If We Did Not Do The Trade, How Was Our Off-Season?

Post #1 » by **Trader_Joe** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:27 am

Signed AK for the tax exception.
Resigned Blatche for the minimum.
Signed Alan Anderson
Signed Shaun Livingston
Draft Mason Plumlee
Hired Kidd

D.Williams l S.Livingston l T.Taylor
J.Johnson l A.Anderson l M.Brooks
AK l Wallace l Toko
Blatche l Teletovic l Evans l Humphries
Lopez l Blatche l Plumlee
+#1s back

What would our record be (compared to your current expectations)?
What move would you look to make with Hump and our picks if Boston wouldn't make the deal?

DrazenForThree · Post #2 » by **DrazenForThree** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:57 am

Trader_Joe wrote:Signed AK for the tax exception.
Resigned Blatche for the minimum.
Signed Alan Anderson
Signed Shaun Livingston
Draft Mason Plumlee
Hired Kidd

D.Williams l S.Livingston l T.Taylor
J.Johnson l A.Anderson l M.Brooks
AK l Wallace l Toko
Blatche l Teletovic l Evans l Humphries
Lopez l Blatche l Plumlee
+#1s back

What would our record be (compared to your current expectations)?
What move would you look to make with Hump and our picks if Boston wouldn't make the deal?

it would have been mediocure. we likely win about the same amount of games. we needed leaders. badly.

therealbig3 · Post #3 » by **therealbig3** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:27 am

Who's to say that AK signs if we don't have Pierce and KG? I think he even pointed out that's what convinced him to sign.

Those were our 3 biggest acquisitions, without them, we'd be pretty much the exact same team as last year...a highly inconsistent, 45-50 win team with a 2nd round ceiling.

Post #4 » by **Trader_Joe** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:19 pm

therealbig3 wrote:Who's to say that AK signs if we don't have Pierce and KG? I think he even pointed out that's what convinced him to sign.

Those were our 3 biggest acquisitions, without them, we'd be pretty much the exact same team as last year...a highly inconsistent, 45-50 win team with a 2nd round ceiling.

For the sake of argument, let's say he still didn't find a better deal and landed here.
If anything he would get a lot more minutes in this scenario and probably start.

Post #5 » by **Trader_Joe** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:26 pm

DrazenForThree wrote:it would have been mediocure. we likely win about the same amount of games. we needed leaders. badly.

You don't think we'd build on the chemistry and experience of just 1 year together?

Also:

AK >>> Bogans
Anderson >> Stackshouse
Livingston >= Watson
Plumlee means more Blatche at PF

Kidd > PJC/Avery.

Plus we still would have had Hump and 3 1st rounders.

DrazenForThree · Post #6 » by **DrazenForThree** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:15 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:
DrazenForThree wrote:it would have been mediocure. we likely win about the same amount of games. we needed leaders. badly.

You don't think we'd build on the chemistry and experience of just 1 year together?

Also:

AK >>> Bogans
Anderson >> Stackshouse
Livingston >= Watson
Plumlee means more Blatche at PF

Kidd > PJC/Avery.

Plus we still would have had Hump and 3 1st rounders.

i think we would be imrpoved... but not as improved as indiana/chicago. and i think we would have the same heart/leadership issues. we needed a leader. that was what was so huge with the celtics trade we made.

Post #7 » by **NyCeEvO** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:00 am

We would be a 51-52 win team barring massive injuries.

Having Blatche start and putting AK over Wallace would do wonders for ball movement on the offensive end. We'd also be able to run a bit more and pick up the pace.

Given how other teams improved, I'd say 4th seed would a best case scenario (unless MIA, IND suffer major injuries). I also think we'd be a 2nd round exit team.

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M I K E · Post #8 » by **M I K E** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:24 pm

therealbig3 on Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:27 pm
Who's to say that AK signs if we don't have Pierce and KG? I think he even pointed out that's what convinced him to sign.

I have to agree with this...and pound for pound I believe AK was our most important and least expensive acquisition this off-season...I still don't believe he signed with us.

Idee Mixed · Post #9 » by **Idee Mixed** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:03 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:We would be a 51-52 win team barring massive injuries.

Having Blatche start and putting AK over Wallace would do wonders for ball movement on the offensive end. We'd also be able to run a bit more and pick up the pace.

Given how other teams improved, I'd say 4th seed would a best case scenario (unless MIA, IND suffer major injuries). I also think we'd be a 2nd round exit team.

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I think that team would have won more than 51-52 games if AK and AA still came here.

I really think Avery/PJ lost games trying to make points about the defense. I think did it on purpose. Yeah I said it. Those second unit lineups were terrible.

Dwill, JJ, Wallace, AK, Lopez - Livingston, Brooks, AA, Evans, Blatche

Yeah Brooks would still be a liability on Defense but AA or Livingston could still be the D and 3 that guards the opposing unit second unit best SG/SF. Livingston with his passing gets everyone involved and second unit becomes more productive.

That said.

Lets not think about this too much.

I prefer where we are now.

Stone · Post #10 » by **Stone** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:23 pm

Yo SIC, whats up dawg.....^^^^^

I'd say even if the trade did not happen we did improve. But only slightly......My main concern either way is J Kidd @ Coach. He is the wild card.....If we didn't do the trade he would be under high pressure. Now that the trade is done he is the goldfish in the fishbowl. With the NY media and the expectations high things can get ugly quick.

DrazenForThree · Post #11 » by **DrazenForThree** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:36 pm

Stone wrote:Yo SIC, whats up dawg.....^^^^^

I'd say even if the trade did not happen we did improve. But only slightly......My main concern either way is J Kidd @ Coach. He is the wild card.....If we didn't do the trade he would be under high pressure. Now that the trade is done he is the goldfish in the fishbowl. With the NY media and the expectations high things can get ugly quick.

i agree... and to add to that, not only was it not a huge upgrade, we wouldnt have filled our biggest needs: defense, leadership, mental toughness, scoring at the wing off the bench.

agree on kidd as well. prior to that deal, alot more focus on kidd as compared to the team. that script has flipped now

Paradise · Post #12 » by **Paradise** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:43 pm

We would have been a 4th or 5th seed winning 50 games or close to that number again, with similar results against the top tier competition as last year. Kidd would have actually made Wallace more useful and probably used Blatche/Lopez more and that would have been a big help to improving the team internally. But we would have been the team projected as the 5th seed like the Knicks are.

Now, in terms of the moves. I don't see how AK signs here without KG/PP being here already, so I'm going to ignore him in this.

The coaching aspect would have been the biggest pickup this offseason but then you can't grade that either because we aren't sure how better Kidd is over Avery/PJ even though easily he is much better just by having an IQ on the team's struggles.

Keep Blatche, signing Anderson, maybe re-signing Bogans, probably trading HBAP for a decent player, signing Livingston would have made the Offseason a C+ to be honest. It would have taken major internal improvement because if we don't get Terry, KG, PP, AK it's a slightly better offseason than last year.