Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread

ballislife · Post #181 » by **ballislife** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:06 am

I wouldn't mind a deal with the Bucks if we really suck... or if we look like a really mediocre team come December/January. If we're not that good after about 20 games, we should start up the tank and get it rolling with this:

Toronto in: Antetokounpo / Knight / Udoh / Butler (waived)

Bucks in: Gay / Lowry

I think it helps both teams this season if we go the tank route. G-Po looks like a legit player for the future. We'd suck enough to have a top 5-10 pick... and if we luck into Wiggins, we can look to deal Po in the future... his potential is pretty damn good with his size/length and abilities. The Bucks would easily make the playoffs with Lowry/Mayo/Gay/Ilyasova/Sanders with Butler (assuming we waive him and he re-signs there)/Henson/Ridnour coming off their bench.

djsunyc · Post #182 » by **djsunyc** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:37 pm

simple: rudy for ben gordon + filler + future pick

Drakeem · Post #183 » by **Drakeem** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:44 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Boston gets Demar Derozan and Kyle Lowry

Raptors gets Rajon Rondo and Courtney Lee

With this Boston gets a very young promising SG for their rebuilding, as well as Lowry who's a solid PG in his prime who could also be used as an expiring if Boston decides to go that way

Raptors get an All Star level point guard who can sit out for most of the year and help the tank go through so by next year we can have a core of Rondo + Draft Pick + Jonas. However, we do have to take back the salary of Lee to be fair, but he will help contribute to the tank with him being garbage.

This also leaves you Rudy Gay and Ross who can used to nab Monroe, expirings so we can get free agents to add to the core, etc.

sogood · Post #184 » by **sogood** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:35 pm

Drakeem wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Boston gets Demar Derozan and Kyle Lowry

Raptors gets Rajon Rondo and Courtney Lee

With this Boston gets a very young promising SG for their rebuilding, as well as Lowry who's a solid PG in his prime who could also be used as an expiring if Boston decides to go that way

Raptors get an All Star level point guard who can sit out for most of the year and help the tank go through so by next year we can have a core of Rondo + Draft Pick + Jonas. However, we do have to take back the salary of Lee to be fair, but he will help contribute to the tank with him being garbage.

This also leaves you Rudy Gay and Ross who can used to nab Monroe, expirings so we can get free agents to add to the core, etc.

Not bad but Gerald Wallace would probably be included in any trade involving Rondo.

ballislife · Post #185 » by **ballislife** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:59 am

sogood wrote:
Drakeem wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Boston gets Demar Derozan and Kyle Lowry

Raptors gets Rajon Rondo and Courtney Lee

With this Boston gets a very young promising SG for their rebuilding, as well as Lowry who's a solid PG in his prime who could also be used as an expiring if Boston decides to go that way

Raptors get an All Star level point guard who can sit out for most of the year and help the tank go through so by next year we can have a core of Rondo + Draft Pick + Jonas. However, we do have to take back the salary of Lee to be fair, but he will help contribute to the tank with him being garbage.

This also leaves you Rudy Gay and Ross who can used to nab Monroe, expirings so we can get free agents to add to the core, etc.

Not bad but Gerald Wallace would probably be included in any trade involving Rondo.

I would look to trade DeRozan/Lowry/Fields and the Knicks 2016 first for Rondo and Wallace. We'd have a legit team next year with Rondo/Ross/Gay/Amir/JV with 2014 Rookie/Wallace/Novak/Hansbrough off the bench. Depending on who we draft next year, that kid might also start.

The only way I see it happening is if DeMar takes a big step forward this season, and if the Celtics actually look to get younger and acquire assets by trading Rondo with Wallace's contract. They're going to want a lot for him though.

TheFreshPrince · Post #186 » by **TheFreshPrince** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:00 am

Literally just threw this together:

From Toronto: Gay, DeRozan, Lowry (exp)
To Toronto: Rondo, Humphries (exp), Wallace

We essentially re-start a rebuild with Rondo and JV.

From Boston: Rondo, Humphries (exp), Wallace
To Boston: Monroe (S&T), Ross, Stuckey (exp), Villanueva (exp)

Rondo has said he wants to stay in Boston, but losing could change his mind. They move forward with Monroe, Ross, Bradley, Green and their 2014 picks. Plus, they shed Gerald Wallace's 3 year deal.

