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Political Roundtable - Part VI

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Post#1281 » by Induveca » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:07 pm

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Induveca wrote:I couldn't get most computer sci kids in the US to work over 8 hours a day the past 6 years. Preferred to pay South Americans to work twice as long for 4 times less with better results. That for sure was not the case in the late 90s. The US work ethic I tech was near manic.


Seriously, Indu? You're really into exploiting workers aren't you? I'm glad--and proud--that you couldn't find many American kids who were willing to work long hours at low wages. Good to see they're smarter than that.


So smart they make significantly less and the US has outsourced due to entitlements. Bravo.

The other kids who have proven themselves to me soon realized they had dozens of contract jobs for tens of thousands of dollars within a year.

People skills, and the ability to read an opportunity go a long way in business.....
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Post#1282 » by DCZards » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:10 pm

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So smart they make significantly less and the US has outsourced due to entitlements. ..


No, outsourcing is the work of business people like yourself who put profits over people. And those "entitlements" you refer to, well, they're an essential part of a social safety net that is one of America's core strengths.
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Post#1283 » by Induveca » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:19 pm

Look in your walls. Chinese pipes.

Your phone, made in China or Korea.

Drywall, Chinese.

Everything in home depot, Chinese.

Your car, Japanese parts. Your woman's clothing.....fabric made in Mongolia or SE asia.

You're a complete hypocrite attacking me as you type to me on your outsourced keyboard, phone or tablet.
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Post#1284 » by barelyawake » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:34 pm

Indy (aka Susan), trust me I know your history more than almost anyone outside of Doc. My point is you can't blather anti-Democratic Party rhetoric for a decade and then claim you are an independent.

And perhaps people worked harder in the 90s (if they did) because there was still a sense that work was rewarded. Bosses weren't undercutting workers' salaries or trying to save a nickel on their health insurance. The dot.com boom meant bosses were handing out stock options like candy. And bosses weren't trying to hire as many temporary workers and interns they possibly could to screw over long term employees. People produce when they feel they are part of a team.
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Post#1285 » by hands11 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:45 pm

It has taken Obama some time to except who he is dealing with but once he learned, he started baking that into the cake. The grand bargain and them excepting the sequester levels instead of negotiating a deal was the final straw. I think even Boehner finally excepted there was no working with the TPs and their is no saving them from themselves. At that point, it was just a matter of letting things run their course.

Obama and Boehner know the TPs wanted to shut down the government. They planned it back in Feb. And why not, McConnell did something similar right after Obama took office. Rs created this monster.

Boehner is a good actor. I think he has continued to play the face of carrying the TPs water, but when the time comes, he is going to cut the rope on the TPs and do what right for America and the world. And in doing so, he will redeem his reputation and standing in history.
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Post#1286 » by hands11 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:49 pm

Obama, Boehner, the Dems and Est R Strategy vs the TPs. Chess vs Checkers. For those interesting and macro strategy, I hope you enjoy the read. Sorry if its a lot in one post. There was a lot to tie together.

For Obama, he agreed to the CR at Rs requested spending level and the Nov 15 date they wanted. That was his compromise and in typical Obama fashion, he caved early. Thats what he has done in the past and they would expect him to do it again. From there, they expect to get more. This was the set up. This time, he wouldn't give more and he said so from the start, but they didn't believe him. Obama know they weren't going to take his offer, but he made a good faith effort in case Boehner wanted to bring the bill to the floor. But Obama's and the Dems hands are clean and to the TPs, this looked like normal negotiations to them. Obama know they TPs would over play their hand so he set them up to do what they could stop themselves from doing. Kind of like AH pulling the chair on Dray the other night. Obama had fully learned who and how this group operates and this time, he was going to use it against them.

The TPs could have excepted his offer and had a victory. Then they could come back to fight the next fight. But that's not how they roll. They either wanted a chunk of the ACA/Obama or they were happy to shut down the gov. They would be happy with either. Thats the red meat they needed for their TP base. They needed an Obama arm or leg. You could count on the TPs not going along with Obama or Boenher lead.

