ESPN player rankings: Nets players

therealbig3 · Post #1 » by **therealbig3** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:40 am

ESPN is doing its annual summer player rankings, counting down from 500.

#20 - Deron Williams
#28 - Brook Lopez
#41 - Kevin Garnett
#48 - Paul Pierce
#59 - Joe Johnson
#101 - Andrei Kirilenko
#137 - Andray Blatche
#177 - Jason Terry
#191 - Reggie Evans
#273 - Shaun Livingston
#293 - Alan Anderson
#318 - Mirza Teletovic
#355 - Mason Plumlee
#399 - Tyshawn Taylor
#455 - Tornike Shengelia

vincecarter4pres · Post #2 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:00 am

I'm more interested in where they rank Gerald, Bricks and Kris...

therealbig3 · Post #3 » by **therealbig3** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:14 am

#220 - Marshon Brooks

Kris Humphries and Gerald Wallace are yet to appear on the list.

What a joke. Marshon Brooks ranked over Alan Anderson and Shaun Livingston, guys who were actually able to get playing time on an NBA squad?

Humphries ranked over Reggie Evans? The guy he lost his starting spot to, because he was somehow worse defensively, and somehow wasn't any better offensively?

Wallace ranked over ANYONE? He was honestly probably the worst rotation player in the league last year.

On a related note: #307 - Keith Bogans. He should be ranked higher, certainly over Marshon and Wallace.

DrazenForThree · Post #4 » by **DrazenForThree** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:23 pm

therealbig3 wrote:ESPN is doing its annual summer player rankings, counting down from 500. They've counted down to 181 so far, and here are the Nets players that have made the list at this point. Feel free to predict where you think the rest of the roster will rank:

#191 - Reggie Evans
#273 - Shaun Livingston
#293 - Alan Anderson
#318 - Mirza Teletovic
#355 - Mason Plumlee
#399 - Tyshawn Taylor
#455 - Tornike Shengelia

That's 7 players, almost half the team. That leaves Deron Williams, Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Brook Lopez, Andrei Kirilenko, Andray Blatche, and Jason Terry still to be ranked. IMO, they'll be ranked:

Deron Williams
Kevin Garnett
Brook Lopez
Paul Pierce
Andrei Kirilenko
Joe Johnson
Andray Blatche
Jason Terry

My Guess....

Deron Williams - 18
Kevin Garnett -27
Brook Lopez - 41
Paul Pierce -29
Andrei Kirilenko - 44
Joe Johnson - 30
Andray Blatche - 59
Jason Terry - 54

DrazenForThree · Post #5 » by **DrazenForThree** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:24 pm

therealbig3 wrote:#220 - Marshon Brooks

Kris Humphries and Gerald Wallace are yet to appear on the list.

What a joke. Marshon Brooks ranked over Alan Anderson and Shaun Livingston, guys who were actually able to get playing time on an NBA squad?

Humphries ranked over Reggie Evans? The guy he lost his starting spot to, because he was somehow worse defensively, and somehow wasn't any better offensively?

Wallace ranked over ANYONE? He was honestly probably the worst rotation player in the league last year.

On a related note: #307 - Keith Bogans. He should be ranked higher, certainly over Marshon and Wallace.

Gerald wallace is significantly better then anyone ranked on our team thus far.

therealbig3 · Post #6 » by **therealbig3** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:01 pm

Gerald Wallace was not better than Evans, Humphries, Bogans, Livingston, or Anderson.

He sucked donkey dick. Anderson could actually shoot, Livingston could actually handle the ball, Bogans could actually shoot, and all of those guys could at least make layups. Wallace did nothing well last year. Couldn't stay healthy, couldn't play defense, couldn't catch, couldn't shoot, and couldn't make layups. He was one of the worst rotation players in the league last year.

DrazenForThree · Post #7 » by **DrazenForThree** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:11 pm

therealbig3 wrote:Gerald Wallace was not better than Evans, Humphries, Bogans, Livingston, or Anderson.

He sucked donkey dick. Anderson could actually shoot, Livingston could actually handle the ball, Bogans could actually shoot, and all of those guys could at least make layups. Wallace did nothing well last year. Couldn't stay healthy, couldn't play defense, couldn't catch, couldn't shoot, and couldn't make layups. He was one of the worst rotation players in the league last year.

those players you mentioned were all trash as well. Wallace is significantly better then every single one of them. He was a victem of being criminally misued. They asked a slashing cutter to sit in the corner and shoot threes. they asked an uptempo full court player to play in the leagues slowest offense. He played on the worst passing team in basketball.

