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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#981 » by sabonis » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:43 pm

writersblock wrote:I see a lot of potential with this team. Without looking at the numbers in detail, my first thought is that this team is very strong in guard stats. You'll be getting the scoring, 3s, and even steals from your guards and your wings. Your depth is also very guard-stat-heavy.

I think your biggest question is your big man stats: How good will Kanter and Olynyk be? KAnter is supposed to have the keys to Utah's front court, but with no Al Jeff looking over his shoulder, how will he do? Olynyk is an even bigger question mark. I doubt Olynyk does as well as people expect, at least before the all-star break. You don't have many back-ups who can fill in either, which means you'll be relying a lot on guys like Blair to fill your C spot. That's not good.

I do really like your "sleeper" picks. Butler, Moultrie, and Tucker have bright futures this year, I think, and your success this year relies as much on them as it does on your top guys like Rose.

I'm not a big fan of your last picks. Gordon has a tough road to climb to get minutes in Charlotte, and I bet he's begging for a trade by January. I think Miles is awful, but in 20 mins a game, besides hurting your %s, he'll give you 10ppg and a 3, so you can't complain. I just wonder if he loses minutes, as waiters emerges as a key part of that rotation. Waiters only played 28 min/game. If he improves his game this year, he's going to need closer to 35, cutting into Miles' minutes. I think Blair is an ok pick, he has steadily lost minutes over the last 3 years, ending at 14/game in 12-13. That's the exact opposite you would expect from a young guy like him. Even in those minutes, he does next to nothing. FG% and modest (very modest) points. Not what you need from a big man.

You might say: Knocking a team for its last picks is a bit unfair, like missing the forest for the trees, but the problem is that in this league, the bottom of your roster is just as important as the top. You can't float with also-rans on your bench, and I worry that might be your biggest weakness (apart from your weakness in big man stats).

Even so, I'd say your team is definitely top 8, and should easily make the playoffs.

hamncheese wrote:I agree with what Brian said. I like it as a playoff team but it's very tight among bottom playoff teams and bubble teams, as I don't see it as a top 4. But what looks like a top 4 to me on paper never seems to work once the season is played. Definite strength in the "small ball" categories. Should be one of the top teams in 3's and ft%. Should put up points, assists, and steals. The bigs such as Ilyasova, Anderson, and Olynyk are the types that add to a small ball team. Blocks is a pretty much a punt for your team.

I too don't like the Gordon pick, simply because I even Gordon wants to play well in contract year, I don't think Charlotte really cares or intends to bring him back. He simply may not get enough playing time as they to focus on their young players.

I like the Redick, Tucker, and Butler picks at where you got them.

Blair is on a new team and with Dalembert as the starting center, there is the potential for playing time. As the manager who drafted Dalembert, I am aware of the dangers of Dally, which could be a good thing for Brandan Wright and Blair owners. CJ Miles has potential... on another team. So best hope is a trade. He's always had potential but has been hurt a lot, and it doesn't look like there is much room for him in Cleveland.


nice, thanks. Anybody else?

I'm somehow a bit more optimistic about Gordon.
Though I think I might have drafted Kanter about 10 picks earlier than where he should go, because he may end up with top 80-85 value.
And I do agree with the risks involving Olynyk.
I do actually like my Blair pick, because when he got 20 minutes in SA, he was top 130-140. So if he does get consistently 20 mpg in Dallas, I don't see how he can't be top 150 again and with that kind of playing time he gives a pretty good boost to FG%, 1 spg and 5.5 rpg, which are just amazing for the 265th pick. But of course, if he ends up playing 12 mpg, all the things I wrote are in vain.
About Miles, yeah sure he might end up getting 14-15 minutes instead of 20 from last year, but this is his contract year as well.
My expectations about Moultrie are cautiously optimistic as well considering he is a post200 pick.

So 3 out of my last 4 picks are playing for a contract, if 1 of them turns up to be top 140, then I'm in pretty good shape.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#982 » by jfrost » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:52 pm

My draft is complete and here is my team...

Dwight Howard
Josh Smith
Rajon Rondo
Andre Iguodala
Tyson Chandler
Joe Johnson
Omer Asik
CJ McCollum
Jason Thompson
Nate Robinson
Gerald Green
Alex Len
Andrew Nicholson
Austin Rivers

Let the team reviews commence!
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#983 » by bww78 » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:12 pm

jfrost wrote:My draft is complete and here is my team...

Dwight Howard
Josh Smith
Rajon Rondo
Andre Iguodala
Tyson Chandler
Joe Johnson
Omer Asik
CJ McCollum
Jason Thompson
Nate Robinson
Gerald Green
Alex Len
Corey Brewer
Austin Rivers

Let the team reviews commence!


