Miami Heat are old - Abbott/Haberstroh

Pure_Basketball · Post #1 » by **Pure_Basketball** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 5:34 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamihe ... el-beasley

Watch from 4:30 to see the hate start.
Wow these guys are massive haters. How can you be NBA analysts and go on the way that they do whilst being stupid. They talk about how old Miami is, using the adjective 'old' like 8 times in a period of 3 minutes. They compare Miami's roster to Nets in terms of age.

They mention Shane Battier/Ray Allen/Rashard Lewis/Chris Anderson/Udonis Haslem and then compare the Heat to the Nets in age. But neglect to mention that the guys who play a consistent 30 minutes for the Heat are all pretty young.

Lebron James - 28
Chris Bosh - 29
Dwyane Wade - 31
Mario Chalmers - 27
Norris Cole - 24
Michael Beasley will likely be Heats 6-8th man - 24

and they're comparing Miami to
Kevin Garnett - 37
Deron Williams - 29
Joe Johnson - 32
Paul Pierce - 35
Andrei Kirilenko - 32
Jason Terry - 36
Reggie Evans - 33

It blows my mind how some people become famous NBA analysts, when they clearly don't analyse things. Is anybody else concerned with how old Miami is this year?

Post #2 » by **mopper8** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 5:37 am

Haberstroh loves the Heat and Abbot called them the favorite to win the title. Didn't bug me that either/both would pick the field over the Heat. And yeah, a lot of our rotation guys are old, and Wade has injury problems. It's a fair concern

Pure_Basketball · Post #3 » by **Pure_Basketball** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 5:41 am

mopper8 wrote:Haberstroh loves the Heat and Abbot called them the favorite to win the title. Didn't bug me that either/both would pick the field over the Heat. And yeah, a lot of our rotation guys are old, and Wade has injury problems. It's a fair concern

The guys who were old last season are the same guys who are old this season and it wasn't a concern. We've even added more young guys for depth from last season to this one. If it wasn't a concern last season, why would it now be a concern? :roll:

It's more bugged me that a NBA analyst has compared the Heat in age to the Nets without even thinking. All of the Nets players are old bar Lopez. Only Miami's bench players are really old.

Post #4 » by **mopper8** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 6:21 am

Pure_Basketball wrote:
mopper8 wrote:Haberstroh loves the Heat and Abbot called them the favorite to win the title. Didn't bug me that either/both would pick the field over the Heat. And yeah, a lot of our rotation guys are old, and Wade has injury problems. It's a fair concern

The guys who were old last season are the same guys who are old this season and it wasn't a concern. We've even added more young guys for depth from last season to this one. If it wasn't a concern last season, why would it now be a concern?
It's more bugged me that a NBA analyst has compared the Heat in age to the Nets without even thinking. All of the Nets players are old bar Lopez. Only Miami's bench players are really old.

If your argument is that Lebron, Bosh, and Wade are not old, then I don't know how you can say that everyone on the Nets is old sans Lopez. Deron is the same age as Bron/Bosh, and Joe Johnson is only a year older than Wade, and has been healthier the last couple years.

To be clear, I think Miami is the title favorites and, if Wade/Bron/Bosh are healthy, will win the title. I think Kerr is an idiot for expecting the Heat to get fatigued and injured. But it's a legit concern IMO.

HeatNation88 · Post #5 » by **HeatNation88** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 6:56 am

We were doubted many times but later we will shut them up with a title. Kerr is one of the biggest haters out there I know, pay attention how he talks trash about the Heat during games. I just wish Riley would came over and slap him like a B***h with his rings shutting him up. :lol:

Post #6 » by **heat4life** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 2:19 pm

I came to the conclusion long time ago that it is easier to pick against Miami because one day they will be right, and those analyst will flower themselves for picking the other team and bring the same concerns to the table year after year.

The goal? To delay the inevitable for as long as we can.

Go Heat!

Post #7 » by **DefenseWins** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 9:31 pm

Meh, Wade is more of a concern than our older players.

These people just need something to talk about, it's typical media crap.

The past 3 years we have been called old. Especially when Miller was here.

Heat_Fan_87 · Post #8 » by **Heat_Fan_87** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 11:09 pm

the sky is blue

Sorkoram · Post #9 » by **Sorkoram** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 11:34 pm

Let's remember that they do work in the media and there job is to maintain storylines, they cannot allow this NBA season to be a foregone conclusion, ending with a 3-peat.

NBA82 · Post #10 » by **NBA82** » Sun Oct 6, 2013 5:35 am

Old is the least of our concerns. Our old players are all role players. I love Birdman, Battier, and Udonis, but all three of them were alternating DNP-CDs in the last two rounds. Let's not act like they're the core of our team.

Allen is the only old guy that we actually rely on, and he's a shooting specialist.