Reggie evans was overhated last year, but he was still garbage as a starter and had no business playing more then 12-15 mpg. bogas was god awful, much worse then wallace. Livingston is a completely different player, and still not as good as wallace. Alan anderson is a garbage reserve chucker.

wallace is going to look 100 times better playing in a system where he actually fits. the guys you mentioned will all be relegated back to bench roles playing 5-10 minutes for the most part. anderson might lead the team in DNPs

therealbig3 · Post #8 » by **therealbig3** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:44 pm

DrazenForThree wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:Gerald Wallace was not better than Evans, Humphries, Bogans, Livingston, or Anderson.

He sucked donkey dick. Anderson could actually shoot, Livingston could actually handle the ball, Bogans could actually shoot, and all of those guys could at least make layups. Wallace did nothing well last year. Couldn't stay healthy, couldn't play defense, couldn't catch, couldn't shoot, and couldn't make layups. He was one of the worst rotation players in the league last year.

those players you mentioned were all trash as well. Wallace is significantly better then every single one of them. He was a victem of being criminally misued. They asked a slashing cutter to sit in the corner and shoot threes. they asked an uptempo full court player to play in the leagues slowest offense. He played on the worst passing team in basketball.

Reggie evans was overhated last year, but he was still garbage as a starter and had no business playing more then 12-15 mpg. bogas was god awful, much worse then wallace. Livingston is a completely different player, and still not as good as wallace. Alan anderson is a garbage reserve chucker.

wallace is going to look 100 times better playing in a system where he actually fits. the guys you mentioned will all be relegated back to bench roles playing 5-10 minutes for the most part. anderson might lead the team in DNPs

Wallace refused to cut and chose to spot up and shoot 3s. Seriously, did we watch the same team last year? How many times did Wallace have a wide open lane to the basket and chose NOT to do anything and instead just spot up and brick a 3? How about how he blatantly dogged it for most of last year? And in the fullcourt opportunities Wallace got last year, he still blew.

Wallace just sucked last year, and was not better than Anderson or Bogans or Evans or Humphries. Bogans got playing time over Wallace, and we played noticeably better with Bogans on the court, because he could actually shoot. Anderson can actually shoot. Evans and Humphries are at least rotation-caliber PFs. Wallace didn't belong in any rotation last year.

Not to mention that Wallace is someone that relies on his athleticism and heart to stay effective, and both have severely regressed.

jeff1624 · Post #9 » by **jeff1624** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:05 pm

DrazenForThree wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:ESPN is doing its annual summer player rankings, counting down from 500. They've counted down to 181 so far, and here are the Nets players that have made the list at this point. Feel free to predict where you think the rest of the roster will rank:

#191 - Reggie Evans
#273 - Shaun Livingston
#293 - Alan Anderson
#318 - Mirza Teletovic
#355 - Mason Plumlee
#399 - Tyshawn Taylor
#455 - Tornike Shengelia

That's 7 players, almost half the team. That leaves Deron Williams, Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Brook Lopez, Andrei Kirilenko, Andray Blatche, and Jason Terry still to be ranked. IMO, they'll be ranked:

Deron Williams
Kevin Garnett
Brook Lopez
Paul Pierce
Andrei Kirilenko
Joe Johnson
Andray Blatche
Jason Terry

My Guess....

Deron Williams - 18
Kevin Garnett -27
Brook Lopez - 41
Paul Pierce -29
Andrei Kirilenko - 44
Joe Johnson - 30
Andray Blatche - 59
Jason Terry - 54

Jason Terry just appeared on the list at 177.

Deron will probably in the 20's. Pierce and Garnett will be in the 20's or 30's. Brook will probably be in the top 50... though you never know with espn. Kirilenko will be in the 60's. Joe will be in the 80's. Blatche will fall out of the top 100.

vincecarter4pres · Post #10 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:09 pm

Wallace has never really been a slashing cutter in the true sense in all reality, we just hoped that's what he would be here, he was always more of an iso in the half court.