Corey Brewer was already picked.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#984 » by jfrost » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:26 pm

Sorry about that... I re-picked.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#985 » by writersblock » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:02 pm

I have to admit, I didn't think that all 3 of my sleepers would be there for me in the 270s.

273. Tyler Hansbrough. I've already commented on this one, but I think he can fill Ed Davis' spot, and get decent numbers, especially for a pick this late.

276. Brian Roberts. He could likely be off my roster before October, but still, he's the only real PG back up on their roster, and he puts up big games every 5 or so games. Good enough for this late. Plus, I think he's the best guard off the bench (I had Rivers last year, he was so frustrating to own).

278. J.J. Barea. Rubio insurance. Even more, he could be traded to a better situation. Either way, here's a guy who led his team in the FIBA Americas championship, and gets pretty decent numbers even in limited minutes. He could easily give me 10 ppg, 1 three. That's not half bad for a guy 2 picks before the end.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#986 » by Curtis Lemansky » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:24 pm

PG: Ramon Sessions (212)
SG: Tony Wroten (267)
G: Patrick Beverley (214)
G: Dennis Schroeder(254)
SF: Rudy Gay (52)
PF: Anthony Davis (10)
F: Thaddeus Young (54)
F: Chris Bosh (41)
C: Brook Lopez (51)
C: Al Jefferson(9)
B: Kendrick Perkins (251)
B: DeMarre Carroll (250)
B: Luc Richard Mbah Moute (229)
B: Patrick Patterson (227)

All-star frontcourt + NBDL backcourt.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#987 » by writersblock » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:33 pm

Curtis Lemansky wrote:PG: Ramon Sessions (212)
SG: Tony Wroten (267)
G: Patrick Beverley (214)
G: Dennis Schroeder(254)
SF: Rudy Gay (52)
PF: Anthony Davis (10)
F: Thaddeus Young (54)
F: Chris Bosh (41)
C: Brook Lopez (51)
C: Al Jefferson(9)
B: Kendrick Perkins (251)
B: DeMarre Carroll (250)
B: Luc Richard Mbah Moute (229)
B: Patrick Patterson (227)

All-star frontcourt + NBDL backcourt.


Haha! You said it.
Seriously though, your team is so top heavy in big man stats that you may lose on the guard stats to nearly every team in the league.

The thing is though, it may not matter. The competition is so guard heavy that you may actually be ok.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#988 » by writersblock » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:48 pm

jfrost wrote:My draft is complete and here is my team...

Dwight Howard
Josh Smith
Rajon Rondo
Andre Iguodala
Tyson Chandler
Joe Johnson
Omer Asik
CJ McCollum
Jason Thompson
Nate Robinson
Gerald Green
Alex Len
Andrew Nicholson
Austin Rivers

Let the team reviews commence!


I haven't thoroughly analyzed the #s but you may be the undisputed champ in boards and blocks. Points may be ok too. Everything else is up in the air though. Without rondo I don't know where your assists would come from...and he's out til December. Steals are average. Ft% is out completely, but I'm sure you planned that. Fg and TOs, blocks and boards are probably gimmes most weeks, but that's only 4. Could be hard pressed to win many weeks by more than 5-4 if not lose 4-5.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#989 » by hamncheese » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:13 am

Floppy - what's up with the player positions in Yahoo? Only 1?
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#990 » by sabonis » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:22 am

lol I'm screwed if these are the final positions.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#991 » by bww78 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:54 am

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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#992 » by Breakdown777 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:24 am

Is it weird that I want to go one more round? The guy I originally had in my roughly made pre-ranks at #187 is still available. On top of that, I saw about 20 more guys I would be fine with drafting.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#993 » by Breakdown777 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:32 am

writersblock wrote:I have to admit, I didn't think that all 3 of my sleepers would be there for me in the 270s.

273. Tyler Hansbrough. I've already commented on this one, but I think he can fill Ed Davis' spot, and get decent numbers, especially for a pick this late.

276. Brian Roberts. He could likely be off my roster before October, but still, he's the only real PG back up on their roster, and he puts up big games every 5 or so games. Good enough for this late. Plus, I think he's the best guard off the bench (I had Rivers last year, he was so frustrating to own).

278. J.J. Barea. Rubio insurance. Even more, he could be traded to a better situation. Either way, here's a guy who led his team in the FIBA Americas championship, and gets pretty decent numbers even in limited minutes. He could easily give me 10 ppg, 1 three. That's not half bad for a guy 2 picks before the end.


I think that the Raptors are going to rely on Novak in the Bargnani role more than Hansbrough in an Ed Davis role. Jonas and Amir look primed to play big minutes, and Gay can always slide to PF in a pinch.

