger PF
f Tayshaun Prince sf/PF
C Marc Gasol C
C Jonas Valanciunas C
b Ben McLemore Pg/sg
b Shane Battier sg/sf
b Josh McRoberts PF/c
b Jason Smith Pf/c


Good in points, FG% and FT%.

Above average in rebounds and blocks.

Below average in TO's and threes.

Bad in assists and steals.

You should win more games than you lose.


Disagree with this. Allen, Pierce, Lawson, Crawford, Battier, McLemore puts this team above average (somehwere around 5-7 range).. Crawford - Allen - Battier - Pierce all nearly get 2 3's per game. TO's should be average as well (nobody except Lawson (2.5) gets more than 2 turnovers per game.).

On the other hand, blocks should be just average. Gasol and Val bring blocks but nobody else on the roster averages more than 1 bpg if I'm not mistaken
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#926 » by fraanciiscoo » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:03 pm

theman wrote:
Hopper15 wrote:
fraanciiscoo wrote:my team

I see a lot of streaming in your future. :D


I saw that before his first pick.


funny that
a) woody and wb finish with more moves that i
a.1) this year is not going to be different imo
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#927 » by theman » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:05 pm

fraanciiscoo wrote:
theman wrote:
Hopper15 wrote:I see a lot of streaming in your future. :D


I saw that before his first pick.


funny that
a) woody and wb finish with more moves that i
a.1) this year is not going to be different imo


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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#928 » by writersblock » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:47 pm

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bww78 wrote:
fraanciiscoo wrote:my team

PG Ty Lawson pg
sg DeMar DeRozan sg/sf
g Jamal Crawford pg/sg
g Ray Allen sg
sf Paul Pierce sg/sf
PF David West Pf
f Jared Sullinger PF
f Tayshaun Prince sf/PF
C Marc Gasol C
C Jonas Valanciunas C
b Ben McLemore Pg/sg
b Shane Battier sg/sf
b Josh McRoberts PF/c
b Jason Smith Pf/c


Good in points, FG% and FT%.

Above average in rebounds and blocks.

Below average in TO's and threes.

Bad in assists and steals.

You should win more games than you lose.


Disagree with this. Allen, Pierce, Lawson, Crawford, Battier, McLemore puts this team above average (somehwere around 5-7 range).. Crawford - Allen - Battier - Pierce all nearly get 2 3's per game. TO's should be average as well (nobody except Lawson (2.5) gets more than 2 turnovers per game.).

On the other hand, blocks should be just average. Gasol and Val bring blocks but nobody else on the roster averages more than 1 bpg if I'm not mistaken


I think Allen, Pierce, Battier, and Crawford all take hits to their numbers this year.
Pierce may be the one who is the most unscathed by his situation. He averaged under 2 3s a game (1.8) in 33 mins. I can see him playing closer to 30 throughout the year, to preserve his health/stamina for the playoffs. I'd give him 1.5 3s a game.
Crawford was 6th man behind [removed because he hasn't been picked yet]. [removed because he hasn't been picked yet]!! Two 3s in 30 mins. a game is what it earned him. Redick is a considerable upgrade at starting SG, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Crawford's numbers go down as well, closer to 1.5 3s a game.
As for Allen and Battier, they're playing on a 3-peat seeking team. Do you know when Shaq started to mail in seasons? Right around the back-to-back/3peat timeframe. I don't think Allen and Battier will mail it in, but I do think that they'll be used less extensively during the season considering their age, to save their stamina for the playoffs. I wouldn't be surprised to see them dip below the 2 3/game range too. So, just for consistency sake, let's go with 1.5 3s per player.
As for Mclemore, I wouldn't call him the incumbent starter just yet. There's no guarantee he gets minutes or produces. I wouldn't pencil him in for any more than 1 3 a game at this point.
Lawson will need to score more, so I'm going to bump him up to 1.5 3s a game.

