Miami Heat are old - Abbott/Haberstroh

[GreenHat]

I came to the conclusion long time ago that it is easier to pick against Miami because one day they will be right, and those analyst will flower themselves for picking the other team and bring the same concerns to the table year after year.

The goal? To delay the inevitable for as long as we can.


Go Heat!

That day already came. They were right already.

Sure there are some haters but you guys are too sensitive and always looking for some malicious reason for anyone picking against us.

The main gist was that we are an old team. We are an old team.

A guy picking the field over the Heat isn't crazy. The Heat are 2-1 to win the title this year. If you really think picking the field over the Heat is a absurd notion go put your life savings on the Heat at 2-1. You would be getting value.

Sure the Heat are the obvious favorites but someone suggesting that they aren't better than even money against the field isn't a big deal at all. If you disagree you can take advantage of it.

Honestly, you are preaching to the wrong guy. I put perspective on things, and in this case I agree with you. For example, I believe Steve Kerr's thoughts on mental and emotional drainage are a legit point. I am also very aware that our roster is filled with over-30 veterans (although every champion since I can remember has had a veteran "old" roster similar to ours. I never understood this argument when we have yet to see a "twenty-somethings team win anything but that is a different discussion).

I could really care less what the predictions are from anyone and those were the intentions on my original post. Predictions, we all have them no? It all comes down to who can make the best argument for theirs.

Please don't bunch me with the sensitive crowd because I am far from it.

Ha my bad.

It just gets annoying reading all of these "someone predicted that we will lose 3 games this season, time to prove all the haters wrong". I remember a post just recently about how no one believes in Lebron... months after he won the MVP by getting all by one vote and then won another title on top of that.

On the prediction part, I really don't think he was trying to flower themselves in case the Heat lost. I mean he picked the field against the Heat, he didn't even pick a team. That's just logical and doesn't require an ulterior motive.

[mopper8]

Just to drive my earlier point home:

5. Prediction time: How far will the Heat go next season?

Haberstroh: Three-peat. There are some red flags here, but not more than any other team. Ultimately, the Heat are the favorites because they have James in his prime and no one else does.

It's totally consistent and reasonable to say (1) the Heat are the favorites to win the title, (2) if I had to pick one team to win the title, it would be Miami, but (3) between the Heat and the field, the field is more likely

[GreenHat]

Just to drive my earlier point home:

5. Prediction time: How far will the Heat go next season?

Haberstroh: Three-peat. There are some red flags here, but not more than any other team. Ultimately, the Heat are the favorites because they have James in his prime and no one else does.

It's totally consistent and reasonable to say (1) the Heat are the favorites to win the title, (2) if I had to pick one team to win the title, it would be Miami, but (3) between the Heat and the field, the field is more likely

Yep same point I was making as well. The Heat are 2-1 to win the title. Picking the field over them is completely logical, especially if you aren't specifically a Heat fan.

[GreenHat]

I saw this a couple days ago and turned it off once the guy said, "Imagine if ray allen doesn't hit that shot" I really despise these "analyst" that live in that hypothetical world. He made the shot! IMO the concerns for the heat are the same as all the top teams; health & playoff matchups.

I still think the Bulls and Pacers are great defensively but both of their offenses are suspect. Nets are a threat but we have to see how all those guys gel together. For some reason I think that team doesn't have enough shots to go around for all those players.

It is a legitimate point. A team that blows through the playoffs undefeated winning all games by 30 should be treated differently than a team that needed a buzzer beater in a game 6 that they were down in the series when predicting future results.

[theFRANCHISE]

I saw this a couple days ago and turned it off once the guy said, "Imagine if ray allen doesn't hit that shot" I really despise these "analyst" that live in that hypothetical world. He made the shot! IMO the concerns for the heat are the same as all the top teams; health & playoff matchups.

I still think the Bulls and Pacers are great defensively but both of their offenses are suspect. Nets are a threat but we have to see how all those guys gel together. For some reason I think that team doesn't have enough shots to go around for all those players.

It is a legitimate point. A team that blows through the playoffs undefeated winning all games by 30 should be treated differently than a team that needed a buzzer beater in a game 6 that they were down in the series when predicting future results.

