How would Ernie's kids play as a team?

[hands11]

I think if Ernie's Kids as EG's picks excluding the ones that were essentially no-brainers. Ernie doesn't get credit for Wall and Beal because any moron in that position would have made the same pick. With that in mind, Ernie's Kids are:

Vesely
Seraphin
Booker
Singleton
Satoranksy
Blatche*
Young*
McGee*
Crawford *

Man, what a horrible bunch of picks.

I suppose we should now include Porter and Rice in the group too.

Shelvin Mack too

Also, Pecherov

Peter John Ramos

I suppose we can cut him a little slack and acknowledge that 2nd round picks are pretty much crapshoots anyway. We shouldn't beat him up too much on those misses. With that in mind, EG's Kids are:

Vesely
Seraphin
Booker
Singleton
Crawford*
McGee*
Young*
Pecherov*

All are first round picks. All save Booker are disappointing for their draft position. (You can make a case that Young and McGee aren't all that bad. They're idiots, but they can help a team if their role is limited.)

How about we make the case to stop the wash, rince, repeat over this until after this year.

Hey, Kev is set up to have a nice year and given where he was picked, who else did you want.
Booker - injured never had a change to show anything consistently.
Ves and Singleton we know were bad picks for where they were draft. 2011 was a brain fart.
Crawford wasn't drafted
McGee and Nick were tallented, they were just short busers. I have no idea how Ernie overlooked that.
Pech. Hey, going Euro in 2006 with 18th is a pretty crappy draft. Sure Rondo was there after Pech, but that was a pretty crappy draft and IIRC, Wiz really needed a forward that could shoot. They already had Gil and AD, so I can understand not drafting Rondo, who at the time was no sure thing.

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/nam ... on-wizards

As for Beal not counting. Absolutely he counts. Could have gone Barnes or Drummonds. or T Rob. Beal defiantly counts. Board was sure we would draft Barnes.

So does Wall. Could have gone Cousins. Some still feel that way. Or even Evan Turner. Dude was right there at the time. #1 consideration. Or a trade down to get assets and Favors. Oh, don't discount what could have happened. Hell, if they listened to me, they would have traded Wall or Kyrie and a pick the following year.

I think the majority of Ernie's suckatude or not, in drafting, will come down to Ves #6, Otto #3 and Singleton #18 over T Harris, Faried or even Marshon Brooks when we know Nick was done here.

He did well with Wall, Beal, Kevin and Booker picks. McGee was a fine prospect raised in a circus. Nick was just dumb as a sack of rocks. I would never pick a player like that. But hey, we could have had Morris Almond at #25 .. Nick at #16 wasn't a unreasonable pick.

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Beats me why you have to defend this incompetent bozo, Hands -- do you feel like you'd be a disloyal fan if you did otherwise?

First off, try to imagine where we'd be if the ping pong balls hadn't given Grunfeld his shot at Wall -- who was absolutely the default #1 pick around the league that year. For that matter, MK-G and BB were the defaults for #s 2-3 around the league in 2012. Ernie gets no props for either of those picks. And if your best argument for him is that he might have taken 2 different players, it's a pretty weak support.

Nothing wrong with the pick of Seraphin -- not every guy works out -- and he made a good move trading up to pick Booker. Give him credit when he does something good but only when he does something good.

His 2008 and 2009 and 2011 drafts were some of the worst work by a GM I've seen in several decades of attention to the NBA. I don't know what makes you think that McGee was such an outstanding prospect in '08 -- certainly not off his college numbers -- and 6 of the next 9 guys picked have gone on to good-to-really-outstanding NBA players. It would have been child's play to trade down and wind up with Batum and DeAndre Jordan (and that was what I called for back then -- no 20/20 hindsight here).

And '09 was ridiculous; not just the trade but not getting Minny's mid-first round pick and taking Ty Lawson with it (instead Minny sold it to Denver), as Lawson was obviously an outstanding PG prospect (again, I complained about this at the time -- no hindsight). Nor is the fact that we had Gil at the time even slightly relevant. A GM's job is to acquire the best assets he can as cheaply as he can -- if you have good players you don't need at a position, you use them to trade for a good player you do need.

Nick in '07 wasn't a terrible pick, even though he's a terrible player. It was a spotty draft to say the least. You'd have to be a smart GM to nab Tiago Splitter, and Ernie isn't that. But McGuire was a high value pick where he was taken -- though a much better player went next (Marc Gasol).

'06... oh it's too long ago to worry about. He picked a terrible prospect, but hey it's no longer news.

Even in 2012, though Beal was just fine -- he blew Round 2 by picking a guy we'll never see over here and giving away a pick that would have brought us a quality C prospect in Kyle O'Quinn. Typical Ernie -- sloppy, over-confident to the point of arrogance: what a bundle of bad human qualities that guy is.

2013 we can't judge yet -- but if Noel turns out much better than Porter, and Wolters turns out much better than Rice, will we still get to hear you say to stop looking at the past?

Teams and GMs that don't learn from their mistakes don't learn at all. Over and over and over again we've had picks right at the top of the draft, and what do we have? A lucky stroke in Wall and a sound pick in Beal and a decade of failure.

Throw the bum out. Stop defending him, Hands. He's a nincompoop.