That puts Fran at 7.5 3s a game. I haven't checked the competitive field to see where that lands him, but at about 25 3s per week (if he can play all of his guys), I would say that's about average or slightly above. Not top 5 though.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#929 » by sabonis » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:48 pm

fraanciiscoo wrote:my team

PG Ty Lawson pg
sg DeMar DeRozan sg/sf
g Jamal Crawford pg/sg
g Ray Allen sg
sf Paul Pierce sg/sf
PF David West Pf
f Jared Sullinger PF
f Tayshaun Prince sf/PF
C Marc Gasol C
C Jonas Valanciunas C
b Ben McLemore Pg/sg
b Shane Battier sg/sf
b Josh McRoberts PF/c
b Jason Smith Pf/c


I don't have spreadsheets like you guys do but does this team have lots of scoring? because Crawford will be scoring less, PP (due to team) and Allen (due to age) will score less as well. Sullinger-Prince-Vala-Battier-Smith-McRoberts are hustle type guys
and Lawson is just an ok scorer.

bww said the team was strong in points but all I see is a weak to mediocre team in points, of course as I said I don't have a spreadsheet, I just comment by taking a quick look.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#930 » by writersblock » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:59 pm

sabonis wrote:
fraanciiscoo wrote:my team

PG Ty Lawson pg
sg DeMar DeRozan sg/sf
g Jamal Crawford pg/sg
g Ray Allen sg
sf Paul Pierce sg/sf
PF David West Pf
f Jared Sullinger PF
f Tayshaun Prince sf/PF
C Marc Gasol C
C Jonas Valanciunas C
b Ben McLemore Pg/sg
b Shane Battier sg/sf
b Josh McRoberts PF/c
b Jason Smith Pf/c


I don't have spreadsheets like you guys do but does this team have lots of scoring? because Crawford will be scoring less, PP (due to team) and Allen (due to age) will score less as well. Sullinger-Prince-Vala-Battier-Smith-McRoberts are hustle type guys
and Lawson is just an ok scorer.

bww said the team was strong in points but all I see is a weak to mediocre team in points, of course as I said I don't have a spreadsheet, I just comment by taking a quick look.


First glance would say it's weak in points, but it has potential. Guys like Valanciunas, MclEmore, West, Lawson, and even DeRozan, may be counted on heavily for point production on their teams, but I would agree that it's definitely not a strong team in points. When LAwson and DeRozan are your main scorers, it's hard to make the case that you are strong in that category.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#931 » by Woody Allen » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:02 pm

How is it good at FG%, should be the question. Crawford, McLemore, DeRozan and Pierce are all FG% killers and I see no Shaquille O'Neal on that roster to make up for those. West and Gasol do shoot around 49% but they only attempted 13,8 and 10,9 field goals per game respectively last year.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#932 » by writersblock » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:35 pm

I have a message from TK: He said to go ahead and skip him. He'll pick tonight when he gets home from work.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#933 » by fraanciiscoo » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:46 pm

theman wrote:
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I see a lot of streaming in your future. :D


I saw that before his first pick.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#934 » by Curtis Lemansky » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:51 pm

Both Allen and Battier's mpg declining doesnt make sense to me. Miami's main concern will be protecting Wade during the season so they will be monitoring Wade's minutes very closely. Furthermore Mike Miller is gone so his 15 mpg is up for grabs as well. That means more pt opportunities for both Allen and Battier because Miami havent added anyone of worth during off-season. I expect their pt to stay the same at worst. And I have very little qualms about them starting coasting. Shaq was never a hard-worker, Allen is probably one of the hardest working players in the history of NBA and Battier is a consummate pro whose work ethic is never questioned. I dont think they will suddenly start coasting.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#935 » by writersblock » Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:08 pm

Curtis Lemansky wrote:Both Allen and Battier's mpg declining doesnt make sense to me. Miami's main concern will be protecting Wade during the season so they will be monitoring Wade's minutes very closely. Furthermore Mike Miller is gone so his 15 mpg is up for grabs as well. That means more pt opportunities for both Allen and Battier because Miami havent added anyone of worth during off-season. I expect their pt to stay the same at worst. And I have very little qualms about them starting coasting. Shaq was never a hard-worker, Allen is probably one of the hardest working players in the history of NBA and Battier is a consummate pro whose work ethic is never questioned. I dont think they will suddenly start coasting.


Actually...what I said was that Allen and Battier wouldn't mail it in, but that Spoelstra could monitor their minutes to keep them fresh for the playoffs.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#936 » by writersblock » Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:08 pm

Nevermind.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#937 » by bww78 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:42 pm

Curtis Lemansky wrote:Disagree with this. Allen, Pierce, Lawson, Crawford, Battier, McLemore puts this team above average (somehwere around 5-7 range).. Crawford - Allen - Battier - Pierce all nearly get 2 3's per game.


