Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread

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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#441 » by JV4MVP » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:42 pm

MilesTeg wrote:Well, wouldn't a deeper team do worse in an elimination game? The starters will play more, and they won't be able to feast on bad bench players.


This is true. But the pros for a deep team are: 1) after so many games and having their minutes managed LTU's players may be less fatigued, 2) if a key player(s) fails to get going you have a bench full of Euroleaguers to fill the void, 3) tougher for Italy to plan a defensive gameplan/matchups against so many weapons.

No love for Ajinca?


As a Ajinca hater I'm on the opposite spectrum. He has improved significantly since his time in Toronto but he still doesn't impress me. Yea he can score but no one will be feeding him the ball in the NBA. And he's not a particularly good rebounder or defender. Then add the fact that he hasn't helped France beat any good team yet.

Compared to Valanciunas, Ajinca scores 3 more points per game, otherwise their stats are similar. But he has taken twice as many FGs as JV. In this tournament they're about the same albeit Ajinca is 4 years older. Still have Tomic as my #3. He's a good rebounder and most polished C around the basket. And Bourousis didn't even always play crunch time minutes for Greece (and averaging 5 rbs per game isn't good enough).

With all that said, there's an article that the Thunder & Jazz are interested in him:

This leaves only 16 days to NBA franchises to sign but the possibility exists and is increasing as the player string of good performances (10.7 points, 6.9 rebounds in 19 minutes) at the European Championships. According to L’Equipe, recruiters sent by Oklahoma City and Utah also take a very attentive to the performance of the pivot eye.


http://thunderousintentions.com/2013/09 ... is-ajinca/
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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#442 » by SportsGuy8 » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:52 pm

Interesting situation: arguably the 4 best teams are in the same half of the bracket (Serbia, Spain, France & Slovenia).

Yes, Croatia is playing some good basketball, but winning the group had more to do with substantial luck in games vs. Slovenia and Greece, combined with every-year situation of Spain just playing weirdly in group stages (although they're obviously not nearly as dominant this year).

I really like Lithuanian team talent-wise, but I have no idea what their coaches are doing over the past couple of years. Every time I watch them play I wonder how much talent is wasted.

Spain & France: I actually cannot totally make up my mind regarding these 2 teams. Maybe they actually have real problems, but Spain notoriously switches gears in knockout stages and maybe France is copying them this year. That or they just suck. :)

P.s.: Note that I'm only putting Slovenia in the top 4 because of the home court. The team is actually rather average without Erazem Lorbek. Udrih & Vujacic don't really matter, Lorbek does, big time.
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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#443 » by CreoleTiger » Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:32 am

SportsGuy8 wrote:Interesting situation: arguably the 4 best teams are in the same half of the bracket (Serbia, Spain, France & Slovenia).

Yes, Croatia is playing some good basketball, but winning the group had more to do with substantial luck in games vs. Slovenia and Greece, combined with every-year situation of Spain just playing weirdly in group stages (although they're obviously not nearly as dominant this year).

I really like Lithuanian team talent-wise, but I have no idea what their coaches are doing over the past couple of years. Every time I watch them play I wonder how much talent is wasted.

Spain & France: I actually cannot totally make up my mind regarding these 2 teams. Maybe they actually have real problems, but Spain notoriously switches gears in knockout stages and maybe France is copying them this year. That or they just suck. :)

P.s.: Note that I'm only putting Slovenia in the top 4 because of the home court. The team is actually rather average without Erazem Lorbek. Udrih & Vujacic don't really matter, Lorbek does, big time.



Was beginning to think I was the only one seeing through the Croatia hype. Amazing streak they've put together, considering how awful they looked against Spain, but I think they're luck runs out either tomorrow or in the semis.
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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#444 » by suckfish » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:40 pm

Wow. Espana flicking the switch. Rubio picking pockets and threading needles. Serbia are in turn over city.
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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#445 » by JV4MVP » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:53 pm

suckfish wrote:Wow. Espana flicking the switch. Rubio picking pockets and threading needles. Serbia are in turn over city.


They lost intentionally against Italy so this isn't suprising. Hopefully Serbia gets lucky and stays close. Anything can happen then.

Rudy Fernandez with 13 pts in the first quarter. I freaking hate that guy.

Nedovic is getting abused by Rodriguez. 17-43 Spain now.
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Post#446 » by Apollo64 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:07 pm

Spain is destroying Serbia and it's not an exaggeration.
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Post#447 » by suckfish » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:14 pm

Spanish Chocolate needs to get himself back to the league.
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Post#448 » by Rasho Brezec » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:22 pm

Experience matters. These 20-year old Serbs are so scared.
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Post#449 » by Goon » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:46 pm

Spain 69 : 29 Serbia, with 3 mins left in 3/4. Serbs are geting demolished!
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Post#450 » by JV4MVP » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:01 pm

mixerball wrote:i think serbia is a great matchup for spain

two great centers, bunch of good guards on both sides, but nobody can contain bjelica. Plus legendary serbian coach.

