Otto Porter

deneem4 · Post #401 » by **deneem4** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:40 am

Hopefully hes eating and getting bigger... hes been out since the summer he should be gaining more weight and working on his arms, hes way too small to play at pf maybe even sf, might have to come off the bench at sg like durant did his 1st season considering we hhave ariza webster anf rice jr who can play that position...

Our development staff hsve to learn from other teams as far as treating younger players...beal gsme developed from wall, not coaching not in game estrength in strictly from wall, u can even see in the way beal drives to the basket it looks wall'ish...with otto hes different hes alot bigger, slower with less explosiveness and athleticism... our coaching staff need to step it up...

I understand why they wanted him at sg during summer league, I think tht should continue with him coming off the bench behind beal for the timr being, let him be a spot up, if he can perfect an open jumper over smaller players he can keep that mentality with bigger defenders, once h3 becomes that deadeye dhooting threat you transition him to sf, there he work on his driving vs slower players he also has a height advantage vs most defenders in this position,loses on strength but he should be quicker...

Otto needs to model his game after durant, whether hes a sees/wants his self to be a scorer or defender the worst case scenario is being a defensive rudy gay, hes not strong or big enough to be a deng, but with the right offensive game he can be a mini durant

Durins Baynes · Post #402 » by **Durins Baynes** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:45 am

Otto modelling his game on Durant is pretty ridiculous. It's not realistic.

deneem4 · Post #403 » by **deneem4** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:56 am

Durins Baynes wrote:Otto modelling his game on Durant is pretty ridiculous. It's not realistic.

Beal modeling his game like harden would've sound ridiculous this time last yr...but look at him now...
Paul george thinking about being on lebrom level would sound ridiculous bavk then. ..

How can trying to model your game after the best in your size range be ridiculous? ??

If wittman tells porter he can be as good as ty prince instead of durant, what type of faith are u instilling in him??
Ok coaches tell playrrs they can be good...good coaches tell players they can be the best...unrealistic or not trying to be kevin durant wont make him a bad player...the worst it can do is make him want to shoot better...being next to a shooter with one of the best forms in the nba is even more inspiring...

Basketball is about confidence is u ever played it...skill evolves from that....pratice solidifies skills...otto have a chance to be kevin durant hes physically there...if he can hit his open jumpers and post jumpers, he'll be our kevin durant..

Durins Baynes · Post #404 » by **Durins Baynes** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:04 am

Beal was basically always projected as another Harden. That's why Presti was so keen on trading actual Harden for him on draft day, because he wanted a cheap replacement. Their skill set is very similar. Meanwhile Otto Porter's game in college was nothing even remotely like Durant. He would look so comical trying to copy Durant- it's not his game, and it would actually hurt his development. Basketball is about being realistic too, and knowing your abilities and playing up to them. Once upon a time someone told Blatche he should play like Dirk or KG. How did that work out for him?

deneem4 · Post #405 » by **deneem4** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:16 am

And look at blatche now...put up a 22per last yr...
porter game was limited by his team offense in college...he wasnt a go to scoring option...he didn't play point forward, porter upside is undetermined he had small tasks on offense and excel in every one of them...given more opportunity what makes you think he wont develop further??

Durins Baynes · Post #406 » by **Durins Baynes** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:53 am

Look at Blatche... he's bounced around mostly unwanted by teams, and his crowning achievement is he has been a decent spark plug off the bench...

deneem4 · Post #407 » by **deneem4** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:54 pm

A per of 22 isn't a decent sparkplug and the nets is his 2nd team

Post #408 » by **nate33** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:41 pm

Durins Baynes wrote:Beal was basically always projected as another Harden. That's why Presti was so keen on trading actual Harden for him on draft day, because he wanted a cheap replacement. Their skill set is very similar. Meanwhile Otto Porter's game in college was nothing even remotely like Durant. He would look so comical trying to copy Durant- it's not his game, and it would actually hurt his development. Basketball is about being realistic too, and knowing your abilities and playing up to them. Once upon a time someone told Blatche he should play like Dirk or KG. How did that work out for him?

