Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread

[bballsparkin]

What are the odds Lowry and Gay stay in Milwaukee? I think the Bucks pass. They seem to like Ilyasova and he's signed in for a few years on a decent deal.

[sweetcity]

the most viable team to make a trade with is Detroit, hands down.

1) Rudy Gay is good friends with Josh Smith, DeMar is buddies with Jennings
2) Although Greg Monroe is a great player, he doesnt fit in the offense anymore if Smith moves to the 4, which he kind of has to play.
3) Detroit has 2 massive expiring contracts in CV and Stuckey.

I'd like to see us unload all our assets in one deal that guts our roster, ensures a high pick, and lands us a star to pair with that pick.

Toronto In - Damian Lillard, Freeland, Claver, CV, Stuckey, Jerebko
Toronto Out - Demar DeRozan + Rudy Gay + Kyle Lowry

Portland In - Greg Monroe + Kyle Lowry
Portland Out - Damian Lillard + Claver + Freeland

Detroit In - Rudy Gay + DeMar DeRozan
Detroit Out - Greg Monroe + CV + Stuckey

in this scenario both Portland and Detroit get a lot better. We get a lot worse for a short period of time to land a pick, and we get a star in Lillard

Lillard
Ross
Parker / Wiggins / Exum
Amir
JV

3 future all stars in the starting lineup

[BO55]

the most viable team to make a trade with is Detroit, hands down.

1) Rudy Gay is good friends with Josh Smith, DeMar is buddies with Jennings
2) Although Greg Monroe is a great player, he doesnt fit in the offense anymore if Smith moves to the 4, which he kind of has to play.
3) Detroit has 2 massive expiring contracts in CV and Stuckey.

I'd like to see us unload all our assets in one deal that guts our roster, ensures a high pick, and lands us a star to pair with that pick.

Toronto In - Damian Lillard, Freeland, Claver, CV, Stuckey, Jerebko
Toronto Out - Demar DeRozan + Rudy Gay + Kyle Lowry

Portland In - Greg Monroe + Kyle Lowry
Portland Out - Damian Lillard + Claver + Freeland

Detroit In - Rudy Gay + DeMar DeRozan
Detroit Out - Greg Monroe + CV + Stuckey

in this scenario both Portland and Detroit get a lot better. We get a lot worse for a short period of time to land a pick, and we get a star in Lillard

Lillard
Ross
Parker / Wiggins / Exum
Amir
JV

3 future all stars in the starting lineup

Gotta be an ass to you man but... stop smokin on the pipe. Lilliard ain't going nowhere and especially not for Lowry and Monroe. We talkin' about a Westbrook-esque talent type of player. He on another level and still developing.

[Ice102]

I was thinking about the kind of team I'd want the Raptors to be (tough down low in the post, strong defensively, uptempo offensively) and the assets I'd like moving forward (JoVa, Acy, Amir), and it's become obvious that there's a lot of deals to be made.

Trade 1:

Rudy Gay, Terrance Ross, DeMar DeRozan for
Greg Monroe, Stuckey and Villanueva expirings, Jerebko, Bynum

Say what you want about Monroe, but he's got almost a PER of 20.00, is a skilled big that compliments the more tough JoVa, rebounds at a high rate, and is only 23. DET does this to upgrade their wing rotation and roll with a core of Jennings, DeRozan, KCP, Gay, Smith and Drummond.

Trade 2:

Lowry to OKC for
Jeremy Lamb, Fisher and Thabeet (both for salary matching reasons)

OKC could use more talent, especially an expiring that they can potentially dangle for a big man come trade deadline. They only really give up Lamb, who's got potential - but potential doesn't win you a title before 2016, when Durant's a FA. The Raptors get a SG prospect that they can develop. The Lowry deal goes full circle...


Before draft 2013, we go into it with this 'core':

JoVa/Amir
Monroe/Acy
-
Lamb
-

With the lack of a point guard and talent to young and inexperienced to really compete, we get a top 5 pick. For argument's sake, lets say the third pick.

The Raptors select...

Julius Randle

We sign Stan Van Gundy for big money - thank you MLSE. We then go into free agency and follow it up with a 4 year/$32-36 mill. deal for Lowry to return. We then sign Kwame Brown and Kirk Hinrich to small contracts. Make a small trade of Hansbrough for Anthony Morrow.

