Fire Rod Higgins!!!

[SWedd523]

Gerald Green is a horrible basketball player

[Snidely FC]

If you say so.

But, couldn't we still use him as an excuse to fire Higgins? Please?

[Diop]

Green has had plenty of chances in this league, its a shame as he seems to have the right physical tools. Apart from a brain that is.

[Jaruff]

If it wasn't for the son (who I initially liked but have grown tired of), we could grab Armon Johnson off waivers. Oh well.

[Diop]

I saw that. I would love to give Johnson a shot.

Not certain he is definitely an upgrade on Higgins, but I don't think Higgins is good enough for this league so who cares. Just keep rotating scrubs through until we find one we like.

[countryboi]

i always explain to people why Lil' higgins makes us a laughing stock and no one seems to care or understand

[Diop]

I forgot that Higgins has been guaranteed, I can't see us paying for another 3rd string point guard.

[Tupik]

i always explain to people why Lil' higgins makes us a laughing stock and no one seems to care or understand

I don't know why but I think it's that they don't care

[fatlever]

i thought it would be fun to put together a resume for rod higgins post playing career.

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/bio_rod_higgins.html

timeline

asst coach of warriors 1994-2000

asst general manager of wizards 2000-2004
- drafted kwame brown (1st)
- trade juwon howard (and others) for christian laettner (and others)
- drafted jared jefferies (11th)
- drafted juan dixon (17th)
- traded future 1st for brendan haywood
- traded countney alexander for future 1st (juan dixon)
- signed michael jordan
- signed larry hughes
- signed byron russell
- traded richard hamilton for jerry stackhouse
- signed bobby simmons
- signed charles oakley
- drafted jarvis hayes (10th)
- signed gilbert arenas

general manager of warriors 2004-2007
- drafted andres biedrins (11th)
- signed derek fisher
- traded nick van exel for dale davis
- traded cliff robinson for two 2nd round picks
- traded speedy claxton and dale davis for baron davis
- traded eduardo najera and a 2007 1st round pick for nikoloz tskitishvili and rodney white
- drafted ike diogu (9th)
- drafted monta ellis (40th)
- drafted patrick obryant (9th)
- traded mike dunleavy, troy murphy and ike diogu for stephen jackson and al harrington

general manager of bobcats 2007-2011
- traded #8 pick brandan wright for jason richardson
- drafted jared dudley (17th)
- hired sam vincent
- traded primoz brezec and walter herrmann for nazr mohammed
- signed earl boykins
- trade 2010 1st round pick (16th) for 2008 1st round pick (20th)
- drafted dj augustin (9th)
- drafted alexis ajnica (20th)
- hired larry brown
- signed shannon brown
- resigned emeka okafor
- traded jared dudley and jason richardson for boris diaw and raja bell
- traded matt carroll for gana diop
- traded shannon brown and adam morrison for vlad radmanovic
- drafted gerald henderson (14th)
- traded emeka okafor for tyson chandler
- signed flip murry
- traded raja bell and vlad radmanovic for stephen jackson
- traded future 1st round pick for tyrus thomas
- traded tyson chandler for erick dampier
- signed shaun livingston
- signed kwame brown
- fired larry brown
- hired paul silas
- traded gerald wallace for two future 1st round picks
- hired rich cho

president of basketball operations of bobcats 2011-present


i didnt bother to list the transactions since rich cho was hired since it is (and we pray) believed that rich cho is running the show, not higgins, although, higgins still has his messy handprints on the team from time to time.

i tried to remove all the noise, such as 2nd round picks and 10 day contracts and meaningless trades and signings.

i knew his track record was bad, but until i listed it all out, i really didnt realize just how bad it was.

here are his first round draft picks again + monta ellis
- kwame brown (1st)
- jared jefferies (11th)
- juan dixon (17th)
- jarvis hayes (10th)
- andres biedrins (11th)
- ike diogu (9th)
- monta ellis (40th)
- patrick obryant (9th)
- jared dudley (17th)
- dj augustin (9th)
- alexis ajinca (20th)
- gerald henderson (14th)

how is it possible to blow that many first round picks and still have a job? he had 11 first round picks and 8 lottery picks and not a single all-star among them. his best pick ever was monta ellis in the 2nd round.

his claim to fame as a general manager is bringing together baron davis, stephen jackson, and al harrington and turning them into an 8th seed that pulled an amazing upset. his second best claim to fame as a general manager was building a capped out 7th seed team that was swept out of the playoffs and blown up a year later with consequences on the cap that lasted 3 years and caused the team to bottom into the worst team in NBA history.

in his 10+ years in the front office his teams have made the playoffs a total of 2 times and only twice have had winning records.

[LamarMatic7]

so basically if Indy never has to blow that Malice in the Palace team up and deal the players for 50 cents on the dollar, Higgins's best moment as a GM would be getting a draft pick right this one time (Monta Ellis).

