Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread

[sweetcity]

Ross + Fields for Afflalo

Lowry
Afflalo
Gay
Amir
JV

6th man - DD

[suntzuballin]

i was watching highlights on nba.com timberwolves be a good trading patner for a rudy g trade they got assets

[sweetcity]

We need more bench depth, meaning DD is better served coming off the bench in my opinion, same with Amir. I'd like to see us target a 2G that can spread the floor and play D. Ross + Fields for Wes Mathews

Lowry
Mathews
Gay
Hansborough
JV

6th DD
7th Amir
8th Buycks

[T-D0G]

We need more bench depth, meaning DD is better served coming off the bench in my opinion, same with Amir. I'd like to see us target a 2G that can spread the floor and play D. Ross + Fields for Wes Mathews

Lowry
Mathews
Gay
Hansborough
JV

6th DD
7th Amir
8th Buycks

Awful trade.

[sweetcity]

We need more bench depth, meaning DD is better served coming off the bench in my opinion, same with Amir. I'd like to see us target a 2G that can spread the floor and play D. Ross + Fields for Wes Mathews

Lowry
Mathews
Gay
Hansborough
JV

6th DD
7th Amir
8th Buycks

Awful trade.

why? unload Fields contract for a productive 3+ D player which slides DD to the bench. Ross, who knows his upside

[T-D0G]

We need more bench depth, meaning DD is better served coming off the bench in my opinion, same with Amir. I'd like to see us target a 2G that can spread the floor and play D. Ross + Fields for Wes Mathews

Lowry
Mathews
Gay
Hansborough
JV

6th DD
7th Amir
8th Buycks

Awful trade.

why? unload Fields contract for a productive 3+ D player which slides DD to the bench. Ross, who knows his upside

It's not even worth explaining. Its just a dumb trade, makes no sense.

[TheFreshPrince]

We need more bench depth, meaning DD is better served coming off the bench in my opinion, same with Amir. I'd like to see us target a 2G that can spread the floor and play D. Ross + Fields for Wes Mathews

Lowry
Mathews
Gay
Hansborough
JV

6th DD
7th Amir
8th Buycks

Portland wouldn't entertain that at this point. They would if Ross consistently plays like he did yesterday, but if that's the case it's better for us to just keep Ross.

[sweetcity]

Awful trade.

why? unload Fields contract for a productive 3+ D player which slides DD to the bench. Ross, who knows his upside

It's not even worth explaining. Its just a dumb trade, makes no sense.

you must be a BC fanboy

[T-D0G]

why? unload Fields contract for a productive 3+ D player which slides DD to the bench. Ross, who knows his upside

It's not even worth explaining. Its just a dumb trade, makes no sense.

you must be a BC fanboy

Not at all.

Judging by that trade idea of yours, you and BC seem to have a lot in common.

[Nosike17]

T-DOG, I hope you're saying it's awful because Portland would never do it, and not because it's a bad trade for us.

Getting Wesley Matthews for Ross while dumping Fields' contract would be a coup for us.

[Nosike17]

I wonder if we could get our hands on Rondo without trading any starters besides Lowry.

[Wasp]

I wonder if we could get our hands on Rondo without trading any starters besides Lowry.

As much as I love Rondo, with DD/Gay on the wings we desperately need a PG who can shoot the 3, which is the polar opposite of Rondo.

However, this works in the checker: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mazfrln

Rondo for Lowry, Ross, Acy + however many picks we'd need to throw in (2 1sts?)

[Nosike17]

I wonder if we could get our hands on Rondo without trading any starters besides Lowry.

As much as I love Rondo, with DD/Gay on the wings we desperately need a PG who can shoot the 3, which is the polar opposite of Rondo.

However, this works in the checker: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mazfrln

Rondo for Lowry, Ross, Acy + however many picks we'd need to throw in (2 1sts?)

Not necessarily. We can just be a team that primarily attacks the basket (see Denver, they shot the 3 worse than us last year but had one of the best offenses.)

And I think with a re-signed Rondo, DeMar, Gay and Valanciunas; Kevin Love could potentially be in play in 2015 as a FA target.

[TheFreshPrince]

I wonder if we could get our hands on Rondo without trading any starters besides Lowry.

As much as I love Rondo, with DD/Gay on the wings we desperately need a PG who can shoot the 3, which is the polar opposite of Rondo.

However, this works in the checker: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mazfrln

Rondo for Lowry, Ross, Acy + however many picks we'd need to throw in (2 1sts?)

Not necessarily. We can just be a team that primarily attacks the basket (see Denver, they shot the 3 worse than us last year but had one of the best offenses.)

And I think with a re-signed Rondo, DeMar, Gay and Valanciunas; Kevin Love could potentially be in play in 2015 as a FA target.

That's 4 max deals and DeMar at around 8-10 million a season. It's not possible, and even if it were we'd be in luxury tax hell.