But would Boehner bring it to the floor anyway and get it passed with Dems ? No, the TP either needed to let Boenher finally lead them or he was going to put on his poker face and let them hang themselves. If there is any salvaging them as part of the R party, they needed to see their way doesn't work. If they still didn't learn after that, he is going to have to cut the rope and they can see if they can survive on their own. And its not only Boenher cutting the rope, its the Koch brothers. I'm sure the Koch will fund them enough to keep them alive for rallies like they were in the old days when they were called the evangelicals, but don't expect them to fund them in a way that promotes them holding as many seats. I don't expect Est R are going to get TP primaried like they were in the past. Actually, for the midterms, I expect the opposite. TPs will get primaried by Est Rs using Koch and Wall Street money combined. They will get ride of the FL-Yoho's types.

For Boehner, he tried to get them to focus on the debt ceiling and behind closed door I expect he tried to get them to except the Obama's/Senate CR offer so the gov wasn't shut down. For the good of the R party, I think Boehner knew a government shut down was a terrible idea. It would drag out, lots of people would be affected, and the whole party would be blamed for it, just like the have been. He know what happened last time. He didn't want that. He would have preferred to try a fight be over the debt ceiling. That way the Rs would have clean hands leading into it and could attempt to get something and if they didn't, they could kick the debt ceiling can down the road a few weeks or months and still have clean hands while they hammer out budget talks and try to get something there. They would have been seen as compromising not once but twice and that would have put the pressure on the Dems. Bascially what they are about to get forced to do now, with the upper hand instead of the damage done to their brand. And in all this they took the focus off the poor ACA roll out. Major failure. This is what you have a Speaker. Its because they can lay out a winning strategy. You can't have a minority freshmen in your caucus leading the train.

The debt ceiling was never an item to hold the country hostage over so Boehner needed to get them past the shut down and past the debt limit in a way that turned the focus to the budget talks ( which he and the dems wanted all along ) but in a way that made it look like they were making progress and winning while letting the TPs learn that their way doesn't work. The party wouldn't have suffered much if at all. That was the smarter plan. But they didn't take Boehner up on his offer. It was time for the TPs to storm the castle and their was no stopping them. At that point, Boehner had to start planning for when he would cut the rope if needed.

Now that the TPs have decided to not listen to Boehner, he has to use this to his advantage so this stuff doesn't happen again. He has to save the R brand and his place in history. This is where Boehner has to pin this on the TPs and give the more rational grown up Rs a chance to stand united so people can see there is a different between the two ( even it its not much, its something ). But he needed to wait for orders from the Koch brothers on when to give up on the TPs, tie the bomb to them, and cut the rope so they can split from the crazy TPs from the party and save the R brand so it can rebuild the trust of America and the world. The Koch brothers have a big decision to make. When do they tell Boehner to cut the rope and kill their newly created monster they can no long control. If they wait to long, the entire party is going down along with the country and world with them. I think the Koch brothers choose their billions in hand over a few billion more they could have had. The Frankenstein monster has to be cut lose, and soon.

If we are honest, they have most likely taken this to fair already. I fully expect this to affect our borrowing costs. World markets are watching this stuff and have already started to chime in. If we get another credit downgrade, that would be another tough blow for the Rs if they are tethered to TPs like they still are today. The world needs to see the TPs cut off if trust is to be restored. I think it to late to salvage them.

It important to understand the different parts of the TP funding and the delay in how decisions from the top ripple through to the soldiers. The Koch brothers can change course on a dime in message and funding. But the TPs already in office, those monsters are already created. They will do as programmed as the just did at the value voters summit. Most those people do actually believe what they believe. So if the Koch's and Boehner are on the same page, he will cut them lose in a floor vote in the next few days where all the Dems and all the non TPs group together. Then the Kochs will remove their funding and they some will get elected out when they are primaried by Koch and Wall Streets grouped funding that supports alternative Rs during the mid terms. This will be used as warning shot to the remaining TPs. You can get vocal, but when we say get in line, you get in line.

Would be interesting, maybe frightening, to know what the some of these TPs in the house and Senates real game is. Do they want to throw the world in a tail spin so the end times begin and Jesus returns ? Michele Bachmann is out there selling the end times message. We know Sarah is that type. You have several extreme political born-agains in the TP group. That is part of their purity test. I think some of them would do anything with in their power to have Jesus return now. They think they are doing God will. This is why Dems support a separation of church and state.