[Snidely FC]

asst general manager of wizards 2000-2004
- signed michael jordan

Just another reason Why he hasn't been fired yet.

[fatlever]

so basically if Indy never has to blow that Malice in the Palace team up and deal the players for 50 cents on the dollar, Higgins's best moment as a GM would be getting a draft pick right this one time (Monta Ellis).

i guess you could give him credit for having the balls to trade for a fat, injured, unhappy, overpaid baron davis. i guess in the end, that deal was a plus for the warriors, even though baron really was only worth is contract that one year.

he stole gilbert arenas away from the wizards, while he was an asst with wiz, which at the time was a great move, but had more to do with the warriors owner completely botching negotiations than anything.

in a vacuum i like the trades of richardson and dudley for diaw and bell, okafor for chandler, and bell for jackson. it was all the other deals we made during that stretch that killed us. of course the okafor deal wouldnt have been necessary if higgins didnt give okafor that ridiculous contract extension, so.... and he completely negated the chandler trade by trading him a year later for nothing. and of course, we would have never had richardson if he didnt make that idiotic trade to acquire richardson to begin with.

i refuse to blame him for the kwame pick. i have spent years trying to educate youngsters and those who like to rewrite history that kwame, at the time, wasnt a bad pick. it was how the organization handled kwame that was a disaster. that draft was awful and the top players in that draft were either bigger gambles than kwame (curry and chandler), guys with limited upside (battier, richardson), complete unknowns who came out of nowhere two weeks before the draft (gasol) and knuckleheads (griffin).

however, i also refuse to give him much credit for selecting ellis. i mean, how much praise does higgins get that many teams passing on ellis, who was a fairly highly regarding player that draft, but blew it during workouts and pre-draft camp. seems like he kinda fell ass backwards into that one.

[HornetJail]

here are his first round draft picks again + monta ellis
- kwame brown (1st)
- jared jefferies (11th)
- juan dixon (17th)
- jarvis hayes (10th)
- andres biedrins (11th)
- ike diogu (9th)
- monta ellis (40th)
- patrick obryant (9th)
- jared dudley (17th)
- dj augustin (9th)
- alexis ajinca (20th)
- gerald henderson (14th)

God...

Damn...



That is absolutely brutal. Ellis, Henderson, Dudley, and Jeffries are the only non-busts and the first three are the only three Higgins draftees from 2001-2009 that aren't currently floundering to stay in the league, or out of it altogether. How do you **** up THAT many times? You can literally blindly pick names out of a hat and select better than this. Let's break down this list:

Kwame over Pau, TC and countless others

Jeffries was a good pick, Dixon was an okay pick considering the disgusting nature of that draft outside the top 10, but Carlos Boozer and Matt Barnes lasted till the 2nd round, and Prince in late 1st

Jarvis Hayes was kind of a bust, David West was drafted later, can't argue too much though, that draft fell off badly outside the top 7.

Biedrins over Al Jeff, Josh Smith, JR Smith, Kevin Martin, Jameer Nelson, etc. Biedrins is flat out awful

Diogu over Bynum, Granger, etc

Ellis is the sole diamond in the rough.

O'bryant was utter garbage but there wasn't too much else in that draft, still passed on Rondo, Lowry, Redick, Sefolosha

Dudley was a good pick at 22 in 2007, but Higgins gave up on him too soon.

Augustin was a bad pick and Ajinca was even worse - pretty much the entire rest of the 1st round would have been better. Out of the ENTIRE 1st round in 08, the only players that aren't respectable role players (most are actually starter/6th man caliber) were Joe Alexander (8), DJ AUGUSTIN (9), AJINCA (20), and the final four picks of the round (Arthur, Greene, DJ White, and JR Gibbens). The next worst players drafted would be Courtney Lee, Anthony Randolph, or Jerryd Bayless. We burned not one, but TWO 1st round picks in possibly one of the most starting-caliber-player-rich draft in recent memory. This is the draft I am most pissed about- out of the top 26 picks, there were just three players that aren't even worthy of 15 minutes a night, and we drafted two of them with our two picks.

Henderson was a solid pick, and at least Higgins' last draft calling the shots was a good one.

[HornetJail]

This is the 2008 1st round. It is IMPOSSIBLE to **** up as badly as we did.



