Official Trade Thread - Part XXIV

[deneem4]

Singleton and a 2nd round
For
Thabeet and pj3

Vesely can teach thabeet how to play...
No seriously thabeet and okafor went to the same college, both was monsters there, okafor defensive prowness continued while thabeet dropped soon as he hit the nba...I think tht comes with development, we dont have thr best coaching development staff...but we do have vets who can help...atleast he can be downlow at center so nene wont hsve to get banged up...he won't be too effective buy he can be useful...seraphin to small and vesley to thin...and we need harrington

Pj3=harrison barnes

[Ruzious]

Pj3 has been extended for 3yrs at 1mil...thats a steal if he can be half of the player hes projected...he have the potential skills and size...jus lack the determination....I see it as being on a top contender in the thunder...he knows he wont see minutes behind kd or ibaka...nor will he see touches as long as westbrook running point...on the wizards he have a chance...hes the perfect stretch 4 for wall considering he can take it coast to coast on a fast break...not to mention hes 7ft with a 38" vert...him and ves can be lob city with the right backup pg..the kid is going to be good

Do you think that if you keep saying Pj3=harrison barnes, it'll become true somehow? The only thing they have in common is that they were way overrated coming out of HS. PJ3 is not a stretch 4, and even if he was - what's that got to do with Barnes? Jones has never been a proficient 3 point shooter. Barnes is a 3 who's basically a 3 point shooting specialist.

[Dat2U]

Of course deneem favorite trade scenario...
Pj3=harrison barnes

Nene/singleton/seraphin/2015 2nd
For
Perkins/collison/pj3/2014 1st/2015 1st rd

Nene shot 3% better than perkins last yr...
Collsion becomes a reliable backup with harrington
Pj3 becomes otto evil twin
2 1st rounders for singleton and seraphin...

Steven adams is looking good we need to press the issue before he becomes theyre starter...nene doesn't want to play for the wizards he going to be injured every other game again considering wittman wony limit his minutes and he is going to have to play center...he already bitched abouyt playing against reggir Evans and lopez...imagine hibbert boozer drummond etc

Perkins sucks but shidd nene do too nowadays....I dont trust him, he obviously dont want to be here, he wants his minutes limited, whittman isnt going to do tht which is jus going to make nene say hes injured every other game...AGAIN..
Now while I would love a boozer or asik...the idea of getting draft picks trump the idea of adding contracts to get swept in the playoffs...while theyre not top draft picks...theyre picks regardless, and can be packaged to get us a better one or quality role player...
Perkins become an expiring nxt yr...he can be our bruiser til okafor comes baxk and bruise opponents off the bench,


Pj3 has been extended for 3yrs at 1mil...thats a steal if he can be half of the player hes projected...he have the potential skills and size...jus lack the determination....I see it as being on a top contender in the thunder...he knows he wont see minutes behind kd or ibaka...nor will he see touches as long as westbrook running point...on the wizards he have a chance...hes the perfect stretch 4 for wall considering he can take it coast to coast on a fast break...not to mention hes 7ft with a 38" vert...him and ves can be lob city with the right backup pg..the kid is going to be good

I need you to go ahead and lose that PJIII scouting report from 2009, it's become a bit outdated.

[payitforward]

[quote="deneem4"]Vesely can teach thabeet how to play.../quote]
Awright deneem!! LOL.

[payitforward]

Pj3 has been extended for 3yrs at 1mil...thats a steal if he can be half of the player hes projected...he have the potential skills and size...jus lack the determination....I see it as being on a top contender in the thunder...he knows he wont see minutes behind kd or ibaka...nor will he see touches as long as westbrook running point...on the wizards he have a chance...hes the perfect stretch 4 for wall considering he can take it coast to coast on a fast break...not to mention hes 7ft with a 38" vert...him and ves can be lob city with the right backup pg..the kid is going to be good

Do you think that if you keep saying Pj3=harrison barnes, it'll become true somehow? The only thing they have in common is that they were way overrated coming out of HS. PJ3 is not a stretch 4, and even if he was - what's that got to do with Barnes? Jones has never been a proficient 3 point shooter. Barnes is a 3 who's basically a 3 point shooting specialist.

First off pj3 is on his rookie contract; he has not been "extended."

Secondly, he resembles Harrison Barnes in no way. As Ruzious points out -- why ever would you compare them?

3dly, Harrison Barnes is not an especially good player -- he did have one maybe 2 good games in the playoffs. Also a couple of bad ones, and his rookie year overall wasn't particularly impressive.

[deneem4]

But we'll giv up any player on our roster no wearing #2 or #3 for harrison barnes...

