Bobcats on NBA Rank 2013-14

Post #1 » by **fatlever** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:33 pm

ESPN has started their annual ranking of NBA players. I will try to the Bobcats players rankings here (all of which will be underrated, expect Gordon who will be overrated).

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/96802 ... gs-401-500

2013 Rankings - updated as they are announced
#475 Jeff Adrien
#390 Jannero Pargo
#335 Anthony Tolliver
#334 Josh McRoberts
#315 Brendan Haywood
#268 Jeff Taylor
#236 Bismack Biyombo
#229 Ramon Sessions
#217 Ben Gordon
#166 Cody Zeller
#139 Gerald Henderson
#118 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
#80 Kemba Walker
#52 Al Jefferson

2012 Rankings
#474 Cory Higgins
#464 Matt Carroll
#440 Gana Diop
#416 Jeff Taylor
#382 Jannero Pargo
#368 Derrick Brown
#362 DJ White
#354 Jamario Moon
#317 Byron Mullens
#304 Josh McRoberts
#289 Anthony Tolliver
#283 Reggie Williams
#259 Brendan Haywood
#253 Tyrus Thomas
#222 Bismack Biyombo
#199 Kemba Walker
#184 Gerald Henderson
#154 Ben Gordon
#146 Ramon Sessions
#128 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
#44 Al Jefferson

2011 Rankings
#462 Byron Mullens
#417 Gana Diop
#387 DJ White
#382 Dominic McGuire
#379 Matt Carroll
#367 Eduardo Najera
#311 Dante Cunningham
#304 Kwame Brown
#301 Bismack Biyombo
#267 Kemba Walker
#242 Gerald Henderson
#202 Brendan Haywood
#198 Joel Pryzbilla
#177 Ramon Sessions
#162 Corey Maggette
#161 Boris Diaw
#123 Tyrus Thomas
#119 DJ Augustin
#111 Ben Gordon

(edit: will try to find more rankings of current and former Bobcats for 2012 and 2011)

Post #2 » by **fatlever** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:06 pm

quick guess for the ranking of our players this year - not where I would rank them, but where I think ESPN will rank them.

2013 Rankings Guess
#450 Jeff Adrien - don't expect much love
#375 Jannero Pargo
#350 Anthony Tolliver - also gets the "Bobcats" factor drop
#350 Brendan Haywood - should drop 100 spots from last year
#300 Jeff Taylor - gets a huge bump from last year and is still probably underrated, ESPN will have him lower than Gordon, but no sane coach or GM would rate Gordon higher than Taylor at this point.
#275 Josh McRoberts - should get a slight bump from last year
#250 Bismack Biyombo - Biz drops from last year
#225 Ben Gordon - still ranked 100 spots too high
#200 Cody Zeller
#150 Ramon Sessions
#130 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
#125 Gerald Henderson - also should be a little higher
#90 Kemba Walker - should be higher, but I won't get my hopes up
#65 Al Jefferson - Jefferson drop 20 spots from last year due to the "Bobcats" factor and nothing else

Post #3 » by **fatlever** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:08 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/96802 ... gs-401-500

Royce White takes the last spot this year. HAHA. #bewell

Post #4 » by **fatlever** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:56 pm

1st up for the Cats, Jeff Adrien @ #475

Radu_Hornets · Post #5 » by **Radu_Hornets** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:14 pm

fatlever wrote:quick guess for the ranking of our players this year - not where I would rank them, but where I think ESPN will rank them.

2013 Rankings Guess
#450 Jeff Adrien - don't expect much love
#375 Jannero Pargo
#350 Anthony Tolliver - also gets the "Bobcats" factor drop
#350 Brendan Haywood - should drop 100 spots from last year
#300 Jeff Taylor - gets a huge bump from last year and is still probably underrated, ESPN will have him lower than Gordon, but no sane coach or GM would rate Gordon higher than Taylor at this point.
#275 Josh McRoberts - should get a slight bump from last year
#250 Bismack Biyombo - Biz drops from last year
#225 Ben Gordon - still ranked 100 spots too high
#200 Cody Zeller
#150 Ramon Sessions
#130 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
#125 Gerald Henderson - also should be a little higher
#90 Kemba Walker - should be higher, but I won't get my hopes up
#65 Al Jefferson - Jefferson drop 20 spots from last year due to the "Bobcats" factor and nothing else

I would see cody around 150 ..

