Pistons/Cavs 7:00pm

[pistontr]

jerebko is useles in this roster. charlie v should play more.

[Q00]

except PG, you need two shooters to creat space. even one shooter + shooting PG does not work.

2 shooters are enough. look at the grizzlies, they have only one shooter (conley) and it works out for them

yes, 2 shooters are enough.
Conley + Gasol are 2 shooters.


I do not understand why Mo Cheeks refuses to at least practice simplistic basic coaching strategies. It all starts with the mix of players you put on the floor. If you can't make good decisions there, there's no hope for progress.

Its not fair to fault Cheeks for lineups right now when he's without 2 of his top 3 guards. I hate seeing Bynum out there, but its not like he has any other options in terms of shooters right now. So I'm guessing his thinking is just to put the best/mmost proven scorers out there and try to get by best as possible for now.

I think you are underestimating Cheeks' Xs and Os ability too. You can't be the starting PG on a championship team as a player and mulitple time all-star without understanding the game and knowing Xs and Os. Also if you look at his teams in Portland and Philly they were top 10 in scoring in 5 of his 8 seasons as coach. Philly was as high as 3rd in scoring one year. Portland as high as 7th. Its not like this is Michael Curry we are talking about - some scrub SF who made a career out of being an energy/defensive guy. Cheeks knows offense. I think we just have to give him time to get all his pieces on the court so he can put in his system.

[E-Z]

Yes, blame the coach when the roster is clearly a hot mess.

[ComboGuardCity]

Kcp hasn't earned anything yet and hasn't proven he's a better shooter than anyone. You can't justify him starting yet.

[Cowology]

Kcp hasn't earned anything yet and hasn't proven he's a better shooter than anyone. You can't justify him starting yet.

+1

I'm rooting for KCP as much as anybody, but if we're judging his shot on what he's done through camp/pre-season then it's not good enough to warrant these sorta "he can defend and shoot!" arguments. Give him some time and hopefully he'll be the guy we want him to be, but he's not there yet.

And as much as I hate to say this, CV should be playing ahead of JJ. Right now Jerebko is an energy/hustle player who doesn't really have a role on this team. He doesn't excel at anything in particular and doesn't really fit with the rest of the roster. But I'm not sure either guy should really be seeing the court. I think I'd rather just go small.

We really do need a solid 4th big who can at least make a consistent 16-18 footer. A Dice clone would be perfect.

[vic]

2 shooters are enough. look at the grizzlies, they have only one shooter (conley) and it works out for them

yes, 2 shooters are enough.
Conley + Gasol are 2 shooters.


I do not understand why Mo Cheeks refuses to at least practice simplistic basic coaching strategies. It all starts with the mix of players you put on the floor. If you can't make good decisions there, there's no hope for progress.

Its not fair to fault Cheeks for lineups right now when he's without 2 of his top 3 guards. I hate seeing Bynum out there, but its not like he has any other options in terms of shooters right now. So I'm guessing his thinking is just to put the best/mmost proven scorers out there and try to get by best as possible for now.

I think you are underestimating Cheeks' Xs and Os ability too. You can't be the starting PG on a championship team as a player and mulitple time all-star without understanding the game and knowing Xs and Os. Also if you look at his teams in Portland and Philly they were top 10 in scoring in 5 of his 8 seasons as coach. Philly was as high as 3rd in scoring one year. Portland as high as 7th. Its not like this is Michael Curry we are talking about - some scrub SF who made a career out of being an energy/defensive guy. Cheeks knows offense. I think we just have to give him time to get all his pieces on the court so he can put in his system.

Putting the most talent/best players out there when only 1 of them are shooters is a strategic error in today's NBA, especially an NBA that is not 1983 and zone style defenses are played. There is no excuse for this.

There are 5 uninjured outside shooting threats to choose from. They don't have to make 50%, they just have to be a known threat to stand out there and have to be guarded before they heat up:

Billups
KcP
Singler
CV
Harrelson

Not putting at least 2 of these guys on the floor at all times is a coaching error. We just played 2 of the best defensive coaches in the league: thibodeau and brown - Cheeks was exposed and there's no other way to see it.

[Warspite]

the danger here i see is that Mo Cheeks doesn't seem to know how to win a basketball game from the coaches chair

How could you consistently put out a team with only 1 shooter on the floor? It limits the passing opportunities, which creates turnovers, and makes it harder for the bigs to score when they do actually get the ball.

It’s like he’s playing chess with half his pieces, and he’s in love with the pawns.

It’s not rocket science, you need at least 2 three point threats on the floor at all times. Even with injuries, there are several to choose from:
Billups
KCP
Singler
CV
Harrelson

Make sure that 2 of these guys are in play at all times, and the game is easier for everyone. Even if they aren’t making them, the threat makes it easier for your penetrators and posts. I don’t understand how he doesn’t understand this.

Yes its just preseason but basic coaching strategy should be easy to attempt.

This is the most typical post on RealGM Pistons board. Somehow all of the Pistons coaches who have ever been hired are not as intelligent as the avg Pistons fan.

This same exact post was written about Larry Brown and I would suspect would be written about Phil Jackson, Red Auerbach, Riley and Holtzman if they ever coached for the Pistons.

I will never understand how the dumbest coach in basketball is always the Pistons head coach.

I dont get it. Its the friggen pre season. Your trying to experiment with your personal without giving away your playbook. Your not supposed to run any of your good sets in pre season and no sets if you can help it.