A win is a win it doesn't matter if its by 35 pts or 1 pt.

[Heat fan06]

Our core isn't old and that's what matters.

[GreenHat]

I saw this a couple days ago and turned it off once the guy said, "Imagine if ray allen doesn't hit that shot" I really despise these "analyst" that live in that hypothetical world. He made the shot! IMO the concerns for the heat are the same as all the top teams; health & playoff matchups.

I still think the Bulls and Pacers are great defensively but both of their offenses are suspect. Nets are a threat but we have to see how all those guys gel together. For some reason I think that team doesn't have enough shots to go around for all those players.

It is a legitimate point. A team that blows through the playoffs undefeated winning all games by 30 should be treated differently than a team that needed a buzzer beater in a game 6 that they were down in the series when predicting future results.

A win is a win it doesn't matter if its by 35 pts or 1 pt.

No its actually completely different when it comes to predicting future results like they are attempting to do here.

If you think a 5-0 team that has won every game by 1 point is the same as a 5-0 team that won every game by 35 points in terms of likeliness to keep winning then you know nothing about basketball, statistics, probability, or logic.

[Langdon Alger]

Honestly, with all the crap that Heat fans get from other team's fans plus some in the media who are trying to get clicks. I think it's ok to be a little "sensitive" from time to time. Especially when people in the mainstream are writing articles like:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/miami-heat-lebron-james-dwyane-wade-chris-bosh-big-three-egotistical-photo-shoot-100813

Or how Mike Wallace in order to promote his new article wrote:

Michael Wallace ‏@WallaceNBA_ESPN 5h
Wade: I'm not ready for Game 1 - http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamih ... d-practice …

When all Wade said is that as of this moment he's not ready for the RS. Similar to what Lebron in the same article said about having his legs at only about "80%". Thus also not being ready for Game 1. However by tweeting those words people click on the article thinking Wade has had some setback.

Now, I'm not saying that Heat fans shouldn't have perspective, but to act like we have to play nice everytime, when others aren't isn't all that fun.

Also, in the video in question they talk about how if Wade is hurt than he shouldn't play more than 18 min or so. Saying how having him play big minutes is often political. But that discounts the fact that even though an injured Wade may hurt you on the offense, he always makes big plays when needed. Case in point the first offensive rebound at the end of Gm6, which was only kept alive b/c Wade outjumped 3 Spurs, and then tipped it to Miller. No one brings that up for some reason, with the exception of Zach Lowe.

Also in the video the overrating of Miller's importance on this team.

Again, I don't really have a huge problem with this video, but to say that Heat fans can't be even a little sensitive from time to time is kind of annoying. Especially when we have to deal with the stuff that we do.

[GreenHat]

Oh yeah its so hard dealing with merely being called the favorite for a threepeat rather than a better than even money favorite for a three peat.

This goes beyond being a little sensitive. Literally articles are calling us the favorite and people are still whining.

[Langdon Alger]

Oh yeah its so hard dealing with merely being called the favorite for a threepeat rather than a better than even money favorite for a three peat.

This goes beyond being a little sensitive. Literally articles are calling us the favorite and people are still whining.

So, I take it you didn't read any of the articles I posted?

I get what you're trying to say, but all I'm saying is that the media definitely likes to take shots at us, in order to get clicks. Thus it's ok to be annoyed from time to time. Bill Simmons in one of his articles wrote how he now hates the "Seven Nation Army" song because of the Heat. If any other franchise did something like that where the crowd sings in unison, people would praise it, but since it's the heat, it's "OMG, the Heat are so annoying". It's petty things like that, which make me say it's ok to be a little annoyed from time to time.

[heat4life]

I believe some Heat fans would be much happier ONLY if they handed us the 2013-14 trophy already.

Two things to do here IMO:

1) If it bothers you, ignore it and avoid reading anything Heat related for your own health (and the sake of stop using the word "hater") or

2) If you take it for what it is, a person's prediction, just discuss their reasoning without taking it personal and you'll enjoy yourself that much more. You don't always have to agree but it is much more productive - and fun - to pick apart a topic when you are impartial to it.