New depth chart for 2014/2015 season:

JoVa/Amir/Brown
Monroe/Acy
Randle/Fields/Novak
Lamb/Morrow
Lowry/Buycks

Work our offense around Randle, Monroe and JoVa with Lowry and Lamb (and Novak and Morrow off the bench) on the perimeter, ready to drain those open threes.

It's a start. But I like it to start...

-Ice

[sweetcity]

the most viable team to make a trade with is Detroit, hands down.

1) Rudy Gay is good friends with Josh Smith, DeMar is buddies with Jennings
2) Although Greg Monroe is a great player, he doesnt fit in the offense anymore if Smith moves to the 4, which he kind of has to play.
3) Detroit has 2 massive expiring contracts in CV and Stuckey.

I'd like to see us unload all our assets in one deal that guts our roster, ensures a high pick, and lands us a star to pair with that pick.

Toronto In - Damian Lillard, Freeland, Claver, CV, Stuckey, Jerebko
Toronto Out - Demar DeRozan + Rudy Gay + Kyle Lowry

Portland In - Greg Monroe + Kyle Lowry
Portland Out - Damian Lillard + Claver + Freeland

Detroit In - Rudy Gay + DeMar DeRozan
Detroit Out - Greg Monroe + CV + Stuckey

in this scenario both Portland and Detroit get a lot better. We get a lot worse for a short period of time to land a pick, and we get a star in Lillard

Lillard
Ross
Parker / Wiggins / Exum
Amir
JV

3 future all stars in the starting lineup

Gotta be an ass to you man but... stop smokin on the pipe. Lilliard ain't going nowhere and especially not for Lowry and Monroe. We talkin' about a Westbrook-esque talent type of player. He on another level and still developing.

Maybe you should start smoking, what your writing is just stupid. Westbrook and Lillard aren't on the same level. Westbrook = US Olympic team. Lillard = borderline all star.

[sweetcity]

I was thinking about the kind of team I'd want the Raptors to be (tough down low in the post, strong defensively, uptempo offensively) and the assets I'd like moving forward (JoVa, Acy, Amir), and it's become obvious that there's a lot of deals to be made.

Trade 1:

Rudy Gay, Terrance Ross, DeMar DeRozan for
Greg Monroe, Stuckey and Villanueva expirings, Jerebko, Bynum

Say what you want about Monroe, but he's got almost a PER of 20.00, is a skilled big that compliments the more tough JoVa, rebounds at a high rate, and is only 23. DET does this to upgrade their wing rotation and roll with a core of Jennings, DeRozan, KCP, Gay, Smith and Drummond.

Trade 2:

Lowry to OKC for
Jeremy Lamb, Fisher and Thabeet (both for salary matching reasons)

OKC could use more talent, especially an expiring that they can potentially dangle for a big man come trade deadline. They only really give up Lamb, who's got potential - but potential doesn't win you a title before 2016, when Durant's a FA. The Raptors get a SG prospect that they can develop. The Lowry deal goes full circle...


Before draft 2013, we go into it with this 'core':

JoVa/Amir
Monroe/Acy
-
Lamb
-

With the lack of a point guard and talent to young and inexperienced to really compete, we get a top 5 pick. For argument's sake, lets say the third pick.

The Raptors select...

Julius Randle

We sign Stan Van Gundy for big money - thank you MLSE. We then go into free agency and follow it up with a 4 year/$32-36 mill. deal for Lowry to return. We then sign Kwame Brown and Kirk Hinrich to small contracts. Make a small trade of Hansbrough for Anthony Morrow.

New depth chart for 2014/2015 season:

JoVa/Amir/Brown
Monroe/Acy
Randle/Fields/Novak
Lamb/Morrow
Lowry/Buycks

Work our offense around Randle, Monroe and JoVa with Lowry and Lamb (and Novak and Morrow off the bench) on the perimeter, ready to drain those open threes.

It's a start. But I like it to start...

-Ice

I like Lamb, U Conn players typically translate over well to the NBA. I dont think Ross would even need to be included. I think one of the most interesting stories this year is going to be what happens with Dwight Buycks. Maybe he has the potential to start. He is big and plays good D, thats a start

[Ice102]

I like Lamb too. I think he's got the tools to be a special player in this league and a quality starter eventually.

I would only include Ross if absolutely needed, as I think Detroit might insist with all that salary they are taking.

Buycks has my interest and I hope he does well to earn that spot.

