LeBron startled by hypocrisy of KG, PP leaving Celtics

[15th overall]

Hey Zeus Christ, you must think pretty highly of yourself. Look it up on your own if your jonesin for the truth so bad, no one here owes you anything. There's no elaborate conspiracy to pull a fast one on you here, pal. We're not all sharing a collective hallucination here and the reported info was NOT a weather balloon.

It happened (the report, at least). Deal with it.

[Durins Baynes]

You may have read it somewhere, but that doesn't mean it was credible or even true. Already one of the posters above admits he doesn't remember how much Ray asked for, and couldn't swear it was $12 mill.

[SuperDeluxe]

You may have read it somewhere, but that doesn't mean it was credible or even true. Already one of the posters above admits he doesn't remember how much Ray asked for, and couldn't swear it was $12 mill.

That would be because it doesn't matter? Who cares if it was 12 or 10? It simply was MUCH MORE than the Celtics' best offer, and certainly MUCH, MUCH, MUCH MORE than the money Ray ended up taking from Miami.

Like someone above already said, no one here owes you anything. If you are hoping that anybody here wastes their online time to find you "proof" that the report exists, you must live in a fantasy world where people have nothing to do. Or maybe you're a 10-year old kid from South Korea -- not that there would be anything wrong with that.

[15th overall]

Now your hanging onto a non commital response by a single person? Man, you are all over the place here.

[Durins Baynes]

This thread is full of posters who disagree about Ray Allen's actions. Central to that question is the terms he was offered (and in turn asked for) to stay. Like some others posting here, I do not judge Allen negatively for his actions, and do not believe for a second he asked for too much money. He's a smart and reasonable guy, it seems unlikely it happened. I never remember reading anything credible to that effect either, so if you're going to tell me I'm wrong you should back it up with something.

And yes, astoundingly being a 10 year old does imply certain things about your credibility, or lack thereof (in all sorts of situations), just as the source might. Was this an ESPN report citing insiders? Was it a local newspaper? Was it a direct quote? Was it some blog guy giving his 2 cents? Or was it even said at all?

[Bar Fight]

Anyone read this article: http://nba.si.com/2013/10/18/kevin-garn ... ray-allen/ ?

Just a reminder how clueless national sports journalists are.

[SuperDeluxe]

And yes, astoundingly being a 10 year old does imply certain things about your credibility, or lack thereof (in all sorts of situations), just as the source might.

So what is it? Do you live in a fantasy world? Or you are 10?

[StojkoVrankovic]

You may have read it somewhere, but that doesn't mean it was credible or even true. Already one of the posters above admits he doesn't remember how much Ray asked for, and couldn't swear it was $12 mill.

Cool man, you won. Please exit the message board and collect your prize

[Durins Baynes]

You know, I am noticing a trend. I will make a balanced and logical post, asking something reasonable. In response you, or another poster in this thread, will make a purely negative remark in response, ignoring the initial question. Someone might wonder about the double standard in fact.

I will ask again- do you have proof of this claim or not? And if you don't, can you please stop saying it happened.

And don't try playing the "I don't have that sort of time, I'm a man about town!" card again. You seem to have time to post negative remarks over and over, surely you'll save more time long term if you just show me this article you keep citing.

[DijonRondo]

Ray owed nothing to the Celtics, but he owed everything to his brothers, KG and Pierce, and the Celtics FANS.

KG and Pierce were the ones who told Ainge to stop the Grizzlies trade, and now he turns his back on them?! (IIRC) The Celtics probably would have made the finals if they had Mayo playing sixth man too.

KG didn't only just do what was best for him, he did what was best for the Celtics organization, because without him, the Celtics wouldn't have gotten the return that they got. Lebron didn't say anything that was reasonable, and anyone who agrees with him is beyond me.

That is an incredibly ridiculous point. Allen was a free agent who used his free agent powers to go to a place he thought was best for his family and his career. It's his right to go to a place he wants instead of re-signing with an organization that was going no where and had repeatedly tried to trade him over the years. Pierce and Garnett did not leave for the benefit of their franchise - they were under contract and could be traded by the Celtics management. Celtics management traded Pierce and KG for the benefit of the franchise, not for the benefit for the players. They didn't even want to be traded, but the Celtics did it anyways (well, they traded Pierce and when it was obvious they were rebuilding KG agreed to waive his no-trade clause because he wanted to be paid instead of retire and he didn't want to stay on a team that was rebuilding. This is the guy who 'bleeds green' btw). Allen isn't brothers with KG and Pierce, he doesn't owe anything to them just like neither of them owe anything to each other. To try to assert otherwise is just being ridiculous and emotional. As the ridiculousness of the responses in the Celtics board has shown the past year, Allen certainly doesn't owe the "fans" anything.

