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Post#141 » by JimmyTheKid » Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:08 pm

Newz wrote:I will also say that Aaron Rodgers is kind of becoming the LeBron James of the NFL. It's rather obvious that if you consider the last 2-3 years he is the best player in the league... and people just come up with the stupidest reasons to hate him, to try to say he isn't good or to downplay how great he is. The reasons are a little different, but the "logic" behind them is just as stupid.


Been saying it The Decision. Very, very similar. The blind hatred towards Rodgers and Lebron. The excuse making for all of their early success. The "stat padding" "empty stats" "not clutch" "doesn't have the make up of a champion" crap. And finally the backtracking. "I never said Rodgers/Lebron wasn't great..."

Its been a full circle of comedy.

That Favre slurper/Favre is a diva 50/50 split shed a whole new light on Packers fans. I used to think we were the best in all of sports. Rodgers was booed in Training Camp before ever taking a starting snap. Then took most of the blame for 6-10 from still angry Packers fans. It was a joke. Again, I knew multiple people who bought Minnesota Vikings #4 jerseys and said they'd "be back when Ted Thompson was gone." Embarrassing.
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Post#142 » by eagle13 » Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:34 pm

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ReasonablySober wrote:I think it's even more important to get a better interior pass rush. I was hoping [am hoping)] Jones would [will] be that guy.


I never hope for too much out of rookies along either the O or D line. I expect Jones to become a player in year two or three... but he'll probably just be a guy this year.

From TC & PS I thot Raji & Daniels were getting good inside pressure with Neal & Jones helping. I think we have the personnel on the DL but we've focused on the run very heavily,

As for OLB I thot Neal was bringin it but he hasn't gotten home yet.

Again I think we have the personnel but our scheme is very run oriented AND as stated we miss Burnet & Hayward.
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Post#143 » by th87 » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:24 pm

humanrefutation wrote:I don't even think it's that complicated. I think it's just that people are looking for an angle. Rodgers has been a very clean cut and quiet star, who outside of a couple commercials, doesn't seem to ruffle any feathers or say anything extraordinary in his press conferences. He's managed his image pretty impeccably, leaving folks to only write articles or talk about how great he is. That gets boring and repetitive. Thus, when someone finds an angle, it becomes easy for pundits to talk about it's new and interesting and debatable. That's why the stuff out of Jennings and Driver got picked up so quickly. It was new and different.


Pretty much - it's just a way to make money, and controversy does just that. If you have a popular sports figure and say something negative about him, that will bring in waves of his supporters and his detractors. This generates hits, viewers, ratings, and revenue. ESPN happens to be all about this (more than most), as they manufacture storylines, heroes, and highly generalized opinions for the average sports fan.
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Post#144 » by th87 » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:27 pm

That said though - this "statistic" does seem to show that if you get the Packers in a close game, you have a good chance of winning. You would think that a W-L record in that situation would move towards .500 (as it's primarily luck based), but the Packers seem to be an outlier there. That's really strange, and I wonder why.
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Post#145 » by rilamann » Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:53 am

th87 wrote:That said though - this "statistic" does seem to show that if you get the Packers in a close game, you have a good chance of winning. .


That and if they get punched in the mouth by good physical teams they fold up like they did in their last 2 playoff losses.You can throw that 38-10 loss to the Giants in there as well.

That bothers me more than the close game thing because the Packers aren't involved in a ton of close games or at least not involved in games in which they are trailing late.But we could go 15-1 and all it would take is to run into 1 physical team in the playoffs for the Packers to fold like a card house...oh wait.

This team almost has the classic bully mentality,they talk big and try to intimidate and it works most of the time because the Packers have a great QB and pretty good overall team but when a team stands up to them, gets physical and punches them in the mouth you see their true colors.I think that same mentality is what hurts them in the close games as well.

This team seems full of themselves and they seem to have a sense that are entitled to win and when things don't work the way they expect and a team doesn't lay down for them they don't know how to react.

The Packers in Super Bowl 32 are a microcosm for this current team's mentality going into every game they play.
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Post#146 » by rilamann » Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:09 am

eagle13 wrote:Gil Brandt is a douche - says in JS blog article he wouldn't be surprised if Pack missed playoffs & that M3 & Rodgers spat combined with Greg Jennings remarks indivates there's something there.