If they want to talk about our weaknesses, they should focus on the fact that we have a thin and undersized front-court that's almost entirely dependent on Bosh (who evaporated against Hibbert and Duncan), and our main competition in the East is loaded in the front-court with Noah-Boozer-Gibson, Lopez-Garnett-Blatche, and Hibbert-West-Scola.

CablexDeadpool · Post #11 » by **CablexDeadpool** » Sun Oct 6, 2013 6:45 am

Miami Heat is old and Lebron carries the team a lot as the only consistent guy.

Wade is battered and injured.

Bosh is inconsistent.

Shane and Ray can disappear and the only thing they got is their 3 point shot.

Haslem is good for 10 decent to good games a season.

Birdman can get destroyed in the paint because he isn't a good man to man defender.

Chalmers is inconsistent as fuq.

Don't know if Cole is going to improve or if Beasley and Varnado can contribute.

Rashard Lewis is done and I don't expect Oden to play at all.

Yeah I am pretty worried about age, old doesn't win rings and everyone that is a legit title contender is much more athletic than the Heat and bigger. Was literally seconds from being eliminated, lets not act like The Heat convincingly won in 6 or something. Sure Lebron went HAM in the end and won the series for the Heat but still...team is old...er.

At least the Heat got Lebron, pretty much make any roster work at this point in his career.

Post #12 » by **BBallFreak** » Sun Oct 6, 2013 9:09 am

CablexDeadpool wrote:Miami Heat is old and Lebron carries the team a lot as the only consistent guy.

Wade is battered and injured.

Bosh is inconsistent.

Shane and Ray can disappear and the only thing they got is their 3 point shot.

Haslem is good for 10 decent to good games a season.

Birdman can get destroyed in the paint because he isn't a good man to man defender.

Chalmers is inconsistent as fuq.

Don't know if Cole is going to improve or if Beasley and Varnado can contribute.

Rashard Lewis is done and I don't expect Oden to play at all.

Yeah I am pretty worried about age, old doesn't win rings and everyone that is a legit title contender is much more athletic than the Heat and bigger. Was literally seconds from being eliminated, lets not act like The Heat convincingly won in 6 or something. Sure Lebron went HAM in the end and won the series for the Heat but still...team is old...er.

At least the Heat got Lebron, pretty much make any roster work at this point in his career.

Sorry to tell you this, oh champion of the undrafted from East Tennessee Onandago State, but age DOES win championships. Ideally you have an extremely talented core in its prime surrounded by smart, heady veterans with skills that compliment that core. That's what generally wins. Youth doesn't win. Tell me the last time a young team won anything. Sure, you might have one or two young contributors, but it's the age and talent that tend to win out over youth and athleticism.

All your concerns were the same concerns we faced last year and the year before that. Talent wins over youth and athleticism. Not too concerning...

SweetTouch · Post #13 » by **SweetTouch** » Sun Oct 6, 2013 10:27 am

No need to worry, just another season our underdog Heatles will have to win against these big bad young teams.

We will tell our grandchildren the stories of how a group of old fellas were able to beat the YOUNGSTAS convincingly for years and years

narmerguy · Post #14 » by **narmerguy** » Sun Oct 6, 2013 4:50 pm

I'm not worried.

GreenHat · Post #15 » by **GreenHat** » Mon Oct 7, 2013 4:44 am

Pure_Basketball wrote:
mopper8 wrote:Haberstroh loves the Heat and Abbot called them the favorite to win the title. Didn't bug me that either/both would pick the field over the Heat. And yeah, a lot of our rotation guys are old, and Wade has injury problems. It's a fair concern

The guys who were old last season are the same guys who are old this season and it wasn't a concern. We've even added more young guys for depth from last season to this one. If it wasn't a concern last season, why would it now be a concern?
It's more bugged me that a NBA analyst has compared the Heat in age to the Nets without even thinking. All of the Nets players are old bar Lopez. Only Miami's bench players are really old.

It was a concern last year as well. The thing is once you win fans like to think their team was invincible that year and were destined to win.

GreenHat · Post #16 » by **GreenHat** » Mon Oct 7, 2013 4:57 am

heat4life wrote:I came to the conclusion long time ago that it is easier to pick against Miami because one day they will be right, and those analyst will flower themselves for picking the other team and bring the same concerns to the table year after year.

The goal? To delay the inevitable for as long as we can.

Go Heat!

That day already came. They were right already.

Sure there are some haters but you guys are too sensitive and always looking for some malicious reason for anyone picking against us.

The main gist was that we are an old team. We are an old team.

A guy picking the field over the Heat isn't crazy. The Heat are 2-1 to win the title this year. If you really think picking the field over the Heat is a absurd notion go put your life savings on the Heat at 2-1. You would be getting value.

Sure the Heat are the obvious favorites but someone suggesting that they aren't better than even money against the field isn't a big deal at all. If you disagree you can take advantage of it.

