ESPN player rankings: Nets players

therealbig3 · Post #61 » by **therealbig3** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:30 am

Hmm, Dirk makes the list at #26...meaning Noah and Hibbert are ranked over him as well.

LOL, so Dirk isn't a top 25 player anymore, but Noah and Hibbert are. This is frikin crazy. At this point, I just want to see the ridiculous rankings they give some of these players.

jeff1624 · Post #62 » by **jeff1624** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:38 am

Apparently John Wall, Kyrie Irving > Dirk as well. :rolleyes:

DrazenForThree · Post #63 » by **DrazenForThree** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:19 pm

dirks coming off an injury plagued season and is up there in miles. those types are always going to slip in these kinds of rankings.

that said, hibbert should be in the 50's. top 20 is absurd for him. noah at 19-25 seems about right.

BrooklynTruth · Post #64 » by **BrooklynTruth** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:27 pm

jeff1624 wrote:I knew Hibbert and Noah wer gonna be higher. Disgusting. I could accept Noah, but Hibbert isn't a better player and is only being treated as such because of his series against Miami.

no question hibbert was inconsistent and underachieved last season. but i see a player with a greater floor impact than lopez has at the present time, especially in the playoffs. i am hoping that changes, ie that lopez is able to elevate his game in this year's playoff run. one thing that would help would be if lopez somehow strengthened his grip on the ball-- this may be the down side of having good soft hands-- and finished better.

therealbig3 · Post #65 » by **therealbig3** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:00 pm

Noah is #23...Bosh is #24...

And Kobe is ranked #25.

Noah ranked ahead of Bosh and KOBE! Wow.

I'm skeptical of how good Kobe can be returning from his injury...but he's better in his sleep than Noah. A healthy Kobe is a top 5-10 player in the league. An injured Kobe is probably top 15-20. He's easily better than Noah.

DrazenForThree · Post #66 » by **DrazenForThree** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:54 am

hibbert ahead of bosh and noah? really?

gross.

kobe at 25? straight hate

Paradise · Post #67 » by **Paradise** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:04 am

Hibbert at #22, John Wall at #21. This list is just straight up embarrassing.

DrazenForThree · Post #68 » by **DrazenForThree** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:17 pm

Paradise wrote:Hibbert at #22, John Wall at #21. This list is just straight up embarrassing.

the worst is yet to come.

Paul George top 10?

therealbig3 · Post #69 » by **therealbig3** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:17 pm

Deron at 20.

Which means Paul George is going to rank ahead of him.

I find John Wall at 21 to be pretty hilarious.

DrazenForThree · Post #70 » by **DrazenForThree** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:58 pm

therealbig3 wrote:Deron at 20.

Which means Paul George is going to rank ahead of him.

I find John Wall at 21 to be pretty hilarious.

paul george better then dwill?

geroge should have been in the mid 30's

jeff1624 · Post #71 » by **jeff1624** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:18 am

I love Al Horford since he's probably the best dominican born basketball player ever... but he is NOT a top 20 player and he's definitely not better than Dirk or Bosh. I saw Al get dominated/outproduced by Ike Diogu last summer when Nigeria eliminated the D.R. IKE DIOGU (shout out to E) It was an embarrassing display.

DarkXaero · Post #72 » by **DarkXaero** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:13 am

jeff1624 wrote:I love Al Horford since he's probably the best dominican born basketball player ever... but he is NOT a top 20 player and he's definitely not better than Dirk or Bosh. I saw Al get dominated/outproduced by Ike Diogu last summer when Nigeria eliminated the D.R. IKE DIOGU (shout out to E) It was an embarrassing display.

I dont think international play should account into these rankings if they're NBA rankings. And at this point, statistically, there isn't a huge difference between Bosh and Horford.

jeff1624 · Post #73 » by **jeff1624** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:26 am

DarkXaero wrote:
jeff1624 wrote:I love Al Horford since he's probably the best dominican born basketball player ever... but he is NOT a top 20 player and he's definitely not better than Dirk or Bosh. I saw Al get dominated/outproduced by Ike Diogu last summer when Nigeria eliminated the D.R. IKE DIOGU (shout out to E) It was an embarrassing display.
I dont think international play should account into these rankings if they're NBA rankings. And at this point, statistically, there isn't a huge difference between Bosh and Horford.

Why shouldn't it?

Horford disappeared completely against a nothing team like Nigeria. When he was given the ball he couldn't do anything at all and was embarrassed defensively against Ike Diogu who scored against him at will.

You would think a top 20 player would dominate clearly inferior players. As for Bosh, he's a much better scorer while being a really similar rebounder/defender.

DrazenForThree · Post #74 » by **DrazenForThree** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:35 am

jeff1624 wrote:I love Al Horford since he's probably the best dominican born basketball player ever... but he is NOT a top 20 player and he's definitely not better than Dirk or Bosh. I saw Al get dominated/outproduced by Ike Diogu last summer when Nigeria eliminated the D.R. IKE DIOGU (shout out to E) It was an embarrassing display.

this list is for the nba. what happend in nigeria is pretty irelevant. and ill take horford over bosh, hibbert, and lopez 100 times out of 100.