I repeat Gil Brandt is a douche.

Only way Pack misses playoffs is a pile more injuries - especially to Matthews, Raji, Shields, Cobb, Nelson, Finley and of course Rodgers.


I don't agree with Brandt's reasoning but to say this Packer team could miss the playoff is not a stretch.

I'm still sticking with my 10-6 prediction I made before the season began but if this Packer team goes 8-8 and misses the playoffs even with relative good health I wouldn't be shocked at all.

Not because of the spat between Rodgers and MM or anything like that but because this team's margin for error is not that great because they are not that great of a team combined with a tough schedule.The line between this team going 10-6 or 8-8 and missing the playoffs is a very fine one IMO.
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Post#147 » by whatthe_buck!? » Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:55 am

Do u know any other euphemisms besides "punched in the mouth"? Have u been punched in the mouth so many times that u are unable to conjur any other completely meaningless cliches besides that one? It's pointless to try to dissuade u of ur convictions of the glass ceiling u believe the packers are currently operating under, i mean u and I both know well that if the packers put together a little winning streak and end up in the playoffs u will disappear until the packers either lose in the playoffs (to complain) or they win the owl (at which time u will be so happy that u won't care about taking a little ribbing from the other posters you've been annoying endlessly for a couple years strait with ur baseless unabating negativity).

The fact is the packers are 5-2 in the playoffs over the last three years. Sometimes very good teams and players go through dips in production and just plain bad stretches. As a fan u can either accept them as normal fluctuations in productivity or u can b*tch and moan at every opportunity. Clearly the tack u have chosen is the latter. I get that u use this board as an outlet for ur negativity and frustrations when the packers aren't winning every single game but I just wish u would simply set ur expectations for ur favorite team at a more realistic level. All of us would be better off if u did that, u more than anyone...
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Post#148 » by Ayt » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:41 am

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LUKE23 wrote:Football Outsiders has us as the 9th best team (4th best in NFC) after 3 weeks. 2nd best offense, 29th best defense.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-r ... oa-ratings


Ouch.

Hopefully getting Hayward and Burnett back bumps that up.


I wonder how much of that defensive ranking is affected by the Redskins game. We were up 31-0 with 8:16 left in the 3rd. We had shut them down completely up until that point. They had two 80+ yard drives after that.

It was nearly an exhibition game after the TD that put us up 31-0. The stats after the TD that put us up 31-0 are nearly meaningless, but they do factor into the FO rankings. Hell, our offense after that point was basically also meaningless, but they also factor in.

ReasonablySober wrote:I think it's even more important to get a better interior pass rush. I was hoping [am hoping)] Jones would [will] be that guy.


We need Jones to make a leap as the year progresses, Perry to make a leap as a 2nd year player (does he finally have his wrist brace off?), Neal to get more comfortable rushing outside, and Daniels to continue to improve and get snaps as a disruptive interior rusher on clear passing downs. I had extremely high hopes for Jones before his injury. He lost a lot of valuable snaps and practice time in the PS because of his injury. He's been getting some PT as a DT in our 2-4-5 look. Hopefully as the year progresses he progresses as well and can take on a bigger role and can have a bigger impact. I think he definitely has the talent.

Getting both Hayward and Burnett back will also help because we will be much more confident in calling certain blitzes with those two back rather than their alternatives.

I think we definitely have the personnel to be very effective rushing the passer. I think the loss of both Hayward and Burnett has limited what we have been willing to call. Have we even run an ILB blitz so far this year? If we have, it has been exceedingly rare, and I think not having Hayward and Burnett has been a key to that. The middle of the field has been a weakness with both of those guys out, so we haven't been sending our ILBs on any blitzes and we haven't been doing any zone blitzes up the middle where we might drop a DT like Neal into coverage.

Getting those two back will allow us to open up the playbook a little more and come up with some different pressure schemes while also making our basic coverage schemes that much more effective.

The loss of Hayward has been big, but I think the loss of Burnett has been even bigger when it comes to what we've been willing to call.
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Post#149 » by Ayt » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:01 am

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th87 wrote:That said though - this "statistic" does seem to show that if you get the Packers in a close game, you have a good chance of winning. .