[hoophabit]

the danger here i see is that Mo Cheeks doesn't seem to know how to win a basketball game from the coaches chair

How could you consistently put out a team with only 1 shooter on the floor? It limits the passing opportunities, which creates turnovers, and makes it harder for the bigs to score when they do actually get the ball.

It’s like he’s playing chess with half his pieces, and he’s in love with the pawns.

It’s not rocket science, you need at least 2 three point threats on the floor at all times. Even with injuries, there are several to choose from:
Billups
KCP
Singler
CV
Harrelson

Make sure that 2 of these guys are in play at all times, and the game is easier for everyone. Even if they aren’t making them, the threat makes it easier for your penetrators and posts. I don’t understand how he doesn’t understand this.

Yes its just preseason but basic coaching strategy should be easy to attempt.

This is the most typical post on RealGM Pistons board. Somehow all of the Pistons coaches who have ever been hired are not as intelligent as the avg Pistons fan.

This same exact post was written about Larry Brown and I would suspect would be written about Phil Jackson, Red Auerbach, Riley and Holtzman if they ever coached for the Pistons.

I will never understand how the dumbest coach in basketball is always the Pistons head coach.

I dont get it. Its the friggen pre season. Your trying to experiment with your personal without giving away your playbook. Your not supposed to run any of your good sets in pre season and no sets if you can help it.

Don't try and hand me that rational stuff! The Pistons have lost two preseason road games in a row. Clearly, this season is lost!

[vic]

the danger here i see is that Mo Cheeks doesn't seem to know how to win a basketball game from the coaches chair

How could you consistently put out a team with only 1 shooter on the floor? It limits the passing opportunities, which creates turnovers, and makes it harder for the bigs to score when they do actually get the ball.

It’s like he’s playing chess with half his pieces, and he’s in love with the pawns.

It’s not rocket science, you need at least 2 three point threats on the floor at all times. Even with injuries, there are several to choose from:
Billups
KCP
Singler
CV
Harrelson

Make sure that 2 of these guys are in play at all times, and the game is easier for everyone. Even if they aren’t making them, the threat makes it easier for your penetrators and posts. I don’t understand how he doesn’t understand this.

Yes its just preseason but basic coaching strategy should be easy to attempt.

This is the most typical post on RealGM Pistons board. Somehow all of the Pistons coaches who have ever been hired are not as intelligent as the avg Pistons fan.

This same exact post was written about Larry Brown and I would suspect would be written about Phil Jackson, Red Auerbach, Riley and Holtzman if they ever coached for the Pistons.

I will never understand how the dumbest coach in basketball is always the Pistons head coach.

I dont get it. Its the friggen pre season. Your trying to experiment with your personal without giving away your playbook. Your not supposed to run any of your good sets in pre season and no sets if you can help it.

Way to ridicule that straw man you made up. Serves him right.

[MotownMadness]

A lot of overreacting going on over some damn preseason games .

[Q00]

Putting the most talent/best players out there when only 1 of them are shooters is a strategic error in today's NBA, especially an NBA that is not 1983 and zone style defenses are played. There is no excuse for this.

There are 5 uninjured outside shooting threats to choose from. They don't have to make 50%, they just have to be a known threat to stand out there and have to be guarded before they heat up:

Billups
KcP
Singler
CV
Harrelson

Not putting at least 2 of these guys on the floor at all times is a coaching error. We just played 2 of the best defensive coaches in the league: thibodeau and brown - Cheeks was exposed and there's no other way to see it.

I get what you're saying about needing 2 shooters on the court, and I agree in theory, but the reason he put his most talented players out there together with only 1 shooter is because had no other shooters to choose from, so he just went with his most talented instead.

He's not going to start CV or Harrelson over Dre/Moose/Smith, so that eliminates CV and Harrelson as options from your list right from the start. Not to mention CV is shooting 20% from 3 and Harrelson is the 15th man. KCP is shooting 19% from 3, and 25% overall. So he doesn't belong on any list of shooters right now either. Billups was already starting, so take him off the list of options - he can't start at two positions. That leaves Singler, who I guess Cheeks could've started over Bynum, but he had already seen Singler start the last 3 games, so maybe he just wanted to get a look at the Billups/Bynum combo that game instead for future reference. Which is what the preseason is for, to experiment.

If that's Cheeks "getting exposed, fine whatever.

The fact is we have 4 perimeter shooters on this team right now - Billups, Jennings, Singler, and Datome. Two of them are not available. So unless you want Billups/Singler to play 48 minutes together in the preseason, I;m not sure what else you expect Cheeks to do.

[Clarity]

I guess you didn't watch last night's game against the Bulls. I would kill (not really) to get Thibs as our coach.

no, I was just live posting the entire game watching another game.

[pistontr]

why does lebron play at PF position. because they were easy to defend. they had 3 superstars in starting line up but could not execute a decent offense.

[MrBigShot]

LeBron basically plays every position. He does things that a center, PF, SF, SG and PG do. Defend wing players? Check. Defend Pgs? Check. Defend bigmen? Check. Rebound? Check. Be the main plamakyer? Check. Post up? Check. Be the main ball handler? Check. Be the bigman in the P&R? Check.

He does it all...I think the majority of their issues came from the fact that Wade/LeBron had redundant skill sets. In order for DWade to be a superstar, he needs to dominate the ball. The issue is...Lebron is better. Now Wade scores most of his points off cuts and in transition, which is why he had such a high FG%.