I don't have a problem with Porter modeling his game after Durant. I think there are a lot of similarities. Both are extremely long and wiry players who have good ball handling skills for their size. Athletically, they're not that different. The thing that makes Durant so special isn't his size or athleticism, it's that he happens to be one of the best shooters in the game. I don't see Porter approaching that level of shooting accuracy, but it's possible that he becomes a "poor man's" Durant.

tontoz · Post #409 » by **tontoz** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:53 pm

Durant could always shoot off the dribble, something Porter struggles with.

deneem4 · Post #410 » by **deneem4** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:33 pm

I had doubts about porter...wanted to trade the pick and trade him, heck il still giv him up for cousins or tobias harris(he would b perfect for us) but after seeing the team play these 4 games I thinks hes our link...if he can hit open jumpers and score from high post (seraphin bailout man) he can fit our offense perfectly...

I see wall as our rose, beal as our harden and I want porter to be our durant,
To make any playoff noise wall and beal have to average around 20 each, wall can get 8 from the line with ease...
Between those 2, 1 have yo put up 25...I hope both can do it but atleast 1 hsve to
Wall averaged 18 last yr...I want to see that this yr...if not more
Beal going to average 20+ I vsn guarantee that
We dont have too many other scoring options...thats where porter comes in
whether low post high post pick and pop or open jumper I see porter succeeding,
Thats whst we need right now and that's what durant does best...tht also happen to be what porter did in college

jivelikenice · Post #411 » by **jivelikenice** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:35 pm

nate33 wrote:
Durins Baynes wrote:Beal was basically always projected as another Harden. That's why Presti was so keen on trading actual Harden for him on draft day, because he wanted a cheap replacement. Their skill set is very similar. Meanwhile Otto Porter's game in college was nothing even remotely like Durant. He would look so comical trying to copy Durant- it's not his game, and it would actually hurt his development. Basketball is about being realistic too, and knowing your abilities and playing up to them. Once upon a time someone told Blatche he should play like Dirk or KG. How did that work out for him?

I don't have a problem with Porter modeling his game after Durant. I think there are a lot of similarities. Both are extremely long and wiry players who have good ball handling skills for their size. Athletically, they're not that different. The thing that makes Durant so special isn't his size or athleticism, it's that he happens to be one of the best shooters in the game. I don't see Porter approaching that level of shooting accuracy, but it's possible that he becomes a "poor man's" Durant.

Exactly. I don't see him approaching that level, but from Otto's perspective he sees similarities w/ Druant. Athletically Durant didn't test great. Otto also doesn't have Durant length but is pretty long and at his age could still grow a little. The difference is the shot; Otto's shot improved greatly last year but Durant has range from anywhwere inside half court and while Otto has some ball handling ability, he needs to show he can get to the hoop off the dribble. Point is a guy like Durant should be the model Otto strives for....

jivelikenice · Post #412 » by **jivelikenice** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:15 pm

Just read that Otto is being evaluated on Monday after the team gets back from Lexington. Hopefully if that goes well he can start practicing....

Upper Decker · Post #413 » by **Upper Decker** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:36 pm

Otto Porter is to Durant as N1 is to Kobe Bryant. Both Porter and Durant are tall and skinny, but that's were the comparison ends because Durant is longer and taller and is one of the top 10 shooters in NBA history. He's a top 30 player all time. Porter is closer to Calbert Cheaney than he is to Durant. Durant can get away with be average athletically because he is the best shooter in the game today, probably has the quickest release I've ever seen, and can shoot over anyone. If Durant was simply an above average shooter would his career be any different than Al Harringtons?

mhd · Post #414 » by **mhd** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:50 pm

I think Gianis well be a much better player than Otto. I wonder if that Ersan+15 for 3+filler deal was ever feasible.

payitforward · Post #415 » by **payitforward** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:27 pm

mhd wrote:I think Gianis well be a much better player than Otto. I wonder if that Ersan+15 for 3+filler deal was ever feasible.

No one -- no one at all and certainly not you -- has any way to know whether Giannis will be better than Porter or even whether he'll be an NBA player at all. Crystal ball statements like that are worse than useless in thinking about trades.

mhd · Post #416 » by **mhd** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:32 pm

payitforward wrote:
mhd wrote:I think Gianis well be a much better player than Otto. I wonder if that Ersan+15 for 3+filler deal was ever feasible.

