Rookie impressions thread: PRESEASON/REGULAR SEASON

rockmanslim · Post #61 » by **rockmanslim** » Wed Oct 9, 2013 5:45 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:Definitely see a little bit of Batum in Giannis. With a bit of bulk, that kid has got some serious potential.

I didn't watch him closely while watching the game, but based on the highlights, to me he looks more fluid and skilled than Batum.

Brapman · Post #62 » by **Brapman** » Wed Oct 9, 2013 6:38 pm

The J Rocka wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0aPXO2UwLY[/youtube]

Very impressive. 18 years old. The Bucks might have something special here.

Brapman · Post #63 » by **Brapman** » Wed Oct 9, 2013 6:44 pm

The Bucks are going nowhere this season, which might be wonderful for them. If they can develop the Greek kid well, and add one of the stars in the loaded 2014 draft, added to Sanders and Henson and Knight, then that's a sh*t-ton of young talent.

It's far to early to know whether Giannis develops (game, athletically, emotionally), but the potential (very high) is obvious.

So, how are the Bucks going to use/develop him? Will they D-League him? Give him rotation minutes? Pretty fascinating.

Inigo_Montoya · Post #64 » by **Inigo_Montoya** » Wed Oct 9, 2013 6:51 pm

Brapman wrote:The Bucks are going nowhere this season, which might be wonderful for them. If they can develop the Greek kid well, and add one of the stars in the loaded 2014 draft, added to Sanders and Henson and Knight, then that's a sh*t-ton of young talent.

It's far to early to know whether Giannis develops (game, athletically, emotionally), but the potential (very high) is obvious.

So, how are the Bucks going to use/develop him? Will they D-League him? Give him rotation minutes? Pretty fascinating.

By trading him to the Magic for Jameer Nelson next year :-D

Post #65 » by **The J Rocka** » Wed Oct 9, 2013 7:45 pm

Inigo_Montoya wrote:
Brapman wrote:The Bucks are going nowhere this season, which might be wonderful for them. If they can develop the Greek kid well, and add one of the stars in the loaded 2014 draft, added to Sanders and Henson and Knight, then that's a sh*t-ton of young talent.

It's far to early to know whether Giannis develops (game, athletically, emotionally), but the potential (very high) is obvious.

So, how are the Bucks going to use/develop him? Will they D-League him? Give him rotation minutes? Pretty fascinating.

By trading him to the Magic for Jameer Nelson next year

Don't forget to add two future second round picks!

Catchall · Post #66 » by **Catchall** » Wed Oct 9, 2013 8:18 pm

Spottieottie wrote:Jazz fan disclaimer but Burke looked a **** ton better than he did in any of the previous excuses for games (scrimmage / summer league). Amazing what playing with NBA players will do for you. He still has rookie tendencies... stupid TOs, and the like.. and he can get to the rim but then throws up an awful shot. But those seem fixable. Jump shot was mostly money... one of those missed 3s was a desperation heave which twerked his stats. Lots of Jazz fans had faith restored tonight (for now...).

Burke did look pretty good. He plays fast, but under control. Has pretty good court vision. He had one play where he blew by three defenders passed the ball by a fourth defender and fed Evans for a dunk on a mini-break.

He showed patience using screens, got in the lane regularly, and showed confidence in his jumper, including a 3-pt from the wing on the move. I think working with Stockton helped him with his timing and confidence.

Massamba · Post #67 » by **Massamba** » Wed Oct 9, 2013 9:04 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRKuZY-2xbA[/youtube]
I liked what he did in summer league. I like what is doing in preseason. I think i'll like he will do in the regular season.

rockmanslim · Post #68 » by **rockmanslim** » Wed Oct 9, 2013 10:56 pm

Spottieottie wrote:Jazz fan disclaimer but Burke looked a **** ton better than he did in any of the previous excuses for games (scrimmage / summer league). Amazing what playing with NBA players will do for you. He still has rookie tendencies... stupid TOs, and the like.. and he can get to the rim but then throws up an awful shot. But those seem fixable. Jump shot was mostly money... one of those missed 3s was a desperation heave which twerked his stats. Lots of Jazz fans had faith restored tonight (for now...).

At least one thing he has going for him is the form on his jumper. His form is impeccable, a thing of beauty actually.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c18U291cCkM[/youtube]

irie · Post #69 » by **irie** » Wed Oct 9, 2013 11:31 pm

I think Kelly Olynyk will break out at some point. He may never be an all star, but I see him as a more versatile Ryan Anderson going forward. Definitely good reserve big, possible starter depending on the situation. If people haven't seen him play, he has a really nice handle for someone his size (6'11?) and can pass really well. That's why I say more versatile.

Ayt · Post #70 » by **Ayt** » Wed Oct 9, 2013 11:51 pm

irie wrote:I think Kelly Olynyk will break out at some point. He may never be an all star, but I see him as a more versatile Ryan Anderson going forward. Definitely good reserve big, possible starter depending on the situation. If people haven't seen him play, he has a really nice handle for someone his size (6'11?) and can pass really well. That's why I say more versatile.

Ryan Anderson was 2nd in 3PTA and 3PTM last year. Calling him a more versatile Ryan Anderson makes absolutely no sense unless he shows an ability to hit a huge number of threes at a high level on a huge number of attempts. A more versatile Ryan Anderson makes multiple All-Star games.

Is Olynyk up there with Anderson and Ilyasova as one of the best three point shooting big men in the league? Can he even consistently hit the NBA three?

irie · Post #71 » by **irie** » Wed Oct 9, 2013 11:53 pm

Ayt wrote:
irie wrote:I think Kelly Olynyk will break out at some point. He may never be an all star, but I see him as a more versatile Ryan Anderson going forward. Definitely good reserve big, possible starter depending on the situation. If people haven't seen him play, he has a really nice handle for someone his size (6'11?) and can pass really well. That's why I say more versatile.