51% for serbia :)


This

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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#451 » by cloudXXI » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:14 pm

JV4MVP wrote:
suckfish wrote:Wow. Espana flicking the switch. Rubio picking pockets and threading needles. Serbia are in turn over city.


They lost intentionally against Italy so this isn't suprising. Hopefully Serbia gets lucky and stays close. Anything can happen then.

Rudy Fernandez with 13 pts in the first quarter. I freaking hate that guy.

Nedovic is getting abused by Rodriguez. 17-43 Spain now.


Intentionally? Losing sent Spain to the most difficult road to the final. Also, without and day for resting....And you lose in the overtime, right?
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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#452 » by JustOneFix » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:18 pm

Even in a blow out game, Ricky Rubio's still a notorius garbage.
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Post#453 » by aroba » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:19 pm

Yeah, losing vs Italy to get a worst scenario is pretty stupid :lol:

No, Spain has won 6 games by a wide margin and lost 3 games that were just winning by +10 points in the 4th quarter.
it just happens again and again like at the olympics. They are beatable because of lack of focus during games they are winning.
Every lost game of Spain is been a comeback for the oher team. That should say something.

Anyway, when Spain is focused for most of the game....Game Over
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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#454 » by aroba » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:20 pm

TheGreatSatan wrote:Even in a blow out game, Ricky Rubio's still a notorius garbage.


5pts 6 rebs 6 asts 4 stls in 20 minutes....that's a triple double with more minutes dude
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Post#455 » by JV4MVP » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:22 pm

cloudXXI wrote:Intentionally? Losing sent Spain to the most difficult road to the final. Also, without and day for resting....And you lose in the overtime, right?


Yea intentionally. Did you watch the game with 5 minutes to go when Spain allowed an 11-0 run, made stupid fouls, missed FTs and didn't play any defense? Rodriguez moved his hand so Datome could shoot an easy shoot at the end of regular time. And in OT they weren't even trying to score aggressively when down 5.

LTU was a tougher matchup because of their experience and interior strength. Also, playing on Thurs is a disadvantage because you have less rest for the semifinal game against a better opponent. And had they won against LTU, assumingly Croatia would be just the same as France/Slovenia.

Spain beat Croatia pretty good but it was one game. And Croatia beat Slovenia, Greece & Italy, ALL teams that beat Spain.
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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#456 » by mixerball » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:30 pm

JV4MVP wrote:
mixerball wrote:i think serbia is a great matchup for spain

two great centers, bunch of good guards on both sides, but nobody can contain bjelica. Plus legendary serbian coach.

51% for serbia :)


This

Just busting your basketballs :wink:

someone needs to report spain to authorities

rape has been commited and we got video proof.

that was nasty. hard to watch. 1st qfinal ruined.
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Post#457 » by JV4MVP » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:34 pm

mixerball wrote:someone needs to report spain to authorities

rape has been commited and we got video proof.

that was nasty. hard to watch. 1st qfinal ruined.


Yea, embarrassing loss. I wrote this before, Serbia relies on Krstic. If he plays well, they win. Otherwise they just don't have any weapons out there.

And Krstic scored 4 pts today :o , going 1/4 on FGs. Amazing how they shut him down in the 1st half. And then the Serbian coach basically rested his starters in the 2nd half.
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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#458 » by mixerball » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:42 pm

i was more surprised about disapearing of bjelica
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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#459 » by cloudXXI » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:44 pm

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cloudXXI wrote:Intentionally? Losing sent Spain to the most difficult road to the final. Also, without and day for resting....And you lose in the overtime, right?


Yea intentionally. Did you watch the game with 5 minutes to go when Spain allowed an 11-0 run, made stupid fouls, missed FTs and didn't play any defense? Rodriguez moved his hand so Datome could shoot an easy shoot at the end of regular time. And in OT they weren't even trying to score aggressively when down 5.

LTU was a tougher matchup because of their experience and interior strength. Also, playing on Thurs is a disadvantage because you have less rest for the semifinal game against a better opponent. And had they won against LTU, assumingly Croatia would be just the same as France/Slovenia.

Spain beat Croatia pretty good but it was one game. And Croatia beat Slovenia, Greece & Italy, ALL teams that beat Spain.


Then we lost intentionally against Greece and Eslovenia too. Poor game in the final minutes too and comebacks of the opponents.

The fact is that Spain has lost the three closed games until now. And it´s not the first time we do poorly in groups. Four years ago we were losing against GB and out of the tournament. Like this year, we qualified 4th. That year France was the unfortunately team, today it has been Serbia.

It´s not fair for Serbia and Spains should play way better in groups, but it´s nothing about choosing team. If Spain plays well, no matter what team we play. If we play badly, anyone cat beat us.
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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#460 » by whocurrz » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:54 pm

Rodriguez needs to join the Rockets. Him and Harden sharing a backcourt together with those beards would be amazing
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