Post #6 » by **JDR720** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:39 pm

My bold prediction, Charlotte has 3 players in the top 100 and 2 of them are in top 80 , Kemba, Al top 80 and Gerald #100

Joest2003 · Post #7 » by **Joest2003** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:44 pm

Kemba was 21st in scoring last season, around 20th in Player efficiency rating and 5th in steals, call me crazy but id call him a top 50 player at worst.

HornetJail · Post #8 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:05 pm

2013 Rankings Guess
#475 Jeff Adrien - yeah, i expected that

#440 Anthony Tolliver - just isn't very good, expect a drop for playing for the Cats
#335 Jannero Pargo - he shoots 3s well
#300 Brendan Haywood - will drop quite a bit
#265 Ben Gordon - will still be ranked about 400 spots too high
#260 Jeff Taylor - won't get the love he deserves, but considering he didn't have an eventful rookie year
#235 Josh McRoberts - like Taylor, won't get the love he deserves
#230 Bismack Biyombo - odds that the word "bust" will wrongfully appear in Biz's description when they get there?
#220 Cody Zeller - I'll never understand why people hate on Zeller, but ESPN will
#155 Ramon Sessions - starting caliber PG of the bench, but coming off the bench for us does his rank no favors
#150 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - i don't know whether they'll under or overrate him
#95 Gerald Henderson - he turned heads last year and it should reflect that
#60 Kemba Walker - should be higher, but you know...
#55 Al Jefferson - there will be a 30 point difference between Jefferson and Brook Lopez. yeah

MPM · Post #9 » by **MPM** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:25 pm

SI is running their competing top 100. No Bobcats in the 51-100 range, but Hendo is mentioned in the 25 who just missed the cut. Assuming this means Big Al is top 50. Would be shocked if Kemba is top 50, but strange that Hendo would get the mention and not him.

Post #10 » by **fatlever** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:31 pm

over/under on the difference between kemba and lillard? my guess is that lillard is wrongfully ranked 30 spots higher than kemba.

over/under on the difference between mkg and barnes? again, i will guess that barnes is wrongfully ranked 30 spots higher than mkg.

#bobcatsbias

HornetJail · Post #11 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:33 pm

Joest2003 wrote:Kemba was 21st in scoring last season, around 20th in Player efficiency rating and 5th in steals, call me crazy but id call him a top 50 player at worst.

If he isn't, he's very close. He's in the top 10-14 (at absolute worst) at the most loaded position in the NBA.

Post #12 » by **JDR720** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:39 am

fatlever wrote:over/under on the difference between kemba and lillard? my guess is that lillard is wrongfully ranked 30 spots higher than kemba.

over/under on the difference between mkg and barnes? again, i will guess that barnes is wrongfully ranked 30 spots higher than mkg.

#bobcatsbias

yea that will probably be the case.....ESPN doesn't exactly do research they just look at stats

Post #13 » by **fatlever** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:22 am

here are the guys doing the rankings

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/ESP ... cast-panel

about 90% of the panel are working in LA or NYC it seems. queencityhoops the lone person who might have a positive bobcats bias.

they should just let zach lowe do them on his own.

Post #14 » by **fatlever** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:30 am

six former bobcats in the 400-500 range - diop, kwame, white, warrick, radmanovic, hollins

James Gatz · Post #15 » by **James Gatz** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:37 am

Hakim Warrick ranked over Steven Adams. Ouch.

MPM · Post #16 » by **MPM** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:58 am

fatlever wrote: they should just let zach lowe do them on his own.

Amen. In other news, Bobcats super fan Ben Golliver at the helm of SI's rankings.

Joest2003 · Post #17 » by **Joest2003** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:53 pm

It personally makes me sick how overrated Lillard is and how underrated Kemba is.

Post #18 » by **fatlever** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:22 pm

anyone got a link to the SI rankings?

Snidely FC · Post #19 » by **Snidely FC** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:26 pm

http://nba.si.com/2013/09/12/top-100-pl ... =nba_t2_a1

LamarMatic7 · Post #20 » by **LamarMatic7** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:03 pm

James Gatz wrote:Hakim Warrick ranked over Steven Adams. Ouch.

If Simmons was a part of this board, he'd go on a rant quoting you that OKC traded Harden for one season of Kevin Martin, the D-Leaguer Jeremy Lamb and Steven Adams who can't even beat Hakim Warrick in the ESPN rankings.