I fear the Koch's and Rs have brought the Branch Davidians to congress. That was reckless.

Keep in mind. All of this pain is self imposed. No one attacked us. No storms whipping our a cities. No nuclear plant melt down. No earth quack. Fixing all of this is as easy as signing a piece of paper and doing congress 101. All they had to do was pass the CR to fund the gov until Nov 15th and raise the debt limit so they could get to budget talks in conference. Exactly were we are likely to end up. :roll:

But because of the way the TPs dealt with this, they putt all their chips on the table for one last hand to see if they could continue to bully the president. He know this and pulled the chair on them. It is a suicide pack and I think the Koch brothers set them us to do it once they learned they lost control. The Kochs went for it all and failed, so now they will regroup. Cutting the TPs off isn't something they wanted to do, but they will save what they already have. That's where we are in this poker game. TPs played winner takes all and the Koch brothers are folding to play another hand. On one side you have Obama and the Dems saying, do the congress 101 thing. Sign the CR. Raise the debt limit. Then lets go to budget talks. No more hostage taking. This has nothing to do with us. You got yourselves in this mess, its your job to get yourselves out. Do your job. You want air, stop holding your breath. If the TPs can learn this lesson, like right now, they might be allowed to live. If not, they are done. Koch brother tell Boehner, cut the rope cut. Now.

I expect Monday is the last day they let this play out. Tuesday at the latest, after the market crashes 400-600 pts by then. Vote get brought to the floor and passed with all Dems and all none TPs that are Rs. Thats the rope getting cut.

I expect the debt ceiling to get lifted until say Jan 30th. Nothing more. Then they will get to work on a CR that opens the government until maybe mid Dec ( has to be something different then what they already passed up). That happens over the following week. They go to budget talks after the Rs finally appoint conferencees. Out of the budget talks we get an annual budget, no grand bargain but we get some sequester relief from cuts that kick in Jan 2014, medical equip tax postponed 1 year, a new debt limit that gets us through the mid terms elections. This will also pass with all Dems and Est Rs. Further cutting of the TP rope. They will then get onto immigration reform which might pass before mid terms with both sides trying to claim credit. TPs will spin off and keep the ACA fight going on the sidelines.

Should be interesting to see what the Rs look like going into the mid terms. I think they go into it with new Est Rs running against TPs and running on a balanced budget platform, calling for tax reform. Back to the future. More Paul Ryan stuff only with revenues and defense spending on the table. Dems counter with SS and Medicare reform.

For 2016, Est R will get behind someone like Chris Christy. Combative, tax cuter, but someone who is seen as not bat sht crazy. TPs will run Anne Rand Paul and Cruz. Christy will eat their lunch in the primaries if he enters. The R party will split. TP and evangelicals will not vote for Christy. The divided vote leaves Dems winning in a landslide. Rs lose badly in 2014. If Christy see this, he might not even run.

I made a bunch of predictions like this way before the last election and nailed it pretty good. Lets see how I do this time.
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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1287 » by dckingsfan » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:29 am

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Induveca wrote:
So smart they make significantly less and the US has outsourced due to entitlements. ..


No, outsourcing is the work of business people like yourself who put profits over people. And those "entitlements" you refer to, well, they're an essential part of a social safety net that is one of America's core strengths.


Two things ... I was just working on a project that "insourced" an operation that had been outsourced to India. So, it swings both ways. It is just business, a meritocracy of who ever can do the job better. In this case it is done better in the US and the jobs and technology deployment came back here. I certainly have seen some very dedicated folks on the project - they did what it took regardless of the hours. I just don't see the lack of work ethic.

Second, entitlements are good and essential. I think most Americans agree with that. I think that nearly 2/3s of Americans also agree that you shouldn't spend significantly more that you spend - and entitlements alone are going in that direction. I think the average business guy (like myself) sometimes gets caught up in the messages from Harry Reid - "we can't touch entitlement spending" - even though it is probably just a negotiating tactic to get additional revenues.
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Post#1288 » by hands11 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:53 am

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Induveca wrote:
So smart they make significantly less and the US has outsourced due to entitlements. ..