It's not really Lebron exposing the hypocrisy of Garnett and Pierce (even if they did act very foolish when Ray signed with the Heat) but rather exposing the hypocrisy of NBA fans. Fans are hyper emotional and don't really care about the players but rather themselves and their team. Let's assume that Allen re-signed with the Celtics last summer - he would have been on a bad team going no where and would now have been traded somewhere he did not want to be (when he could have just signed with whoever he wanted had he gone the free agent route). Do you think any of the Boston fans would bemoan Celtics management for not being loyal to Allen? Of course not, they would have wanted to get rid of him and get anything in return because "he doesn't fit with the rebuilding year". Basically, Celtics fans are upset at Allen because he had the audacity to go somewhere he wanted to go instead of stay on a sinking ship with management that had tried to trade him (actually, HAD traded him) to a place he didn't want to go.

In the end, Garnett and Pierce are the ones who look the most foolish and Allen looks the most justified. He went to a team that won the championship and his Game 6 shot has become timeless and will be replayed every June during the NBA Finals. The Celtics got one more year of ticket sales out of Pierce and Garnett and were able to get out of their contracts and get some relief for their eventual rebuild. Garnett and Pierce, however, were screwed. They wanted to retire as Celtics but management viewed them as disposable and traded them just like they tried to trade Allen several times (and would have done again this year if Allen had resigned with them).

You must be really naive to think that Ray Allen left Boston for his career and his family. Seriously, that doesn't make any **** sense at all. No one has a problem with him leaving the Celtics, that's not the point that we're making. He had several other teams to choose from, and there were two that he wasn't "allowed" to join, or his legacy would have been shattered in Boston, and he decided to do it anyway.

I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your (Please Use More Appropriate Word) post. Have a good day.

[SuperDeluxe]

I will ask again- do you have proof of this claim or not? And if you don't, can you please stop saying it happened.

I will say it again: no one here needs to show you "proof", and it looks like no one will. Your attitude is not helping. We read the articles, it was 2012. No one seems to have saved a link back then, likely because no one anticipated Agent Durins Baynes coming to the forum asking for "proof" of its existence or it didn't happen.

You seem to be overly interested in digging up the whole truth about this matter, yet you refuse to do the field work. This thread has gotten to the point that you look more interested in riling people up than in finding out about this crap. It smells like trolling, and the stench is pretty foul.

[DijonRondo]

Hey, ****.

http://boston.sbnation.com/boston-celti ... gency-news

But according to a league source, Allen's request from the Celtics went beyond the pale - reportedly a demand for a three-year, $27 million contract. The Celtics, according to the source, were in the process of attempting to talk Allen down from $9 million to $6 million per year. (via Boston Herald)

[SuperDeluxe]

Hey, ****.

http://boston.sbnation.com/boston-celti ... gency-news

But according to a league source, Allen's request from the Celtics went beyond the pale - reportedly a demand for a three-year, $27 million contract. The Celtics, according to the source, were in the process of attempting to talk Allen down from $9 million to $6 million per year. (via Boston Herald)

And here is the source article: http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_ ... ooses_heat

But, but... You guys said $12 million!

[Geoffrey P]

He also turned down a $5 million/year deal with Memphis (full MLE). Hope I don't need to go back and find my source 'cause I'm too lazy.

[Durins Baynes]

Hey, ****.

http://boston.sbnation.com/boston-celti ... gency-news

But according to a league source, Allen's request from the Celtics went beyond the pale - reportedly a demand for a three-year, $27 million contract. The Celtics, according to the source, were in the process of attempting to talk Allen down from $9 million to $6 million per year. (via Boston Herald)

$9 mill a year is less than $12 right? Sounds like you were wrong. What's amazing is you are presenting this material with a "F#@$ yeh" attitude, as though this proved you right, when it shows you were wrong all along. Pretty ballsy. You do get that this wasn't like some hard demand either, you were in the process of negotiations, and they broke down. It doesn't say who walked away first or what the reasons were. It certainly doesn't support your claim that Ray Allen demanded $12 mill a year (which was always obviously wrong, because I know Allen is not that deluded).