Just my 2 cents..

[Sgt P]

I believe some Heat fans would be much happier ONLY if they handed us the 2013-14 trophy already.

Two things to do here IMO:
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Just my 2 cents..

I completely disagree h4Lyfe. As a long time lurker, I think they should air out their feelings. I definitely feel better, maybe it will rub off onto them.

my 2 cents.

[JesusHCoxMd]

Next summer, while sitting comfortably and lighting up a victory cigar, I'll revisit this thread for lols.

[Rock Hardy]

Meh. It's understandable to doubt us this season, given how the rest of the conference has gotten better. What matters is that the team has no doubt. They believe they will win, and that's all that matters to me. I like the improvements in the offseason and see no one topping us. We got this threepeat, baby! Kerr can suck an egg after we not only make the Finals a 4th straight year, but win it all a 3rd straight time. "Paint yo face, clown!"

[Tony15]

This is a good thing, because "young" teams don't win championships.....

[truthiness]

Miami Heat is old and Lebron carries the team a lot as the only consistent guy.

Wade is battered and injured.

Bosh is inconsistent.

Shane and Ray can disappear and the only thing they got is their 3 point shot.

Haslem is good for 10 decent to good games a season.

Birdman can get destroyed in the paint because he isn't a good man to man defender.

Chalmers is inconsistent as fuq.

Don't know if Cole is going to improve or if Beasley and Varnado can contribute.

Rashard Lewis is done and I don't expect Oden to play at all.

Yeah I am pretty worried about age, old doesn't win rings and everyone that is a legit title contender is much more athletic than the Heat and bigger. Was literally seconds from being eliminated, lets not act like The Heat convincingly won in 6 or something. Sure Lebron went HAM in the end and won the series for the Heat but still...team is old...er.

At least the Heat got Lebron, pretty much make any roster work at this point in his career.

There's a reason why you're on my ignore list: posts like these.
You should go check the age of former champions. Like the Spurs in 2007 and 2005. Or the 1997 and 98 Bulls. They were much older than the Heat of today.

The reality is exactly the opposed of what you claim: VETERANS win titles.

[krikor]

quite a rubbish to claim we are old. The main core of this team is young.
IN PG Role, CHalmers and cole are young.Chalmers is 27, Cole is 25.
IN SF Role, Lebron and Beasley are young. Lebron is going to 29, beasley is 24.
Bosh at center or PF is young too.Wade doesnt classify old as well, yeh he was injured 2 years.. but at 31 going to 32 your still in prime of ur basketball ( between 28 - 32 is when u play ur best ). Its just that wade plays on stacked team as well, put him in the old garbage miami teams he would average 30 if he wants too..

The only old player in our starting line up is haslem.and key bench players like andersen, battier, ray allen...and some unused ones like lewis, jones.

[heat in italy]

I think that we are loaded. I really think that this will be the easiest ring of the 3. And if Oden contributes on 50 games RS and the playoffs ... HCA through the playoffs and no series going further than 4x2

[GreenHat]

Oh yeah its so hard dealing with merely being called the favorite for a threepeat rather than a better than even money favorite for a three peat.

This goes beyond being a little sensitive. Literally articles are calling us the favorite and people are still whining.

So, I take it you didn't read any of the articles I posted?

I get what you're trying to say, but all I'm saying is that the media definitely likes to take shots at us, in order to get clicks. Thus it's ok to be annoyed from time to time. Bill Simmons in one of his articles wrote how he now hates the "Seven Nation Army" song because of the Heat. If any other franchise did something like that where the crowd sings in unison, people would praise it, but since it's the heat, it's "OMG, the Heat are so annoying". It's petty things like that, which make me say it's ok to be a little annoyed from time to time.

He is a Celtics fan. Find me an article that a rival fan praises another team singing a song in unison and I'll find many more where a rival fan mocked it. And by the way regarding your example of Simmons, he also wrote how he hated his own team's fans singing Sweet Caroline at Red Sox games in unison so it doesn't seem like it was a "since it's the Heat" scenario at all.