Pierce, Crawford and Battier at 2/game, Allen and Lawson at about 1/game, and not much else. The team average is 0.8/game, or exactly average in a 20 team league.


TO's should be average as well (nobody except Lawson (2.5) gets more than 2 turnovers per game.).


In the last half of the season, everyone of these players but Sullinger and Battier averaged at least 1 TO/game. Gasol, West, Pierce, Lawson and Crawford all averaged at least 2. As a team, they averaged 1.6 TO/game, which is much worse than the statistical average of our league.

On the other hand, blocks should be just average. Gasol and Val bring blocks but nobody else on the roster averages more than 1 bpg if I'm not mistaken


Agreed. Blocks should be just average. (Thought West, Battier and Smith all get nearly 1 block per game)
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#938 » by bww78 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:44 pm

Woody Allen wrote:How is it good at FG%, should be the question. Crawford, McLemore, DeRozan and Pierce are all FG% killers and I see no Shaquille O'Neal on that roster to make up for those. West and Gasol do shoot around 49% but they only attempted 13,8 and 10,9 field goals per game respectively last year.


The team average should be 46%, which is well above average for the league, or should be.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#939 » by bww78 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:47 pm

sabonis wrote:
fraanciiscoo wrote:my team

PG Ty Lawson pg
sg DeMar DeRozan sg/sf
g Jamal Crawford pg/sg
g Ray Allen sg
sf Paul Pierce sg/sf
PF David West Pf
f Jared Sullinger PF
f Tayshaun Prince sf/PF
C Marc Gasol C
C Jonas Valanciunas C
b Ben McLemore Pg/sg
b Shane Battier sg/sf
b Josh McRoberts PF/c
b Jason Smith Pf/c


I don't have spreadsheets like you guys do but does this team have lots of scoring? because Crawford will be scoring less, PP (due to team) and Allen (due to age) will score less as well. Sullinger-Prince-Vala-Battier-Smith-McRoberts are hustle type guys
and Lawson is just an ok scorer.

bww said the team was strong in points but all I see is a weak to mediocre team in points, of course as I said I don't have a spreadsheet, I just comment by taking a quick look.


Actually, scoring is this team's dominant stat.

Here are the averages of his players in the second half of last season:
14, 17, 19 ,17, 17, 18, 11, 7, 9, 10, 6, 8, 6, 9 (estimated for McLemore).

That comes out to a per player / per game median of just over 12 points, which is far above the average for a 20 team league.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#940 » by bww78 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:53 pm

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I think Allen, Pierce, Battier, and Crawford all take hits to their numbers this year.
Pierce may be the one who is the most unscathed by his situation. He averaged under 2 3s a game (1.8) in 33 mins. I can see him playing closer to 30 throughout the year, to preserve his health/stamina for the playoffs. I'd give him 1.5 3s a game.
Crawford was 6th man behind [removed because he hasn't been picked yet]. [removed because he hasn't been picked yet]!! Two 3s in 30 mins. a game is what it earned him. Redick is a considerable upgrade at starting SG, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Crawford's numbers go down as well, closer to 1.5 3s a game.
As for Allen and Battier, they're playing on a 3-peat seeking team. Do you know when Shaq started to mail in seasons? Right around the back-to-back/3peat timeframe. I don't think Allen and Battier will mail it in, but I do think that they'll be used less extensively during the season considering their age, to save their stamina for the playoffs. I wouldn't be surprised to see them dip below the 2 3/game range too. So, just for consistency sake, let's go with 1.5 3s per player.
As for Mclemore, I wouldn't call him the incumbent starter just yet. There's no guarantee he gets minutes or produces. I wouldn't pencil him in for any more than 1 3 a game at this point.
Lawson will need to score more, so I'm going to bump him up to 1.5 3s a game.

That puts Fran at 7.5 3s a game. I haven't checked the competitive field to see where that lands him, but at about 25 3s per week (if he can play all of his guys), I would say that's about average or slightly above. Not top 5 though.


Edit: Never mind, thought you were referring to Billups.

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