[Nosike17]

As much as I love Rondo, with DD/Gay on the wings we desperately need a PG who can shoot the 3, which is the polar opposite of Rondo.

However, this works in the checker: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mazfrln

Rondo for Lowry, Ross, Acy + however many picks we'd need to throw in (2 1sts?)

Not necessarily. We can just be a team that primarily attacks the basket (see Denver, they shot the 3 worse than us last year but had one of the best offenses.)

And I think with a re-signed Rondo, DeMar, Gay and Valanciunas; Kevin Love could potentially be in play in 2015 as a FA target.

That's 4 max deals and DeMar at around 8-10 million a season. We'd be in luxury tax hell.

I'm not sure why Gay would be on a max deal, Iguodala got 12M last year, I'd expect Gay to get about 15. If we were to trade for Rondo now and extend him right away we might be able to hook him for 11M a year coming off that injury. If we dealt Novak's expiring in 14-15 we'd have:

Gay - 15M
Rondo - 11M
DeRozan - 9.5M
Valanciunas - 3.7M
Ross - 2.8M
Acy - 900K
2014 1st - 1M
2015 1st - 1M

That's 44.9M on the books.

Larry Coon projected the 2015 salary cap:

Confirming @espnsteinline tweet -- league's projected cap/tax for 2013-14 is currently $58.5M & $71.6M. For 2014-15 it's $62.1M & $75.7M.

— Larry Coon (@LarryCoon) June 3, 2013

That would leave us 17.2M to spend in free agency, meaning we could max Kevin Love and still be 13M under the luxury tax with 9 rotation players on the roster.

Not exactly a likely or guaranteed thing (the iffy part is Rondo extending for that cheap --- surely won't be a max though). But the math works. This math also assumes we don't trade Ross/Acy or any picks for Rondo (which would obviously not happen), so we'd actually have more money to spend than I projected.

[sweetcity]

Rudy better keep them bags packed.... he's gone!

[Totem]

First, of all I'd like to say that this isn't a trade thread, and please at least try to read at least the first few points.

1) Rondo would provide us with the total package from pg
When we had Jose, we had a playmaker(arguable) and some one who got the bigs involved. When we got lowry we had someone who was a feisty penetrator, who would play great defence. However, when casey tried to get lowry to involve his teammates he seemed to struggle and we ended up losing out on what made him great. It's clear with rondo we would essentially have both

2) Rondo Is the Perfect Pg for our bigs and would make Val look like an allstar
Both Rondo and Val are made for the pick and roll. With Rondo’s dazzling passing ability and both Val and Amir’s finishing skills, the pick and roll will become a staple on offense once again. Honestly, we’ve seen what rondo’s done with perkins ( I mean look at him now) just imagine what he could do with val.

3) Would create for the wings
Our wings are not bad shot creators; it’s just that they create bad shots. With rondo we could limit the opportunity for demar and rudy to take those off the dribble contested 20fters.

4) Perfect for our system
With casey we’re going to have a defense first team and rondo wont compromise that, but would instead help enhance our offense which is a struggle casey. With rondo we have instant offense, someone who could penetrate at will and dish it out or run a pick and roll.

5) Would at the very least make us a Solid Playoff team, with flexibility
If Rondo were on the raptors this very second he’d be our best player. People ask what makes rondo better than lowry. Two things, rondo elevates his teammates making everyone better and he is a proven leader in the playoffs coming clutch time in and time out. He was groomed by the very best, in KG, peirce and Ray allen. He is a top 15 player and would be a key piece for us moving forward and helping us enter the top 6 of the east. And the real kicker here is with rondo we’ll maintain flexibility since he’s only 11 mil and expires in 2 years.

6) Help us attract other stars
Almost everyone on this board circle jerks about tanking, when in reality the best way of building a championship team is trading for stars and using them to attract talent. After all players only care about winning. And there are plenty of examples to prove it. Aside from the Houston, we have Brooklyn who traded for dwill, NY who went after carmello, Warriors who’s trade for bogut is really paying off, Clippers who were nothing before trading for Paul. In reality rondo is in the same tier as some of these players and the key to this would be that rondo is not the final piece to the puzzle. With rondo and a resigned-to-much-less rudy, we’d have room for one more max player in FA perhaps love. And I could see management committed to going into the tax if the team is worth it.

[Schad]

Nowhere in there did you indicate how we're supposed to acquire Rondo. Where is this cap space coming from that will allow us to re-sign Gay, sign Rondo outright, and sign other free agents after next season?

[Totem]

Nowhere in there did you indicate how we're supposed to acquire Rondo.

I was scared If I did that it would be moved to the trade thread(since I just wanted to debate the merits of haveing rondo here) .... but since you asked the package would pretty much be:

Rondo/Lee for Lowry, feilds, Ross and 2016 NYK first and 2014 draft pick

But I really don't want to give away the 2014 draft pick.

[SkywalkerAC]

Lowry/Fields/Ross for Rondo - sure:D