That and if they get punched in the mouth by good physical teams they fold up like they did in their last 2 playoff losses.You can throw that 38-10 loss to the Giants in there as well.

That bothers me more than the close game thing because the Packers aren't involved in a ton of close games or at least not involved in games in which they are trailing late.But we could go 15-1 and all it would take is to run into 1 physical team in the playoffs for the Packers to fold like a card house...oh wait.

This team almost has the classic bully mentality,they talk big and try to intimidate and it works most of the time because the Packers have a great QB and pretty good overall team but when a team stands up to them, gets physical and punches them in the mouth you see their true colors.I think that same mentality is what hurts them in the close games as well.

This team seems full of themselves and they seem to have a sense that are entitled to win and when things don't work the way they expect and a team doesn't lay down for them they don't know how to react.

The Packers in Super Bowl 32 are a microcosm for this current team's mentality going into every game they play.


Was the 2010 team soft? Could they take a punch in the mouth? Did you want MM fired that year during the season?
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Post#150 » by rilamann » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:20 am

I'm just telling it like it is and calling it how I see it and the homers don't like it because they think this team is above criticism,it's pretty simple.

I love the Packers and I don't think the Packers are currently a bad team by any means,like I've said I have them going 10-6 this season and making the playoffs.

But this sucking in close games and getting owned by physical teams and getting owned in the playoffs thing is getting old,especially for a team that beats their chest as much as this Packer team does.

So yes,I'm going to be objective and maybe even a little critical times.

If you don't like it put me on ignore and you can live in a world here on Realgm where the Packers can do no wrong and where the last two playoffs blow outs didn't actually happen.A world where stats are gospel only if they are in favor of the Packers.


BTW not sure where you get that I only post when the Packers lose,that's not true at all.I give the Packers their due when they deserve it and I'm willing to eat crow when I'm wrong.

But I guarantee that if the Packers get embarrassed in the playoffs for the 3rd consecutive season you won't be saying ''maybe Rilamann was right''.
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Post#151 » by rilamann » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:26 am

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rilamann wrote:
th87 wrote:That said though - this "statistic" does seem to show that if you get the Packers in a close game, you have a good chance of winning. .


That and if they get punched in the mouth by good physical teams they fold up like they did in their last 2 playoff losses.You can throw that 38-10 loss to the Giants in there as well.

That bothers me more than the close game thing because the Packers aren't involved in a ton of close games or at least not involved in games in which they are trailing late.But we could go 15-1 and all it would take is to run into 1 physical team in the playoffs for the Packers to fold like a card house...oh wait.

This team almost has the classic bully mentality,they talk big and try to intimidate and it works most of the time because the Packers have a great QB and pretty good overall team but when a team stands up to them, gets physical and punches them in the mouth you see their true colors.I think that same mentality is what hurts them in the close games as well.

This team seems full of themselves and they seem to have a sense that are entitled to win and when things don't work the way they expect and a team doesn't lay down for them they don't know how to react.

The Packers in Super Bowl 32 are a microcosm for this current team's mentality going into every game they play.


Was the 2010 team soft? Could they take a punch in the mouth? Did you want MM fired that year during the season?


We've gone through this 100 times.

My issue back in 2010 with this team was that it was a really good team,a Super Bowl contending team that was beating itself too often and it was going to cost them a playoff berth.Which would have been a shame....obviously.

Go back and read my posts from that season.

If anything the Packers winning the Super Bowl vindicated my posts.
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Post#152 » by rilamann » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:28 am

I still ate my crow because I didn't think the Packers would overcome that issue,but obviously they did without a game to spare.
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Post#153 » by whatthe_buck!? » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:52 am

rilamann wrote:
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rilamann wrote:That and if they get punched in the mouth by good physical teams they fold up like they did in their last 2 playoff losses.You can throw that 38-10 loss to the Giants in there as well.

That bothers me more than the close game thing because the Packers aren't involved in a ton of close games or at least not involved in games in which they are trailing late.But we could go 15-1 and all it would take is to run into 1 physical team in the playoffs for the Packers to fold like a card house...oh wait.