Round Pick Player Position Nationality Team School/club team
1 1 Derrick Rose* PG United States Chicago Bulls Memphis (Fr.)
1 2 Michael Beasley SF United States Miami Heat Kansas State (Fr.)
1 3 O. J. Mayo SG United States Minnesota Timberwolves (traded to Memphis)[a] USC (Fr.)
1 4 Russell Westbrook* PG United States Seattle SuperSonicsa[›] UCLA (So.)
1 5 Kevin Love* PF United States Memphis Grizzlies (traded to Minnesota)[a] UCLA (Fr.)
1 6 Danilo Gallinari SF Italy New York Knicks Olimpia Milano (Italy) 1988
1 7 Eric Gordon SG United States Los Angeles Clippers Indiana (Fr.)
1 8 Joe Alexander SF United States Milwaukee Bucks West Virginia (Jr.)
1 9 D. J. Augustin PG United States Charlotte Bobcats Texas (So.)
1 10 Brook Lopez+ C United States New Jersey Nets Stanford (So.)
1 11 Jerryd Bayless PG United States Indiana Pacers (traded to Portland)[b ] Arizona (Fr.)
1 12 Jason Thompson PF United States Sacramento Kings Rider (Sr.)
1 13 Brandon Rush SG United States Portland Trail Blazers (traded to Indiana)[ b] Kansas (Jr.)
1 14 Anthony Randolph PF United Statesb[›] Golden State Warriors LSU (Fr.)
1 15 Robin Lopez C United States Phoenix Suns (from Atlanta)[n] Stanford (So.)
1 16 Marreese Speights PF United States Philadelphia 76ers Florida (So.)
1 17 Roy Hibbert+ C United Statesc[›] Toronto Raptors (traded to Indiana)[c] Georgetown (Sr.)
1 18 JaVale McGee C United States Washington Wizards Nevada (So.)
1 19 J. J. Hickson PF United States Cleveland Cavaliers NC State (Fr.)
1 20 Alexis Ajinça C France Charlotte Bobcats (from Denver)[o] Hyères-Toulon (France) 1988
1 21 Ryan Anderson PF United States New Jersey Nets (from Dallas)[p] California (So.)
1 22 Courtney Lee SG United States Orlando Magic Western Kentucky (Sr.)
1 23 Kosta Koufos C Greeced[›] Utah Jazz Ohio State (Fr.)
1 24 Serge Ibaka PF Congoe[›] Seattle SuperSonicsa[›] (from Phoenix)[q] L'Hospitalet (Spain) 1989
1 25 Nicolas Batum SF France Houston Rockets (traded to Portland)[d] Le Mans (France) 1988
1 26 George Hill PG United States San Antonio Spurs IUPUI (Jr.)
1 27 Darrell Arthur PF United States New Orleans Hornets (traded to Memphis via Portland)[d][e] Kansas (So.)
1 28 Donté Greene SF United Statese[›] Memphis Grizzlies (from LA Lakers[r], traded to Houston)[d] Syracuse (Fr.)
1 29 D. J. White PF United States Detroit Pistons (traded to Seattle)a[›][f] Indiana (Sr.)
1 30 J. R. Giddens SG United States Boston Celtics New Mexico (Sr.)

[Durins Baynes]

Yup. Higgins was a bad drafter. Not Jim Paxson bad, but bad. That doesn't make Cho good though. I like exactly 1 out of his 4 lotto picks in the last 3 years, despite wanting good things to happen to Charlotte I can't justify his talent evaluation skills.

[LamarMatic7]

so basically if Indy never has to blow that Malice in the Palace team up and deal the players for 50 cents on the dollar, Higgins's best moment as a GM would be getting a draft pick right this one time (Monta Ellis).

however, i also refuse to give him much credit for selecting ellis. i mean, how much praise does higgins get that many teams passing on ellis, who was a fairly highly regarding player that draft, but blew it during workouts and pre-draft camp. seems like he kinda fell ass backwards into that one.

hey, I'm with you on this one as the chairman of the "Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to NBA Centers". Sachmo is also a part of the organization.

[LamarMatic7]

Kwame Brown and Shawn Bradley are the two I have to defend the most, I think. So I completely agree with you on Kwame. Doug Collins as a head coach and Michael Jordan as a team-mate is absolutely the worst duo you can have as a number one draft pick straight out of high school with lack of confidence.

Ask any Bobcats or Warriors (even if his stretch there was short due to that freak lockout chest muscle injury) fan, they'll say he's a great center to have on your team for 20 minutes a game. Dude plays hard, gets rebounds and defends the post. He should have never been the first pick. Make him attend a college for two years, be drafted with the 10th pick or something in the loaded 2003 draft and he'd be a well established 10pts/7rebs guy for his whole career.

[Liver_Pooty]

Lol looking back at the '08 draft and all the solid platers that were picked in the 15-30 range we just HAD to get Ajinca. Makes me so sick all I can do is laugh.

[LamarMatic7]

Lol looking back at the '08 draft and all the solid platers that were picked in the 15-30 range we just HAD to get Ajinca. Makes me so sick all I can do is laugh.

it gets even better when the only other player to play for us from the 15-30 range is D.J. White.

[MPM]

The Brown Frown hung heavily over the '08 draft. Imagine walking away with the FO's #1 pick Brook Lopez and someone like Ibaka. We would be having completely different conversations. And, oh yeah, fire Rod Higgins.