No, outsourcing is the work of business people like yourself who put profits over people. And those "entitlements" you refer to, well, they're an essential part of a social safety net that is one of America's core strengths.


Two things ... I was just working on a project that "insourced" an operation that had been outsourced to India. So, it swings both ways. It is just business, a meritocracy of who ever can do the job better. In this case it is done better in the US and the jobs and technology deployment came back here. I certainly have seen some very dedicated folks on the project - they did what it took regardless of the hours. I just don't see the lack of work ethic.

Second, entitlements are good and essential. I think most Americans agree with that. I think that nearly 2/3s of Americans also agree that you shouldn't spend significantly more that you spend - and entitlements alone are going in that direction. I think the average business guy (like myself) sometimes gets caught up in the messages from Harry Reid - "we can't touch entitlement spending" - even though it is probably just a negotiating tactic to get additional revenues.


I haven't research it yet but how much if any would immigration reform " legalizing dreamers" help extend the Social Security Program ? Also, doesn't raising the Social Security cut off up from what.. 125K help a bunch ?

Medicare is a healthcare cost and indexing issue and they are already addressing outcomes in the ACA. Should be interesting to see what kind of numbers they get after one year to see if it bends the curve at all. We defiantly need healthcare structural reform. I remember when my great uncles where getting old. They needed a nurse to come back the house vs putting them in assisted care and it wasn't something we found easy to do. Sure would be nice if we get back to basics and get families living closer to each other again. The family safety net has been broken. When my folks group up, the family all lived around each other so everyone pitched in. Now people chatter across the country. That makes things tougher.

People just seem to be a lot more self absorbed.
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Post#1289 » by dckingsfan » Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:07 pm

Yep, it would be really nice if they (both parties) could actually address the real issues we face - I know it is very difficult for politicians to address problems in advance. But the entitlement spending situation is going to really hurt us if we don't do something soon. And we need to reign in total spending as a percentage of the GDP (taking into account that states are spending even more and have lots of hidden debt).

Both parties have to put aside their pet spending projects until we take care of the debt issue. And neither side has the high ground - both parties are responsible for the debt mess we are in.

And addressing healthcare is another sticky mess they need to solve - I don't think that the ACA has any chance of solving it as it stands. And both parties are responsible for that mess as well.
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Post#1290 » by Kanyewest » Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:15 pm

Induveca wrote:Look in your walls. Chinese pipes.

Your phone, made in China or Korea.

Drywall, Chinese.

Everything in home depot, Chinese.

Your car, Japanese parts. Your woman's clothing.....fabric made in Mongolia or SE asia.

You're a complete hypocrite attacking me as you type to me on your outsourced keyboard, phone or tablet.


Electronics China http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-j ... ar-factory
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Post#1291 » by dckingsfan » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:00 pm

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Induveca wrote:Look in your walls. Chinese pipes.

Your phone, made in China or Korea.

Drywall, Chinese.

Everything in home depot, Chinese.

Your car, Japanese parts. Your woman's clothing.....fabric made in Mongolia or SE asia.

You're a complete hypocrite attacking me as you type to me on your outsourced keyboard, phone or tablet.


Electronics China http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-j ... ar-factory


I was trying to figure out his point? Should we boycott the products? Try to change the Chinese government? Try to change Foxconn?

It is a little like global warming - we want to make a change but India and China aren't going to play our game.

We could work on insourcing but then you would have to work with robotics - and then you are reducing the number of touches - essentially the number of people doing the job. And that isn't going to fly with the unions - at least I don't think it would.

Cool that he could point out the problem - even better if he had a solution.
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Post#1292 » by hands11 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:07 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
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Induveca wrote:Look in your walls. Chinese pipes.

Your phone, made in China or Korea.

Drywall, Chinese.

Everything in home depot, Chinese.

Your car, Japanese parts. Your woman's clothing.....fabric made in Mongolia or SE asia.

You're a complete hypocrite attacking me as you type to me on your outsourced keyboard, phone or tablet.


Electronics China http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-j ... ar-factory


I was trying to figure out his point? Should we boycott the products? Try to change the Chinese government? Try to change Foxconn?

It is a little like global warming - we want to make a change but India and China aren't going to play our game.