N Ireland Nets · Post #11 » by **N Ireland Nets** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:58 pm

Wallace was horrible all season. Missed open layups, struggled on the defensive end and just sucked hard. It's crazy how big an upgrade we've got in our starting five. KG & Pierce instead of Gerald and Reggie Bricks...

Paradise · Post #12 » by **Paradise** » Tue Oct 1, 2013 1:12 am

Wallace was pretty awful. I thought it was due to that rib injury he suffered against Phoenix and his complete stubbornness to not properly heal himself. There is no way he should be rated higher than Bogans who played consistent on both ends for a guy who isn't talented or athletic or Humphries who while had a down year was still fairly productive and more impactful than he was.

The fact Wallace averaged 46% from the field and 38% from 3 in the playoffs tells me, he was pretty much dogging and half assing it throughout the year. There was no huge difference between the regular season games in April to the playoff games.

In all honesty, the Nets were the most talented team he's ever played on and a playoff team out the gate, It's pretty obvious at this point he was lazy with that big fat contract and the luxury of being a 5th scoring option. All of that crap about not knowing a role to me, was just a cop out.

therealbig3 · Post #13 » by **therealbig3** » Tue Oct 1, 2013 9:00 am

Kris Humphries just made the list at #162.

Just don't understand the thought process. How does he rank over the guy that started ahead of him, especially since he was even out of the rotation for much of the season?

DrazenForThree · Post #14 » by **DrazenForThree** » Tue Oct 1, 2013 11:46 am

therealbig3 wrote:Kris Humphries just made the list at #162.

Just don't understand the thought process. How does he rank over the guy that started ahead of him, especially since he was even out of the rotation for much of the season?

because he is twice the player evans is

N Ireland Nets · Post #15 » by **N Ireland Nets** » Tue Oct 1, 2013 1:45 pm

Paradise wrote:The fact Wallace averaged 46% from the field and 38% from 3 in the playoffs tells me, he was pretty much dogging and half assing it throughout the year. There was no huge difference between the regular season games in April to the playoff games.

No that tells me two things:
A) It's a small sample size of 7 games
B) He was wide open in all 7 of those games and he still wasn't enough of a factor to warrant anyone covering him

M I K E · Post #16 » by **M I K E** » Tue Oct 1, 2013 7:14 pm

Hey guys, my name also hasn't appeared on the TOP 500 list yet.

therealbig3 · Post #17 » by **therealbig3** » Tue Oct 1, 2013 7:44 pm

DrazenForThree wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:Kris Humphries just made the list at #162.

Just don't understand the thought process. How does he rank over the guy that started ahead of him, especially since he was even out of the rotation for much of the season?

because he is twice the player evans is

Then why did he lose his starting spot to Evans? Why did he lose his spot in the rotation for most of the season?

DrazenForThree · Post #18 » by **DrazenForThree** » Tue Oct 1, 2013 8:04 pm

therealbig3 wrote:
DrazenForThree wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:Kris Humphries just made the list at #162.

Just don't understand the thought process. How does he rank over the guy that started ahead of him, especially since he was even out of the rotation for much of the season?

because he is twice the player evans is

Then why did he lose his starting spot to Evans? Why did he lose his spot in the rotation for most of the season?

Why didnt Blatche play PF more? Why was mirza glues to the bench?

Horrible coaching and rotaitons for the most part. Hump is a significantly better player then evans. last year, especially of the court, was a really tough year for him. reggie is a great reserve guy, but he has no business starting or logging big rotational minutes.

therealbig3 · Post #19 » by **therealbig3** » Tue Oct 1, 2013 8:53 pm

DrazenForThree wrote:Why didnt Blatche play PF more? Why was mirza glues to the bench?

Horrible coaching and rotaitons for the most part. Hump is a significantly better player then evans. last year, especially of the court, was a really tough year for him. reggie is a great reserve guy, but he has no business starting or logging big rotational minutes.

But Hump wasn't outplaying Evans when he did get playing time. The main reason Hump lost his starting job wasn't because Evans was that great...it's because Hump sucked, big time. And as bad as Evans was as a starter...he was still outplaying Hump somehow.

Is he more talented than Evans? Absolutely. But he was not a better player than Evans, and shouldn't be ranked over him until proven otherwise.

vincecarter4pres · Post #20 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Oct 1, 2013 8:58 pm

I agree, Hump is easily twice the player that Evans is.