From Detroit: Monroe (S&T), Stuckey (exp), Villanueva (exp)
To Detroit: Gay, DeRozan, Lowry

If they don't want to re-sign Monroe they can trade him for value. They were rumoured to offer us this package for Gay, which we rejected. Except this time they get DeRozan and Lowry.

cammac · Post #187 » by **cammac** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:31 am

Toronto trades Gay and Handsbrough for TT, Karsey and Bynum.
Bynum is useless but has a buyout this year I believe before the end of December.

lRapsGMl · Post #188 » by **lRapsGMl** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:55 am

I was wondering what you guys believe it takes for a team to trade a #1 pick in a hyped up draft. Not necessarily just for the Raptors, but in terms of value around the league.

I don't really know what value GMs put on 1st overall selections.

If we were somehow able to trade for a 1st round pick during the season, or even better a lottery pick we might have enough.

Gay, Ross and Hansbrough for Greg Monroe (extended at $9-10M), Charlie V. + next years draft pick. ?? Might be farfetched, I am just throwing out possibilities so don't kill me on this proposal

Valanciunas, our 1st pick this year + 2015, NYKs 1st + two 2nd rounders, and DETs 1st Rounder. That is 6 draft picks (not the highest of picks but has value) and to top it off you include Val who is already thought to have great potential.

Lowry/Buycks/Augustine
Derozan/FA/Stone
Wiggins/Fields/Acy
Amir/Villanueva/Acy
Monroe/Gray

Also, which NBA team to win the lottery would be the most beneficial to us in terms of a trade for the pick?

Post #189 » by **Schad** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:06 am

Valanciunas, our 1st pick this year + 2015, NYKs 1st + two 2nd rounders, and DETs 1st Rounder.

Setting aside the Gay trade (he isn't worth that much, and Detroit doesn't even have their first rounder anymore, having shipped it to Charlotte), Valanciunas is the most valuable piece there...the rest would be late-lotto or playoff firsts, plus two seconds.

Effectively, that's a grab-bag; for a team to trade the first overall pick, they need more than a variety of fairly-useful bits, they need something or someone who themselves has a good likelihood of exceeding the value of the first overall pick, because no one wants to be the GM that traded away a superstar on rookie-scale for a bunch of future rotation players and a single good starter.

We don't have such a thing, and have no means to acquire such a thing. Thus, we have absolutely no way of getting the first pick unless via tanking.

lRapsGMl · Post #190 » by **lRapsGMl** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:17 am

Schadenfreude wrote:

Effectively, that's a grab-bag; for a team to trade the first overall pick, they need more than a variety of fairly-useful bits, they need something or someone who themselves has a good likelihood of exceeding the value of the first overall pick, because no one wants to be the GM that traded away a superstar on rookie-scale for a bunch of future rotation players and a single good starter.

We don't have such a thing, and have no means to acquire such a thing. Thus, we have absolutely no way of getting the first pick unless via tanking.

I definitely see where you are coming from. Maybe if Valanciunas were able to raise his level of play by the trade deadline he could have a lot of value. I also think those 6 picks could be tradeable assets for that team to pick up a few quality starters by bundling them with other players.

In the long run those assets could pan out. All-Star Centre, and a couple quality starters.

BballFever1 · Post #191 » by **BballFever1** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:32 pm

Highly doubt whoever gets the first draft pick this year is going to be trading that away especially when there is so much hype with Wiggins!

timdunkit · Post #192 » by **timdunkit** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:37 pm

BballFever1 wrote:Highly doubt whoever gets the first draft pick this year is going to be trading that away especially when there is so much hype with Wiggins!

So much hype, so much media attention and so much potential money to make.

You don't trade Wiggins unless Durant is being offered (just saying ... Lebron can opt out at the end of the year).

snomeister · Post #193 » by **snomeister** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:58 pm

A lot. The last time it was done was when Chris Webber was drafted and then traded for the number 3 pick in the draft, which was Penny Hardaway, and 3 future firsts. We don't have a package that can top that.

If we somehow could get a trade to go, JV would obviously be the centre piece but I don't even know if I would want that because then we would have nothing at the 5. If we had drafted Drummond we probably could have traded him in a package for the first overall....

grumpwalter · Post #194 » by **grumpwalter** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:02 pm

JV would have to go, AND we would also have to take a burdened salary back (i.e. Tyrus Thomas)

Jtoneller1 · Post #195 » by **Jtoneller1** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:01 pm

Toronto: Rudy Gay, Terrence Ross
Charlotte: Ben Gordon, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

or

Ben Gordon, Ramon Sessions, +1 of their 2014 first rounders

TheFreshPrince · Post #196 » by **TheFreshPrince** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:50 pm

snomeister wrote:A lot. The last time it was done was when Chris Webber was drafted and then traded for the number 3 pick in the draft, which was Penny Hardaway, and 3 future firsts. We don't have a package that can top that.