Post #17 » by **mopper8** » Mon Oct 7, 2013 6:27 am

BBallFreak wrote:
CablexDeadpool wrote:Miami Heat is old and Lebron carries the team a lot as the only consistent guy.

Wade is battered and injured.

Bosh is inconsistent.

Shane and Ray can disappear and the only thing they got is their 3 point shot.

Haslem is good for 10 decent to good games a season.

Birdman can get destroyed in the paint because he isn't a good man to man defender.

Chalmers is inconsistent as fuq.

Don't know if Cole is going to improve or if Beasley and Varnado can contribute.

Rashard Lewis is done and I don't expect Oden to play at all.

Yeah I am pretty worried about age, old doesn't win rings and everyone that is a legit title contender is much more athletic than the Heat and bigger. Was literally seconds from being eliminated, lets not act like The Heat convincingly won in 6 or something. Sure Lebron went HAM in the end and won the series for the Heat but still...team is old...er.

At least the Heat got Lebron, pretty much make any roster work at this point in his career.

Sorry to tell you this, oh champion of the undrafted from East Tennessee Onandago State, but age DOES win championships. Ideally you have an extremely talented core in its prime surrounded by smart, heady veterans with skills that compliment that core. That's what generally wins. Youth doesn't win. Tell me the last time a young team won anything. Sure, you might have one or two young contributors, but it's the age and talent that tend to win out over youth and athleticism.

All your concerns were the same concerns we faced last year and the year before that. Talent wins over youth and athleticism. Not too concerning...

I think you can look at any title contending team, take apart its roster, and give it as pessimistic gloss as in that post, and they'll all look about the same. Hibbert's inconsistency and mobility with new added weight, Granger coming back from injury, West pushing into his mid-30s, etc etc. I'm not gonna do it with any sort of depth of treatment but you get the point.

Yes, Miami is a collection of players, all of whom have flaws, some more severe than others. That makes them just like every other team. What makes Miami special is that we have special players who are able to compensate for the flaws of the role players and maximize their ability to contribute, a dynamic encouraged by the coach both in his demeanor and in his offensive design.

theFRANCHISE · Post #18 » by **theFRANCHISE** » Mon Oct 7, 2013 6:53 am

I saw this a couple days ago and turned it off once the guy said, "Imagine if ray allen doesn't hit that shot" I really despise these "analyst" that live in that hypothetical world. He made the shot! IMO the concerns for the heat are the same as all the top teams; health & playoff matchups.

I still think the Bulls and Pacers are great defensively but both of their offenses are suspect. Nets are a threat but we have to see how all those guys gel together. For some reason I think that team doesn't have enough shots to go around for all those players.

Post #19 » by **mopper8** » Mon Oct 7, 2013 7:45 am

theFRANCHISE wrote:I saw this a couple days ago and turned it off once the guy said, "Imagine if ray allen doesn't hit that shot" I really despise these "analyst" that live in that hypothetical world. He made the shot! IMO the concerns for the heat are the same as all the top teams; health & playoff matchups.

I still think the Bulls and Pacers are great defensively but both of their offenses are suspect. Nets are a threat but we have to see how all those guys gel together. For some reason I think that team doesn't have enough shots to go around for all those players.

You should've waited longer, the other guy came back and was like "what if Tony Parker doesn't hit his ridiculous shot...?"

Post #20 » by **heat4life** » Mon Oct 7, 2013 1:21 pm

GreenHat wrote:
heat4life wrote:I came to the conclusion long time ago that it is easier to pick against Miami because one day they will be right, and those analyst will flower themselves for picking the other team and bring the same concerns to the table year after year.

The goal? To delay the inevitable for as long as we can.

Go Heat!

That day already came. They were right already.

Sure there are some haters but you guys are too sensitive and always looking for some malicious reason for anyone picking against us.

The main gist was that we are an old team. We are an old team.

A guy picking the field over the Heat isn't crazy. The Heat are 2-1 to win the title this year. If you really think picking the field over the Heat is a absurd notion go put your life savings on the Heat at 2-1. You would be getting value.

Sure the Heat are the obvious favorites but someone suggesting that they aren't better than even money against the field isn't a big deal at all. If you disagree you can take advantage of it.

Honestly, you are preaching to the wrong guy. I put perspective on things, and in this case I agree with you. For example, I believe Steve Kerr's thoughts on mental and emotional drainage are a legit point. I am also very aware that our roster is filled with over-30 veterans (although every champion since I can remember has had a veteran "old" roster similar to ours. I never understood this argument when we have yet to see a "twenty-somethings team win anything but that is a different discussion).

I could really care less what the predictions are from anyone and those were the intentions on my original post. Predictions, we all have them no? It all comes down to who can make the best argument for theirs.

Please don't bunch me with the sensitive crowd because I am far from it.