This team almost has the classic bully mentality,they talk big and try to intimidate and it works most of the time because the Packers have a great QB and pretty good overall team but when a team stands up to them, gets physical and punches them in the mouth you see their true colors.I think that same mentality is what hurts them in the close games as well.

This team seems full of themselves and they seem to have a sense that are entitled to win and when things don't work the way they expect and a team doesn't lay down for them they don't know how to react.

The Packers in Super Bowl 32 are a microcosm for this current team's mentality going into every game they play.


Was the 2010 team soft? Could they take a punch in the mouth? Did you want MM fired that year during the season?


We've gone through this 100 times.

My issue back in 2010 with this team was that it was a really good team,a Super Bowl contending team that was beating itself too often and it was going to cost them a playoff berth.Which would have been a shame....obviously.

Go back and read my posts from that season.

If anything the Packers winning the Super Bowl vindicated my posts.

This post practically begs the following question: do you think the packers are a Super Bowl contending team like u did in 2010?
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Post#154 » by rilamann » Sat Sep 28, 2013 4:20 am

Not this season IMO,the team in 2010 was loaded and had a great mix of young guys and some very solid veterans.The defense was a lot better then,you still had a DPOY caliber Charles Woodson,Cullen Jenkins and of course the great Nick Collins.Tramon before he lost his fire.Clay had a DPOY caliber season,Raji had his best season.On offense I think we are pretty close to being the same,I think our offense this season in the 2nd half of the season could potentially be better than in 2010 due to the running game and if the O-line can gel.

Still not sold on our D this season and we're a little too young right now.We are depending on a lot of young guys.Like I said 10-6 is my expectation,and I don't expect to win the Super Bowl but go out with a fight in the playoffs this year...please.


But like I been saying since last January,the Packers are my (very) early favorite in the NFC in 2014.

We've got some pieces,give our young guys another year of seasoning,another solid draft and hopefully (not holding my breath) a solid free agent addition or two and I think we could be ready to make a serious run.Just as long as we don't lose too many of our own guys in free agency.
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Post#155 » by El Duderino » Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:58 am

rilamann wrote:I'm just telling it like it is and calling it how I see it and the homers don't like it because they think this team is above criticism,it's pretty simple.


I don't buy that at all as to why people often disagree with your analysis. It's instead the cliche filled arguments you use to try and make your point vs using more fact/data based reasoning. For example

"This team almost has the classic bully mentality,they talk big and try to intimidate and it works most of the time"

Who exactly are all of these Packer players you claim talk big and try to intimidate opponents before any given game, as if talking would even intimidate any team ? I read the paper everyday and often listen to player interviews and rarely ever does any player talk smack before a game. They mostly say the same bland crap players on all teams say. Sounds to me something you are either simply making up or imagining.

"This team seems full of themselves and they seem to have a sense that are entitled to win."

Again, what exactly do you base this on that the team is "so full of themselves and entitled to win"? Yea, most of the players and coaches are confident guys, but name me any quality team out there who doesn't have a roster full of confident players, confident coaches, and having an overall feeling that they are good enough to win each Sunday? Come on rilamann, what do you want instead, a bunch of meek players and coaches who think they aren't good enough to beat any team?

"and when things don't work the way they expect and a team doesn't lay down for them they don't know how to react"

Holy sports cliche fest there rilamann, this has to be you just spoofing here. You can't honestly believe this stuff like Packer players expect teams they play to "just lay down for them." Every player in that locker room understands that not only do players on every team want to win badly each week, especially when two really good teams face each other or in the playoffs, they also clearly understand that the NFL is the ultimate cutthroat league. That contracts aren't guaranteed and there are lots of players on their own team, in free agency, and in each draft who are gunning for either a roster berth or to take a starting job away from someone else. This isn't just for fun Pop Warner football. So "just laying down" as you state in typical cliche speak is what would get NFL players either cut or removed from starting jobs. It gets coaches fired. Would leads to upset losses. Packer players/coaches like all other players/coaches know this well and don't expect opposing players/teams to to "just lay down for them." That's simply nonsense.