[StojkoVrankovic]

Hey, ****.

http://boston.sbnation.com/boston-celti ... gency-news

But according to a league source, Allen's request from the Celtics went beyond the pale - reportedly a demand for a three-year, $27 million contract. The Celtics, according to the source, were in the process of attempting to talk Allen down from $9 million to $6 million per year. (via Boston Herald)

And here is the source article: http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_ ... ooses_heat

But, but... You guys said $12 million!

Right, but can you prove this in a court of law? If not, please stop using these links as proof

[DijonRondo]

Hey, ****.

http://boston.sbnation.com/boston-celti ... gency-news

But according to a league source, Allen's request from the Celtics went beyond the pale - reportedly a demand for a three-year, $27 million contract. The Celtics, according to the source, were in the process of attempting to talk Allen down from $9 million to $6 million per year. (via Boston Herald)

$9 mill a year is less than $12 right? Sounds like you were wrong. What's amazing is you are presenting this material with a "F#@$ yeh" attitude, as though this proved you right, when it shows you were wrong all along. Pretty ballsy. You do get that this wasn't like some hard demand either, you were in the process of negotiations, and they broke down. It doesn't say who walked away first or what the reasons were. It certainly doesn't support your claim that Ray Allen demanded $12 mill a year (which was always obviously wrong, because I know Allen is not that deluded).

What the ****? When have I ever said that he asked for a 12 mil per year request?

The point of the link was to show how **** lazy you were in pretending to be a detective.

6 million per year was already WAY WAY WAY too generous, and he asks for 9 mill per year with an extra year? He'd be 40 years old coming off an injury, before his contract ended.

Of course, then he signs with the arch enemies for a fraction of that. I think the point has been proven that Allen wasn't as honest as he was with this whole "oh the Celtics didn't have any legitimate urgency in wooing me" charade.

[SuperDeluxe]

He also turned down a $5 million/year deal with Memphis (full MLE). Hope I don't need to go back and find my source 'cause I'm too lazy.

Really? I don't remember reading that. Would he have started in Memphis, or would he have been a sixth man?

Right, but can you prove this in a court of law? If not, please stop using these links as proof

This made me laugh hard

[Durins Baynes]

This was the claim in dispute.

Cant find one because google's flooded with this very story right now but it's out there. If I remember right, Ray's counter offer was $12 million per.. and then he bolted to the team that knocked him out of the ECF for the vet minimum.

Guy's not only "classy" and "loyal" but "competitive" as well. The total package.

I call bull on Ray demanding $12 mill. Ray's not an idiot. Heck, he negotiated one of his Milwaukee contracts without an agent (he just hired a lawyer to do the paper work). No way did he ask for $12 mill per. That's just absurd.

It was reported by multiple sources. The Celtics offered him $6 million per season, and he "counter-offered" $12 million/year because he knew the Celtics couldn't and wouldn't do it. Then he turned around and signed a deal with the Heat for $3 million/year if I recall correctly.

Get your facts straight before "calling bull".

So yeh, I don't get how posting a link showing he asked for less than $12 mill (at one point in the negotiations, not as a final demand) is supposed to be a "F#@$ you" comeback, when it backs up my incredulity all along.

[SuperDeluxe]

This was the claim in dispute.

Cant find one because google's flooded with this very story right now but it's out there. If I remember right, Ray's counter offer was $12 million per.. and then he bolted to the team that knocked him out of the ECF for the vet minimum.

Guy's not only "classy" and "loyal" but "competitive" as well. The total package.

I call bull on Ray demanding $12 mill. Ray's not an idiot. Heck, he negotiated one of his Milwaukee contracts without an agent (he just hired a lawyer to do the paper work). No way did he ask for $12 mill per. That's just absurd.

It was reported by multiple sources. The Celtics offered him $6 million per season, and he "counter-offered" $12 million/year because he knew the Celtics couldn't and wouldn't do it. Then he turned around and signed a deal with the Heat for $3 million/year if I recall correctly.

Get your facts straight before "calling bull".

So yeh, I don't get how posting a link showing he asked for less than $12 mill (at one point in the negotiations, not as a final demand) is supposed to be a "F#@$ you" comeback, when it backs up my incredulity all along.

Maybe you should've chosen a different post to quote, like this maybe:

You may have read it somewhere, but that doesn't mean it was credible or even true. Already one of the posters above admits he doesn't remember how much Ray asked for, and couldn't swear it was $12 mill.

That would be because it doesn't matter? Who cares if it was 12 or 10? It simply was MUCH MORE than the Celtics' best offer, and certainly MUCH, MUCH, MUCH MORE than the money Ray ended up taking from Miami.

Troll.