-Ice

[bballsparkin]

Gotta be an ass to you man but... stop smokin on the pipe. Lilliard ain't going nowhere and especially not for Lowry and Monroe. We talkin' about a Westbrook-esque talent type of player. He on another level and still developing.

Maybe you should start smoking, what your writing is just stupid. Westbrook and Lillard aren't on the same level. Westbrook = US Olympic team. Lillard = borderline all star.

You honestly think this is a good trade for Portland?

Portland In - Greg Monroe + Kyle Lowry
Portland Out - Damian Lillard + Claver + Freeland

They give up the 2012/2013 ROY on the second year of his rookie contract for the right to pay Lowry and Monroe. Not happening.

[ballislife]

the most viable team to make a trade with is Detroit, hands down.

1) Rudy Gay is good friends with Josh Smith, DeMar is buddies with Jennings
2) Although Greg Monroe is a great player, he doesnt fit in the offense anymore if Smith moves to the 4, which he kind of has to play.
3) Detroit has 2 massive expiring contracts in CV and Stuckey.

I'd like to see us unload all our assets in one deal that guts our roster, ensures a high pick, and lands us a star to pair with that pick.

Toronto In - Damian Lillard, Freeland, Claver, CV, Stuckey, Jerebko
Toronto Out - Demar DeRozan + Rudy Gay + Kyle Lowry

Portland In - Greg Monroe + Kyle Lowry
Portland Out - Damian Lillard + Claver + Freeland

Detroit In - Rudy Gay + DeMar DeRozan
Detroit Out - Greg Monroe + CV + Stuckey

in this scenario both Portland and Detroit get a lot better. We get a lot worse for a short period of time to land a pick, and we get a star in Lillard

Lillard
Ross
Parker / Wiggins / Exum
Amir
JV

3 future all stars in the starting lineup

Gotta be an ass to you man but... stop smokin on the pipe. Lilliard ain't going nowhere and especially not for Lowry and Monroe. We talkin' about a Westbrook-esque talent type of player. He on another level and still developing.

Maybe you should start smoking, what your writing is just stupid. Westbrook and Lillard aren't on the same level. Westbrook = US Olympic team. Lillard = borderline all star.

To be honest, Portland is not going to trade Lillard... his potential impact is huge, you dont give up a young guy like that, especially because Monroe and Lowry are due to make more $$ in the offseason.

I think a straight deal with Detroit of Gay/Ross for Monroe/Stuckey/CV makes sense for both teams if both struggle. A pairing of Monroe/Valanciunas can be a great compliment. Monroe has great passing ability for a big man, and JV always finds the right spots, there'd be a lot of high-low action leading to easy buckets. Monroe can also hit the mid range jumper opening up the inside for JV.

Toronto gives up Gay and Ross, but they get back a very good young big man. We'd also lose more games, giving us a good pick in the upcoming draft. I'd also expect Masai to deal Lowry for some assets. Buycks/DeRozan/Fields/Monroe/Valanciunas will lose enough games, and there's enough potential with 3/5 guys to have a legit future.

[sweetcity]

perhaps your right, wishful thinking on Lillard. Maybe Buycks is a god send and this all works out.

[Landomar]

Detroit has room for Monroe, J.Smith, and Drummond as their 3 bigs. They don't need to move one of those guys. There are 96 minutes available every night at those two positions, which means that they can all average around 32 minutes. For his career, J.Smith only averages 34 minutes a game anyway, Monroe only averages 31 minutes, and Drummond can't play the end of the 4th quarter in a close game (due to his FT issues). He's also still really young, and letting him play 30 minutes or so is just fine. As long as the coach is able to handle rotating those three at those two spots, just like vintage Bynum, P.Gasol, and Odom, then it will all work out.

[rapsanity]

Detroit has room for Monroe, J.Smith, and Drummond as their 3 bigs. They don't need to move one of those guys..

I agree. Detroit signed Smith not because they weren't high on Drummond or they wanted to move Monroe but it was because they want to test all three of them playing together.

Whether this works or not remains to be seen but as of right now especially since they JUST signed Smith, don't think they'll be moving any of them.

I'm pretty sure the rumours that were circulating over the summer about Detroit's interest in Gay was accurate. Since Masai didn't bite, they decided to sign Smith instead

[witnessraps]

whats next, we trading for the brow?