We could work on insourcing but then you would have to work with robotics - and then you are reducing the number of touches - essentially the number of people doing the job. And that isn't going to fly with the unions - at least I don't think it would.

Cool that he could point out the problem - even better if he had a solution.


Don't buy houses with Chinese drywall ? Wonder how you check for that. Wow, this house is perfect. Love the neighborhood. Can you tell me where the drywall was manufactured ?

Actually there are things you can do. They have to do with trade agreements and tariffs. But you have to find the right balance. On one side, less expensive stuff manufactured somewhere else can be a benefit. Less cost means people have more disposable income to use on other things. But, if they are undercutting important industries here because they are treating people like slaves and polluting the environment, well those cost show up in other way, they are just more hidden.

Its complicated. Not sure there was a point to bringing this up.
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Post#1293 » by Induveca » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:11 pm

What's the vibe on the street in downtown DC? Euronews and Skynews showing "police brutality" in front of the white house on protesters. From the 10 seconds I saw it was about 100 people and cops clubbing 5 or 6 of them.

Seemed like an overreaction by the news over here, but American news does it everyday to most other countries crises so it was interesting.

Off topic but if any if you have seen "locked up abroad" on national geographic the British version of the show is fascinating (still national geographic interestingly). I've seen a few episodes of Brits locked up in Arizona and Florida. It was depicted as the 3rd world compared to western European prisons.

Another interesting perspective. I'm sure they're on YouTube.
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Post#1294 » by hands11 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:44 pm

Induveca wrote:What's the vibe on the street in downtown DC? Euronews and Skynews showing "police brutality" in front of the white house on protesters. From the 10 seconds I saw it was about 100 people and cops clubbing 5 or 6 of them.

Seemed like an overreaction by the news over here, but American news does it everyday to most other countries crises so it was interesting.

Off topic but if any if you have seen "locked up abroad" on national geographic the British version of the show is fascinating (still national geographic interestingly). I've seen a few episodes of Brits locked up in Arizona and Florida. Another interesting perspective. I'm sure they're on YouTube.


All I saw was on fella being aggressive to a cop and the cop basically brushing his arms away and just standing his ground.

[YouTube]http://www.infowars.com/riot-police-use-force-against-elderly-vets-outside-white-house/[/YouTube]

Who is cornered in this video? They have them pinned against the fence. Camera people everywhere as the vets are the initiates. They wanted the cops to retaliate so they would have some good footage. Just another typical TP propaganda stunt that was an attempt to get something bad to happen so they could get outraged over it. And more up is down, down is up ... double talk. Shut down the government, then blame the Dems for closing the monuments.

WWII vets shouldn't be used as symbolic props for political reasons, as they use vets as symbolic props for political reasons.

Then they go on to say the Lincoln Memorial wasn't closed last time, only I just posted a picture yesterday on another site showing it actually was closed last time.

Who support the troops more, Dems. Rs support more wars. Look it up. Rs reject programs to support vets all the time.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/1 ... p-Veterans

Look, all the Rs do is play game and spread disinformation. All the time. Its so extreme that is hard to actually wrap you brain around. There are a handful that don't but you hardly ever hear from them. Its so much, it just wears you down over time. Thats what they are counting on. The ADD culture getting confused. And they are always moving the target.

I forget. Why should the Dems give up stuff in this process again ? What are the Rs giving up ?
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Post#1295 » by Wizardspride » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:41 pm

To all those who say there's no racism in the Tea Party/opposition to Obama, I hope you saw the rally at the WH.

:banghead:

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Post#1296 » by hands11 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:25 pm

Wizardspride wrote:To all those who say there's no racism in the Tea Party/opposition to Obama, I hope you saw the rally at the WH.

:banghead:


I hadn't heard it was racist but you got me looking it up on the google.

Someone brought the wrong flag.

http://americablog.com/2013/10/tea-part ... kenya.html

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Looks like someone had to cram that "S" in that sign after the fact.

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pa ... lx93D80UoA

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Sarah and Cruz are like Don King promoting a fight and themselves. How do TPs not spot this type .. one after another.