No one -- no one at all and certainly not you -- has any way to know whether Giannis will be better than Porter or even whether he'll be an NBA player at all. Crystal ball statements like that are worse than useless in thinking about trades.

Well, Giannis in his limited pre-season PT has been much more impressive than Otto was in SL. Again, I hope Porter does well, but there are serious concerns about him. According to Chad Ford, the reason why we passed on Noel was b/c we wanted to make the playoffs this season. It was assanine to take Porter if that was the rationale. If Porter was healthy, he'd still be behind Ariza & Webster in the rotation and would get very limited PT. If they wanted an immediate contributor, they should have taken Zeller (whom I was wrong about in my pre-draft opinions while Ruzious was right).

nuposse04 · Post #417 » by **nuposse04** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:38 pm

Porter will never be the scorer that Durant is. He may end up with a better assist:TO ratio then Durant but he still won't be able to create as much for his teammates, ever.

I do think Porter's shooting will translate well. He can be a very good to elite 3 pt shooter if he puts in the work, and he still has a frame that can add significant weight. His ISO game is far off though and he is better served in catch and shoot situations, or quick one step moves. I think Leonard is a better comparison right now. They both rebound well and take good shots. He should have better playmaking ability then leonard though (although supposedly Leonards handling has improved this offseason).

payitforward · Post #418 » by **payitforward** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:52 pm

mhd wrote:... they should have taken Zeller (whom I was wrong about in my pre-draft opinions while Ruzious was right).

In fairness to you, and with respect in Ruzious' direction -- and with a "sigh" -- no one knows (not you, not me, not Ruzious, no one) whether Zeller will be a better player than Porter. Or better than Giannis. Or *anything* about how good or bad he'll be.

I'm not saying anything very profound here! E.g., how good an NBA career would you say Anthony Randolph is having? He was the MVP of the SL the year he was drafted.

mhd · Post #419 » by **mhd** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:07 pm

payitforward wrote:
mhd wrote:... they should have taken Zeller (whom I was wrong about in my pre-draft opinions while Ruzious was right).

In fairness to you, and with respect in Ruzious' direction -- and with a "sigh" -- no one knows (not you, not me, not Ruzious, no one) whether Zeller will be a better player than Porter. Or better than Giannis. Or *anything* about how good or bad he'll be.

I'm not saying anything very profound here! E.g., how good an NBA career would you say Anthony Randolph is having? He was the MVP of the SL the year he was drafted.

But, according to Ford, the rationale for taking Porter was that he'd contribute day 1. How is he going to contribute if he doesn't have an NBA body, and is behind two vets in Ariza & Webster for PT? At least Zeller had nobody in front of him for PT. If Zeller were on this team right now, he'd be getting 32 MPG at the minimum.

Post #420 » by **montestewart** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:09 pm

mhd wrote:
payitforward wrote:
mhd wrote:I think Gianis well be a much better player than Otto. I wonder if that Ersan+15 for 3+filler deal was ever feasible.

No one -- no one at all and certainly not you -- has any way to know whether Giannis will be better than Porter or even whether he'll be an NBA player at all. Crystal ball statements like that are worse than useless in thinking about trades.

Well, Giannis in his limited pre-season PT has been much more impressive than Otto was in SL. Again, I hope Porter does well, but there are serious concerns about him. According to Chad Ford, the reason why we passed on Noel was b/c we wanted to make the playoffs this season. It was assanine to take Porter if that was the rationale. If Porter was healthy, he'd still be behind Ariza & Webster in the rotation and would get very limited PT. If they wanted an immediate contributor, they should have taken Zeller (whom I was wrong about in my pre-draft opinions while Ruzious was right).

I can't comment on Porter vs. Giannis (I have no idea who Giannis is) and I don't have enough information to start worrying too much about Porter. I remember a lot of worry about Beal the first couple of months last year. He seems to be doing fine.

If Porter was seriously drafted as part of a "playoffs now" push (event though his position was already two deep), and if the Wizards passed on Noel because they were concerned that his recovery/development would prevent him from contributing to "playoffs now," then I have serious concerns about the Wizards brain trust. Oh wait, I already had them.

What if Philadelphia, led by Noel, made the playoffs before the Wizards did? Would you fire EG then Ted?