Ryan Anderson was 2nd in 3PTA and 3PTM last year. Calling him a more versatile Ryan Anderson makes absolutely no sense unless he shows an ability to hit a huge number of threes at a high level on a huge number of attempts. A more versatile Ryan Anderson makes multiple All-Star games.

Is Olynyk up there with Anderson and Ilyasova as one of the best three point shooting big men in the league?

We will see. I think he could be. I have high hopes, even if they may be unrealistic. More versatile doesn't mean he is a better shooter. I meant he could be a reliable of a three point shooting big man plus the ability to handle the ball.

Ayt · Post #72 » by **Ayt** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:05 am

Inigo_Montoya wrote:
The J Rocka wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0aPXO2UwLY[/youtube]

Wow, can't belief his game is translating from the Greek league to the NBA so quickly. How was his defense? (Other than the blocks anyway) Did his non-highlight moments look pretty raw?

He really struggled fighting through screens. Off the ball in terms of awareness and team D, he was quite good. That being said, he did tend to sink too much off of people in help D, but that is something that is easily correctable over time. On the ball in iso situations, he was also quite good.

The major issue was his defense off of picks (which is a huge part of NBA defense). He showed a very poor ability to both fight through and recover against picks, whether they were on the ball in pick and roll situations, or off the ball. In that regard, I'd say he was terrible. Of course, he's only 18 and this was his first NBA level action, so he gets a bit of a pass.

Given his focus and hustle, I'm not overly concerned as a Bucks fan. His problems defensively are from a lack of understanding much more than a lack of ability or will. He played very hard defensively both before the shot went up and then after when you need to secure the rebound. He also swatted the **** out of a pass on the break (in the vid above) and destroyed another fast break that isn't in the vid.

I was skeptical of the pick, but he blew me away in his first game. Offensively, he has a very nice floor game. It is obvious that he flat out understands the game.

The main thing I want to see going forward is how he learns to defend in pick and roll situations. Given his very gangly body type, he can be very easy to lock up by a big on a pick. He needs to learn how to work through that.

Again, I was very skeptical of the pick as a Bucks fan, but I was blown away by what I saw. He's a natural basketball player in all aspects with a phenomenal build.

AddiFB · Post #73 » by **AddiFB** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:07 am

Halftime, Pelicans vs. Magic.

Oladipo with 6pts on 2-5 shooting, 0-0 3PT, 2-4FT. 5 assists, 4 steals, 3 rebounds.

jdanderson94 · Post #74 » by **jdanderson94** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:10 am

AddiFB wrote:Halftime, Pelicans vs. Magic.

Oladipo with 6pts on 2-5 shooting, 0-0 3PT, 2-4FT. 5 assists, 4 steals, 3 rebounds.

Not TOs, either!

Ayt · Post #75 » by **Ayt** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:13 am

The J Rocka wrote:I caught some of it, but not enough to see all of Giannis's PT. Noticed he picked up 5 personals, which could've had something to do with his opponent going at him strong since Giannis is pretty thin.

However, I noticed he was slow at rotating and struggled when Cavs were running some PnR.

Extremely raw, but surprised me with some of his passes, though I caught one where he just telegraphed it which might have something to do with his 5 TOs, that step-back jumper, and his aggressiveness to get to the free-throw line in 10 attempts.

Crazy he's only 18.

I wouldn't call him "extremely raw" at all other than his understanding on the defensive end. His ball handling certainly isn't extremely raw. His passing certainly isn't extremely raw. His overall understanding of the game certainly isn't extremely raw.

You make him sound like the Diop of SFs. He actually showed a ton of skill in his first game as well as a very good understanding of very basic basketball plays.

Post #76 » by **The J Rocka** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:33 am

Ayt wrote:
The J Rocka wrote:I caught some of it, but not enough to see all of Giannis's PT. Noticed he picked up 5 personals, which could've had something to do with his opponent going at him strong since Giannis is pretty thin.

However, I noticed he was slow at rotating and struggled when Cavs were running some PnR.

Extremely raw, but surprised me with some of his passes, though I caught one where he just telegraphed it which might have something to do with his 5 TOs, that step-back jumper, and his aggressiveness to get to the free-throw line in 10 attempts.

Crazy he's only 18.

I wouldn't call him "extremely raw" at all other than his understanding on the defensive end. His ball handling certainly isn't extremely raw. His passing certainly isn't extremely raw. His overall understanding of the game certainly isn't extremely raw.

You make him sound like the Diop of SFs. He actually showed a ton of skill in his first game as well as a very good understanding of very basic basketball plays.

Fair enough. I didn't mean it like that but it's definitely going to take him some time to fully adjust in terms of making an immediate impact and helping the team win ball games, which is fine because he already has enough skill and he's only 18.

I was the one praising him so I'm definitely not hating on him. Maybe not extremely raw but he's definitely raw, which is expected. He's going to be a great player if he reaches his full potential.

InFlames · Post #77 » by **InFlames** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:28 am

Oladipo 4-9 with 10 pts, 9 ast, 5 reb, 4 stl in 25 mins

blueNorange · Post #78 » by **blueNorange** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:52 am

timmy jr can score

GreenBloodedC · Post #79 » by **GreenBloodedC** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:53 am

I'm here to hype Babb. I do not even know if he is a rookie.
#AboutThatLife #Celtics

Post #80 » by **mrpoetryNmotion** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:01 am

GreenBloodedC wrote:I'm here to hype Babb. I do not even know if he is a rookie.
#AboutThatLife #Celtics

He used to play for my alma mater (before transfering). The guy can shoot it, no doubt.