If we somehow could get a trade to go, JV would obviously be the centre piece but I don't even know if I would want that because then we would have nothing at the 5. If we had drafted Drummond we probably could have traded him in a package for the first overall....

Huge reality check. Thanks BC.

Loso04 · Post #197 » by **Loso04** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:22 am

I really wonder what Masai would have done with our roster if we did not trade for Rudy & Lowry. I also would have preferred to trade down and take harkless instead of ross. With a ton of cap space and who knows where our roster would have ended up, but at least would of owned our own pick in the 2013 draft.

Jose
DeRozan
Harkless
Davis/Amir
Val

Troubadour · Post #198 » by **Troubadour** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:26 am

All of the possible Rudy Gay landing spots (as far as I can tell)

Milwaukee Bucks
Trade: Rudy Gay, Quincy Acy
Return: Caron Butler (expiring), Ekpe Udoh (expiring), Giannis Antetokounmpo

We get a guy with a great last name. Jonas and Caron Butler have to play together. Lots of expirings. Milwaukee makes a panic trade to make the playoffs.

Sacramento Kings
Trade: Rudy Gay
Return: Jason Thompson, John Salmons (UNG)

Jason Thompson is actually not a bad player and he's on a reasonable contract. John Salmons can be waived. Sacramento was about to sign Igoudala, so they're not exactly shying away from taking on veteran talent.

Portland Trailblazers
Trade: Rudy Gay
Return: Nicolas Batum, Joel Freeland

This is a move Portland makes to keep Aldridge. Nothing more, nothing less. Batum's contract is also a little bloated and at least a year longer than Gay's.

Dallas Mavericks
Trade: Rudy Gay
Return: Shawn Marion, Vince Carter, Renaldo Balkman, Jae Crowder

Here's my favourite deal. Shawn Marion AND Vince Carter come home. Jae Crowder is also a nice piece. Mavericks make this move because of the whole zig-zag philosophy Cuban was talking about over the summer.

TheGoodDoctor · Post #199 » by **TheGoodDoctor** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:35 am

^The deal including Giannis is by far the best option probably also unlikely; although who knows with MIL since it seems they just don't wanna give up. The kid looks like he has all the offensive potential of Gay but far more defensive potential and may be a better passer.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0aPXO2UwLY[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXycv5xoT9E[/youtube]

Only 18 years old... by the definition on his arms it looks like he could also fill out...with so much time to develop it's scary to think how he can turn and to think Colangelo cost him in the draft.

Jtoneller1 · Post #200 » by **Jtoneller1** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:37 pm

Give me your take on this scenario. After the first two months of the season, the Raps have surprised many by being over five hundred. The starting lineup is excellent defensively and is showing improved efficiency offensively by leading the league in FTAs. Ujiri decides to move forward with Lowry, DeRozan, Gay, and JV as the "core" (I know how unpopular this line of thinking is). Gay opts out and resigns a five year deal worth $ 60 million. Lowry signs for 5 years and $35 million. Around the same time, Milwaukee is floundering at the bottom of the Eastern conference. Their back court of inefficient, volume shooters is struggling to incorporate their bigs and they decide to tank for a stacked draft. The one thing Toronto is missing from the starting lineup is a floor spacer. Ilyasova is one of the better "stretch 4s" in the game and actually rebounds/play defence. Ujiri offers this trade:

Toronto: Amir Johnson, Terrance Ross, 2016 First Round Pick (NYK)
Milwaukee: Ersan Ilyasova

Why for Toronto? They could the perfect compliment to their starting wings and address a major weakness in their starting lineup without losing much defensively. Ilyasova can draw defenders away from the rim, giving Rudy and DD less obstacles on their way to the rack. JV gets more room to operate in the paint.

Why for Milwaukee? They are currently on the outside-looking-in in terms of the Eastern playoff race. In order to secure a high pick in the draft, they need to ship out one of their best, highest-paid players. Amir Johnson would give them a high-energy four-man who could start or come of the bench for Henson (who now gets more PT to develop). Terrence Ross is a high-upside pick who could see lots of time behind Mayo. The first-rounder helps with the rebuild project.

Toronto Lineup:

PG: Lowry/Buycks
SG: DeRozan/Fields
SF: Gay/Novak
PF: Ilyasova/Hansbrough
C: Valanciunas/Gray

Milwaukee Lineup: (Tanking)

PG: Knight/Ridnour
SG: Mayo/Ross
SF: Butler/Delfino
PF: Henson/Johnson
C: Sanders/Pachulia