DrazenForThree · Post #75 » by **DrazenForThree** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:36 am

jeff1624 wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
jeff1624 wrote:I love Al Horford since he's probably the best dominican born basketball player ever... but he is NOT a top 20 player and he's definitely not better than Dirk or Bosh. I saw Al get dominated/outproduced by Ike Diogu last summer when Nigeria eliminated the D.R. IKE DIOGU (shout out to E) It was an embarrassing display.
I dont think international play should account into these rankings if they're NBA rankings. And at this point, statistically, there isn't a huge difference between Bosh and Horford.

Why shouldn't it?

Horford disappeared completely against a nothing team like Nigeria. When he was given the ball he couldn't do anything at all and was embarrassed defensively against Ike Diogu who scored against him at will.

You would think a top 20 player would dominate clearly inferior players. As for Bosh, he's a much better scorer while being a really similar rebounder/defender.

because its a different league with different rules on a different court

serp · Post #76 » by **serp** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:36 am

Kyrie is still out there too isn't he ? While i love Irving he hasn't played 60 games in a season yet and wasn't even close to playoffs so far. Don't think he's Top15 yet.

Also why hasn't Kevin Love fallen more after basically missing the whole last year. And it's not like he actually won anything yet.

jeff1624 · Post #77 » by **jeff1624** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:51 am

DrazenForThree wrote:
jeff1624 wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:I dont think international play should account into these rankings if they're NBA rankings. And at this point, statistically, there isn't a huge difference between Bosh and Horford.

Why shouldn't it?

Horford disappeared completely against a nothing team like Nigeria. When he was given the ball he couldn't do anything at all and was embarrassed defensively against Ike Diogu who scored against him at will.

You would think a top 20 player would dominate clearly inferior players. As for Bosh, he's a much better scorer while being a really similar rebounder/defender.

because its a different league with different rules on a different court

Oh please... Dirk would have dominated that game. The Toronto version of Chris Bosh would have had a field day against Nigeria as well. The whole "This is the NBA, everything else is irrelevant" argument is bs... basketball is basketball. You'd think a top 20 player would have left their mark on that game despite the "different rules" instead of being a c

In my opinion, to be a top 20 player in this league you either have to be elite offensively, as in having the ability to create your own shot (which horford can't do on a consistent basis) whenever you have to, be an elite defensive player while still being a good scorer and/or being the absolute best player at a certain skill (rebounding, shot blocking, passing) while being good/ok at other things. Horford is a third option at best on a contender. He won't ever be a defensive anchor, nor does he excell at anything. He's a solid player. One I would love to have, but he isn't a top 20 player in this league.

For all the criticism Paul George's potential ranking gets, his inclusion into the top 20 is a lot more defensible.

DrazenForThree · Post #78 » by **DrazenForThree** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:54 am

jeff1624 wrote:
Oh please... Dirk would have dominated that game. The Toronto version of Chris Bosh would have had a field day against Nigeria as well. The whole "This is the NBA, everything else is irrelevant" argument is bs... basketball is basketball. You'd think a top 20 player would have left their mark on that game despite the "different rules" instead of being a c

In my opinion, to be a top 20 player in this league you either have to be elite offensively, as in having the ability to create your own shot (which horford can't do on a consistent basis) whenever you have to, be an elite defensive player while still being a good scorer and/or being the absolute best player at a certain skill (rebounding, shot blocking, passing) while being good/ok at other things. Horford is a third option at best on a contender. He won't ever be a defensive anchor, nor does he excell at anything. He's a solid player. One I would love to have, but he isn't a top 20 player in this league.

For all the criticism Paul George's potential ranking gets, his inclusion into the top 20 is a lot more defensible.

its a different game, its not the same. the rules are VERY different. there is a reason some guys fare much better while others much worse in international play. its why euro teams with marginal talent can give a us team a run for their money.

true zone defenes, a lan that widens at the hoop, different court dimensions, different rules on timeouts, officiated differently with contact etc.

and there is no way in hell paul george is better then horford, or even in the same stratosphere. george is the most overated player the sport has seen in some time.

therealbig3 · Post #79 » by **therealbig3** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:04 am

Yeah, FWIW, Tim Duncan struggled mightily in FIBA...but he's clearly one of the best players to ever play in the NBA.

I don't see how pointing to someone's international play is valid, since it's their production in the NBA that matters. Al Horford is an excellent player who is a double double machine and plays very good defense. He's not really close to being a superstar, so top 20 probably is overrating him, and he's not elite at any one thing, but he's very good at pretty much everything.

He probably should have been top 25 in our list now that I think about it.

Post #80 » by **NyCeEvO** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:57 am

therealbig3 wrote:He probably should have been top 25 in our list now that I think about it.

I thought he did make it.

If he didn't, I know he was at least an honorable mention.
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