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/mi ... lx_DD80UoA

The Million Vet March, held yesterday at Washington, D.C.’s national monuments and landmarks, including the World War II Memorial and the Lincoln Memorial, was hijacked by Sarah Palin, Senators Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, and the Tea Party, according to the March’s founders.

Complaining on their website that the “political agenda put forth by a local organizer in Washington DC was not in alignment with our message,” Brats for Veterans Advocacy Group — the group that created the Million Vet March — write:

We feel disheartened that some would seek to hijack the narrative for political gain. The core principle is about all Americans honoring Veterans in a peaceful and apolitical manner.

:roll: Sarah and Cruz is disgusting.

Ok, try to absorb this for a moment. The brought rebel flag to the white house. Wow. That's F'd up in so many ways I don't even know where to start. We are these honorable non ahole vets ? Why did no one stand up to those people and tell them his is no place for flags like that.
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Post#1297 » by Wizardspride » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:36 pm

Hands11, it was worse than that.

The speakers at the rally said many "interesting"things about the President.

Such as: He prays to Allah.

He's the President of "his people" ie, Black people etc etc.


Yeah, no racism in the Tea Party.

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Post#1298 » by hands11 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:43 am

A friend posted this on facebook. Enjoy.

Dylan Ratigan ... I fresh voice in politics.

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My only objection is I think the Dems are trying to fix this stuff as much as he can. Only its not so easy to do when you don't have a partner on the other side. Not only do they not have a partner, they have the exact opposite. And you can't get everything you want all at once, you have to be in power to actually make a difference and Obama had to get us out of the wood first. He also had to make it to a second term. And we see where he is with that give the other party. Its like a 50 mph headwind dealing with the other side. Once we get past where are right now, I wouldn't put it by Obama and push for some of this stuff. He has already talked about the infrastructure bank which I am a fan of and he wanted a grand bargain.

For those that see Liberals as tree huggers, this is what a pissed off liberal looks like. Ralph Nader used to go off like this.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv74YD05LaI[/youtube]
In this one, its sounds like he is talking about the TPs as well when he is talking about Muslim radicals.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugz4DFzdUOY[/youtube]
I ask again. Don't libertarians and liberals have a lot in common when it comes to this kind of stuff.

The Dem who figures out how to communicate his message and wins the non war non corruption libertarians will have a Reagan moment like when he got the evangelicals to join the Rs. This is where I see the a branch of non racist non gay fearing TPs would fit in a Dem tent. And it not even with the moderates, if with the left wing. Think about the people called liberals for a sec. They are establishment power challengers. So were the occupy wall street people. So are true libertarians.
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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1299 » by hands11 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:01 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x7o0sNrulg[/youtube]

Interesting insiders take. Listen long enough and he gets to how MSNBC isn't the same as Fox. I always found that claim to be total BS.

Again, its about challenging power. Cenk keeping it real.
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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1300 » by fugop » Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:29 am

Induveca wrote:Look in your walls. Chinese pipes.

Your phone, made in China or Korea.

Drywall, Chinese.

Everything in home depot, Chinese.

Your car, Japanese parts. Your woman's clothing.....fabric made in Mongolia or SE asia.

You're a complete hypocrite attacking me as you type to me on your outsourced keyboard, phone or tablet.


For what it's worth, I've become somewhat obsessive about this over the last few years. I'm gut rehabbing a house in Kentucky, and have been able to source every major building material to within 500 miles. There are many domestic manufacturers, from insulation to board materials to appliances.

http://www.nationalgypsum.com/about/locations.htm
http://www.buildgp.com/Georgia-Pacific-Gypsum
http://www.thermafiber.com/Home/AboutThermafiber
http://www.foamglas.us/building/home/
http://www.geappliances.com/heat-pump-hot-water-heater/

I also built a computer with as many parts as possible manufactured in North America. There are a few things you can't get, but a surprising amount of stuff available. Supermicro motherboard, Micron/Crucial SSD, Micron RAM, Intel processor. I couldn't find a reasonable domestically manufactured case (went with Silverstone FT02), and there aren't any major graphics chips produced in NA, until the Global Foundries NY plant fires up, which should be happening about now.

TI OMAP processors are mostly manufactured in North Americas, and Qualcomm chips are generally produced by Global Foundries.

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