Jazz and Hayward moving in on near max deal?

[Jazzfan12]

Heard first strong rumbles this weekend that Gordon Hayward, like Derrick Favors, will indeed get extension from Jazz before Oct. 31 buzzer

Jazz won't go any farther publicly than acknowledging talks ongoing but I'm told deal -- if completed -- will be richer than Favors' deal

The max is 4/62 and Favors got 4/49 with incentives that could move it up so this might be nearing the max.

[king everything]

If Gordy gets the max, does it make enes the odd man out? I think no, because worst case, I think favors contract is pretty tradeable. I need more detailed brains than mine in this thread to break down cap ramifications...


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[Winglish]

Gordon Hayward will not get a max deal. He's a good player. Not great. Good.

[idajazz]

if they max out gordo I will be very didappointed. he is good but not a max player.

[pickIBL]

damn better hope he's wrong because that's overpaying.

12.25 Favors
6 Kanter
2.5 Burke
3.2 Burks
1.8 Evans
1.6 Lucas
1.1 Gobert
3.7 2014 3rd Pick
1.1 2014 22nd pick (GSW)
33.25 million before the new Hayward contract

So if Hayward get's paid 14 million or something crazy that sucks.

[StocktonShorts]

Bigger deal than Favors'?

Not good.

[blackham9258]

Let him earn it this season. If his agent believes he is worth more than $9M per year he is crazy. I like Hayward but he will be facing for the first time this year the 1st string offense and defense as the #1 option. $12+ is money given to first options. Make him prove it at the efficiency we want to see.

If he does it great, decide then with Wiggins/Parker or some other wing in tow if it is wise to actually match this offer. This kind of contract is the quickest way to sign your way to mediocrity. If we are going to build a championship contender we can't pay a 3rd or 4th option player to be #1.

[cjs55]

I think Hayward deserves the same deal as Favors, it's just that Favors got overpaid. They both should have got about 4/44. I think Hayward is underrated as hell, and is going to prove that to people this season.

[Matt007b]

mmm.. sounds like big news is headed our way here soon...

holy smokes..I'm hearing rumors of a 5 year max deal above favors...

[blackham9258]

Gordon will not be getting an offer over $11M per in the off-season. Who is going to give it to him. Celtics will usually be the first team out of peoples mouths.... Really with Jeff Greene and Wallace eating up wing /SF minutes? Not likely. Boston will likely end up in the top 5 and will be looking for a player at the wing to be its next Paul Pierce. They are still years away and aren't in a position to overpay to become mediocre... Ainge is too smart for that.

Most teams who might... and I stress might be interested in Haryward are they really going to be in a rush to overpay a non-allstar? No, and it is more likely that they will draft a wing this year that they will build around rather than overpay for someone elses non-allstar wing.

Gordon Hayward is not a championship piece... He is a complimentary piece. Is LAL going to pay for an above average SF? No way. They will go gang busters for Lebron and then when he decides to stay in Miami or return to Cleveland are they going to please their fan base with Haryward? No.

Bring it Board: Who is going after Hayward at $11M
Portland-no
Phoenix-maybe but the draft may preclude them and the whole point that you don''t go for a middling FA when you still suck.
LAC-No
Mem-No capped
SA-No capped
Houston-no capped and parsons
Dallas-close to capped
Minny-no capped
Denver- no capped
NOLA- no capped
Atl- no capped
Sac-no mostly capped with upcoming wing
OKC-capped
NYC-capped
Was- capped beal on the way etc
Tor-capped gay wont opt out
Charlotte-Maybe, but would hayward go play there.. no
BKL-capped
IND- capped
Mil- Capped
CHi- capped
CLE- capped and waiting for lebron
Orl- drafting wings and have them in the stable already Harkless, Tobias, Oladipo, Afflalo
Phi- maybe, but who will they be drafing
Det- capped

So to review you are left with the very unlikely "MAYBE" scenarios of: Boston, Charlotte, Philly Phoenix, and maybe throw in a surprise or two. But really this new CBA doesn't lend itself to overpaying for players unless they are superstars. I like Gordon but he is no superstar and won't be getting that kind of money and interest. If you look over the last 2 years what big money contracts have been handed out to wings who aren't allstars or changed teams?

Tyreke Evans and Iggy are the only guys I can think of. Tyreke was wildly overpaid and everyone scoffed at that contract.. NOLA is nuts. Iggy apparently wanted to leave and that was that and he got less than $12 per as an allstar and olympian. He could have had that offer in Denver but chose to leave. Batum I guess got an offer from Minnesota but was overpaid too. I guess you could count smaller deals like Mayo and Kevin Martin. But the more I think about it if Gordon won't accept $8-$9M per let him test FA. My bet is he will find the water cold like Pekavic did. His best cast scenario is $10M per in the offseason and that is only if he doesn't get exposed this season and see his numbers slip.

Don't overpay to become a mediocre team. I want to keep Hayward as a Jazz man for a long time, I don't want to spend 5 years lamenting another AK type contract that ties our hands to mediocre results.

[The59Sound]

"Richer" could be a reference to a 5th year.

[blackham9258]

One other what if to throw out there for Gordon and everyone to think about:

His competition in the offseason:

Paul Peirce
Luol Deng
Danny Granger
Chandler Parsons
Draft-Wiggins
Draft-Parker
Draft
Draft
Draft
Draft
Draft-Glenn Robinson
There are at least 6-7 stud wings coming into this draft to consider.
Rudy Gay if he opts out
Lebron if he opts out
Carmelo will opt out

Where will Gordon land in this pecking order with Charlotte? Philly? Phoenix? LAL? Boston?

Where?

Lindsay better stay firm on this because its just not there for Hayward.

[The59Sound]

Chandler Parsons will not be a free agent. And Hayward will easily be more sought after than Danny Granger of all people.

[blackham9258]

Its a value proposition. If you can pay Granger 3/24 still in his prime for similar production to Haywards request of 4/56 what would you do. Same with every other question. Gordon has a ton more than Favors to prove.

Favors is the defensive anchor similar to Chandler and Noah... Hayward put up nice efficient stats against 2 string competition, and when he played with the first unit he did it as the guy benefiting from the guy (Al Jefferson) who got the double team.

I love Gordon but I would not be surprised if his 3 point shooting falls below 40 to somewhere around 36% and his Fg % around 39-41%. Remember last year he was at 43% with half his time against 2nd string players and with Al on the court. This year as the #1 focus I think he steps back a bit and loses money on that next contract.

[Reckless]

Max deal already? Let the kid prove himself worthy, I can't agree with throwing out money like that.

[Durins Baynes]

I'll believe it when I see it.

[roll]

No reason for the Jazz for now.

[Inigo Montoya]

"Richer" could be a reference to a 5th year.

i might be wrong, but i think you can't give a player a 5th year without it being a max contract, according to the new CBA.

[roll]

"Richer" could be a reference to a 5th year.

i might be wrong, but i think you can't give a player a 5th year without it being a max contract, according to the new CBA.

You're right. Only max for first extension year.

[The59Sound]

Good call.