I liked Brian Roberts too. I had him at 232, but I tend to rank PG and C too high, so by the time we get to the mid 100 picks, there are a ton of available PG and C I have tiered way above any SG/SF. Roberts did great in spot minutes last year, and there really isn't anyone else to do the job.

I really liked JJ Barea that late, and I had my eye on him. What stopped me was
1. I wanted another FC.
2. Last year he shot very poorly on 10+ attempts per game. I didn't want that hit to my FG%. He will most likely get fewer minutes, but I don't see the fg% changing. I'm also not sure about a trade. My feeling is that Flip Saunders still wants an asset in return, and no team really wants to give up much for him with how many cheaper 1 year veteran FA options are out there.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#994 » by Breakdown777 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:39 am

I call dibs on the team name "Team DNP" :D

pg - Jeff Teague (58)
sg - Dwayne Wade (18)
g - Steve Nash (77)
g - Eric Gordon (98)
sf - Mike Dunleavy (165)
pf - Amare Stoudemire (103)
f - Elton Brand (178)
f - Corey Brewer (183)
c - David Lee (44)
c - Andrew Bynum (63)
bn - Darren Collison (196)
bn - James Anderson (223)
bn - Donatas Motiejunas (258)
bn - Boris Diaw (263)

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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#995 » by Hopper15 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:31 am

Yikes. I was hoping for some more C eligibility. The crappy Slowpez twin is my only C.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#996 » by floppymoose » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:24 am

I'm under the impression that a lot of players currently listed with single position eligibility will return to dual position. Don't make any panic moves for now.
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#997 » by fraanciiscoo » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:57 am

guys in october i going to be out from chat etc since i going to play again the wsop europe
just accept a deal today
I try to back2back

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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#998 » by writersblock » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:06 pm

fraanciiscoo wrote:guys in october i going to be out from chat etc since i going to play again the wsop europe
just accept a deal today
I try to back2back

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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#999 » by writersblock » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:43 pm

Breakdown777 wrote:I call dibs on the team name "Team DNP" :D

pg - Jeff Teague (58)
sg - Dwayne Wade (18)
g - Steve Nash (77)
g - Eric Gordon (98)
sf - Mike Dunleavy (165)
pf - Amare Stoudemire (103)
f - Elton Brand (178)
f - Corey Brewer (183)
c - David Lee (44)
c - Andrew Bynum (63)
bn - Darren Collison (196)
bn - James Anderson (223)
bn - Donatas Motiejunas (258)
bn - Boris Diaw (263)

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Wow, you're not kidding about going DNP. If they all play 82 games, you're a shoe-in for the playoffs. But I doubt they all play 82 games. I do think you got some good talent later than the picks should've gone. Gordon, Nash, Wade, Bynum, and Teague should all outplay their positions, if they can stay healthy.

Other guys I like:
James Anderson: This could be an absolute steal. JRich is out for who knows how long (some say he won't play this year), and they really don't have any other shooting guards. Anderson could either be the starter or will earn enough minutes to put up some good numbers.

Donats Motiejunas: I don't think he'll get enough minutes to be a real force, but he's definitely worth the value in the 250s. He's going to have some great games while the Rockets figure out how to use Asik and Howard together. Asik really isn't a scorer, so he can't play PF, and though Greg Smith may start, Motiejunas is just as good as he is.

Guys that I have to admit I don't like:
David Lee: He's a name guy who you think is great, but when you look at his numbers, he's not that great. Sure, he'll double double in points and boards, but no blocks. His %s are good, but I think you could have gotten guys who would fill the stat sheet better at 44.
Amare: I think he's done. Even if he's not done, he's another guy that doesn't do much more than score.
Boris Diaw: He's a waste of a pick. Sure it's a pick in the 260s, but there were people with a better chance of putting up numbers than him.
Collison: You got him really late, so I shouldn't knock this pick too much. I just don't think he'll get the minutes he needs behind CP3. He was getting almost 30 min/game last year. He'll get enough to be serviceable I'm sure, but I just don't think he'll be that great. But I guess something like 8 ppg, 3ast, .5-1 steal isn't bad value for a pick at 196.

So where does that leave your team?
You're really strong in %s, especially FG%. You should also be strong in points and boards. TOs shouldn't be too bad either. As for Assists, steals, 3s, and blocks, I'd say you're probably average.
You're a playoff team if everyone plays. You're bottom of the heap if DNPs and playing time limits add up like they most likely will. In fact, you could be that team that everyone looks at and says, wow, that's a great roster on paper. Why isn't he doing better than that?
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Re: FFL - 2013-14 - Draft in progress 

Post#1000 » by jfrost » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:03 pm

Hopper15 wrote:Yikes. I was hoping for some more C eligibility. The crappy Slowpez twin is my only C.


We should deal... I have 5 C's on my roster.

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