"But we could go 15-1 and all it would take is to run into 1 physical team in the playoffs for the Packers to fold like a card house"

You say that the 15-1 Packers got "punched in the mouth" because the Giants were so much more physical. Did you actually watch that game? You act like NY won because they were doing stuff like running the ball down the Packers throat. We ran for 50 more yards and averaged 6.4ypc compared to 3.5 for the Giants. Instead it was giving up a Hail Mary before halftime and three killer fumbles which were the biggest keys in losing the game. That and Eli throwing the ball all over the place to the tune of 330 yards. Nothing like SF overpowering us last year.

So there are legit reasons to have been bothered by aspects of previous Packer teams and this year's team. People here might respect your reasons why though if your arguments contained analysis beyond mostly just typical football/sports cliches like the team "seems to have a sense that are entitled to win." Or "a team doesn't lay down for them". "This team almost has the classic bully mentality,they talk big and try to intimidate", among the many other cliches you regularly use with nothing at all the back it up beyond just saying so.
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Post#156 » by eagle13 » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:58 am

It's obvious we need a return man, yet it seems there isn't much activity other than trying out 2 guys - neither of which has yet signed. I wonder why we haven't tried out more guys this past week so we can sign someone Monday and give them a week to practice following the various blocking schemes. Seems pretty casual.
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Post#157 » by rilamann » Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:32 pm

You can disagree with how I make my points and state my opinions and sure maybe I am a little over critical at times,I'll admit that.

But like I been saying,like it or not there is still a lot of truth in what I am saying.

The stats and record back up the fact the Packers are not good in close games.Now I'm not one to point the finger at Rodgers on that like some people,I don't have a ton of confidence in Rodgers in close games based on track record but I look at it as more of a team/coaching thing but it is a fact.

And it's also a fact the Packers struggle against good and or physical teams as the their last playoff blowouts have shown.Sure it hasn't happened often but when 2 of those games are playoff games it's glaring.

As for the confidence thing,of course I hope and want the Packers to be confident going into a game but the Packers confidence leans more towards the cocky side and I think it hurts them.I think the Packers feel sometimes they better than they really are and then sometimes underestimate some of their opponents.

We can argue this stuff all day but whether I don't come with enough ''stats'' or my cliches annoy you,if you watch this team and have an objective mindset you know my basic points have truth in them and some of what I am saying is fact.

I'm not making up the fact the Packers struggle in close games and choke in the playoffs.Another cliche for you.

And keep in mind when I say the Packers choke in the playoffs I'm not saying that because they simply lost the game,I'm saying that because of HOW they lost.

I know we aren't going to win the Super Bowl every year but there is no excuse to get owned and embarrassed like the Packers have the past 2 seasons.

But I'm going to try to take a more positive approach the rest of the season and enjoy this season for what it is,the Packers aren't as good as they were the past 2 seasons so I am not going to hold them to that standard the rest of this season.

Go 10-6 and if you lose in the playoffs go out with a fight and I'll be happy.
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Post#158 » by El Duderino » Tue Oct 1, 2013 9:29 am

rilamann wrote:
As for the confidence thing,of course I hope and want the Packers to be confident going into a game but the Packers confidence leans more towards the cocky side and I think it hurts them.I think the Packers feel sometimes they better than they really are and then sometimes underestimate some of their opponents.


I just don't get where you see this?

Look at their record over the last three years or so in games where they were favored by say 7 points or more, the Packers rarely lose those games. So if they were overly cocky and felt better than they really are, leading to underestimating their opponents, they'd have been much more prone to ugly upsets, but that just hasn't been the case. In fact, it's instead been a strength of the team under Ted, McCarthy, and Rodgers.

Sure, it's happened a couple of times as it does all good teams, but quite rarely. Hell, look at the Packers during the Favre/Holmgren/Wolf years, they laid their share of eggs also. Even very mediocre to bad teams have a number of quality players on them and thus can pull upsets. We often see multiple upsets each week and some can be major upsets, that's just the NFL regular season. The playoffs have quite a few also as evidenced by the number of Wild Card teams to win titles lately. There hasn't been a repeat champion in 8 years and two of those teams, Steelers/Giants are sitting a 0-4 right now. It's simply hard to sustain elite play all through multiple regular seasons and the playoffs today for a variety of reasons.

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