[Brettfinch]

I know this would never happen but would u swap Smith for gay and Ross? Just wondering what ppl thoughts are on j-smooth

Play him at PF tell him not to shoot threes or long twos

[The_Hater]

I know this would never happen but would u swap Smith for gay and Ross? Just wondering what ppl thoughts are on j-smooth

Play him at PF tell him not to shoot threes or long twos

Detroit just signed the guy in July, now they're going to trade him already?

On the flip side how does that work for the Raps? You trade a natural 3 for a guy that you want to play at the 4, send Amir who might be the most valuable player all-around on the team to the bench and then start who at SF? Fields? And now the bench on the wing spots consists of...Daye and Novak? Who's backing up DD?

So your goal is to tank is it?

[YoungD23]

Rudy Gay for Kevin Love. I don't know if the salaries match or not, but just a random trade idea that came to my head the other day. Makes sense for both teams(maybe more sense for us), and Love would be amazing next to Val. Then the SF hole can be plugged with a defensive minded 3 with a 3pt shot.

[Pass it]

I know this would never happen but would u swap Smith for gay and Ross? Just wondering what ppl thoughts are on j-smooth

Play him at PF tell him not to shoot threes or long twos

Detroit just signed the guy in July, now they're going to trade him already?

On the flip side how does that work for the Raps? You trade a natural 3 for a guy that you want to play at the 4, send Amir who might be the most valuable player all-around on the team to the bench and then start who at SF? Fields? And now the bench on the wing spots consists of...Daye and Novak? Who's backing up DD?

So your goal is to tank is it?

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No he was just drunk when he came up with that trade

[Brettfinch]

I know this would never happen but would u swap Smith for gay and Ross? Just wondering what ppl thoughts are on j-smooth

Play him at PF tell him not to shoot threes or long twos

Detroit just signed the guy in July, now they're going to trade him already?

On the flip side how does that work for the Raps? You trade a natural 3 for a guy that you want to play at the 4, send Amir who might be the most valuable player all-around on the team to the bench and then start who at SF? Fields? And now the bench on the wing spots consists of...Daye and Novak? Who's backing up DD?

So your goal is to tank is it?

I said I know this would never happen as in I'm basically asking if u like josh Smith or Rudy Gay for the Raptors not an actual trade because it would never happen due to the fact that he was just signed

[Brettfinch]

I know this would never happen but would u swap Smith for gay and Ross? Just wondering what ppl thoughts are on j-smooth

Play him at PF tell him not to shoot threes or long twos

Detroit just signed the guy in July, now they're going to trade him already?

On the flip side how does that work for the Raps? You trade a natural 3 for a guy that you want to play at the 4, send Amir who might be the most valuable player all-around on the team to the bench and then start who at SF? Fields? And now the bench on the wing spots consists of...Daye and Novak? Who's backing up DD?

So your goal is to tank is it?

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No he was just drunk when he came up with that trade

No it was just hypothetical just for the Smith better for the Raps than Rudy Gay.

[cammac]

Detroit has room for Monroe, J.Smith, and Drummond as their 3 bigs. They don't need to move one of those guys..

I agree. Detroit signed Smith not because they weren't high on Drummond or they wanted to move Monroe but it was because they want to test all three of them playing together.

Whether this works or not remains to be seen but as of right now especially since they JUST signed Smith, don't think they'll be moving any of them.

I'm pretty sure the rumours that were circulating over the summer about Detroit's interest in Gay was accurate. Since Masai didn't bite, they decided to sign Smith instead

Must disagree yes the minutes add up but the reality doesn't.
Dumar brought Smith in to play SF and he can't just as anyone on the Atlanta board.
So you play him 15 minutes a game at SF who plays the rest.
I also doubt Monroe ( highly over-rated ) can effectively play PF where he will be worse defensively with faster and more skilled PFs. He is basically a poor man's David Lee. Detroit will have friction with both Smith and Jennings needing touches. So Monroe touches will go from being 1st option to 3rd at best so his ppg will dimish and likely his RPG.

The reality of a Cleveland, Detroit and Toronto trade is feasible if Toronto maes a decision to tank.

Detroit moving Stuckley, Charlie V and Monroe getting Gay
Cleveland moving TT and Karasev and Miami 2016 1st getting Ross and Monroe this woould be likely with a injury to Varejao
Toronto moving Gay and Ross and getting T.T. , Karasev, Stuckley, Charlie V and Miami 2016 1st

Note: would do it without 1st and buy out Charlie V.