If wall actually thought less ves could average 10points a game...on oops alone...
Nene is done for... (he'll prove tht tonight) and ves and booker is the future
Pj3 is going to put up #s tonight if durant doesnt play...
Thabeet cant block shots if ibaka blocking them all...you know how the thunder offense runs...vesley and thabeet downlow would be the goofiest looking tandum...but I bet they average alotta blocks... (and fouls)
Pj3 has everything porter doesnt physically...and if lebron taught u anything...thts what matter

[verbal8]

But we'll giv up any player on our roster no wearing #2 or #3 for harrison barnes...

I think you have to add Porter to the list.

For Ariza, Nene, Webster and Okafor it is more due to Barnes' contract and potential than his production so far.

[deneem4]

But we'll giv up any player on our roster no wearing #2 or #3 for harrison barnes...

I think you have to add Porter to the list.

For Ariza, Nene, Webster and Okafor it is more due to Barnes' contract and potential than his production so far.

We'll trade porter for barnes in a heartbeat...

[Nivek]

But we'll giv up any player on our roster no wearing #2 or #3 for harrison barnes...

I think you have to add Porter to the list.

For Ariza, Nene, Webster and Okafor it is more due to Barnes' contract and potential than his production so far.

We'll trade porter for barnes in a heartbeat...

We who? I wouldn't make that trade. Porter was the better prospect coming out of college and (as payitforward said) while Barnes has potential, he wasn't impressive as a rookie.

Comparing sophomore season to sophomore season, Porter shot better from 2pt range, 3pt range and the free throw line. He got more rebounds, assists, steals and blocks than Barnes. He committed fewer turnovers and fouled less. Why would the Wizards trade Porter for Barnes?

[deneem4]

I think you have to add Porter to the list.

For Ariza, Nene, Webster and Okafor it is more due to Barnes' contract and potential than his production so far.

We'll trade porter for barnes in a heartbeat...

We who? I wouldn't make that trade. Porter was the better prospect coming out of college and (as payitforward said) while Barnes has potential, he wasn't impressive as a rookie.

Comparing sophomore season to sophomore season, Porter shot better from 2pt range, 3pt range and the free throw line. He got more rebounds, assists, steals and blocks than Barnes. He committed fewer turnovers and fouled less. Why would the Wizards trade Porter for Barnes?

Cause porter cant stay healthy...and harrison barnes have wayyyy more potential

[Ruzious]

We'll trade porter for barnes in a heartbeat...

We who? I wouldn't make that trade. Porter was the better prospect coming out of college and (as payitforward said) while Barnes has potential, he wasn't impressive as a rookie.

Comparing sophomore season to sophomore season, Porter shot better from 2pt range, 3pt range and the free throw line. He got more rebounds, assists, steals and blocks than Barnes. He committed fewer turnovers and fouled less. Why would the Wizards trade Porter for Barnes?

Cause porter cant stay healthy...and harrison barnes have wayyyy more potential

Barnes did a nice job of hiding that potential in 2 years at UNC, and btw - he's injured. I bet you're a big James Michael McAdoo fan, too.

[Nivek]

We'll trade porter for barnes in a heartbeat...

We who? I wouldn't make that trade. Porter was the better prospect coming out of college and (as payitforward said) while Barnes has potential, he wasn't impressive as a rookie.

Comparing sophomore season to sophomore season, Porter shot better from 2pt range, 3pt range and the free throw line. He got more rebounds, assists, steals and blocks than Barnes. He committed fewer turnovers and fouled less. Why would the Wizards trade Porter for Barnes?

Cause porter cant stay healthy...and harrison barnes have wayyyy more potential

Porter has basically no history of injury. He strained a hip flexor and is recovering. The relevant data would suggest Porter is reasonably durable -- he played in 64 of the 65 Georgetown games during his time at the school. Meanwhile, guess who's also currently injured.

Psst: Barnes. He's "hoping" to play in the opener despite "inflammation" in his left foot.

What exactly is Barnes' potential and in what way is it "wayyyy more" than Porter's? From your comments, I'm guessing "potential" in your eyes could probably be expressed by something like Pts per game + max vertical + bench reps + lane agility + 3/4 court sprint.

[payitforward]

We who? I wouldn't make that trade. Porter was the better prospect coming out of college and (as payitforward said) while Barnes has potential, he wasn't impressive as a rookie.

Comparing sophomore season to sophomore season, Porter shot better from 2pt range, 3pt range and the free throw line. He got more rebounds, assists, steals and blocks than Barnes. He committed fewer turnovers and fouled less. Why would the Wizards trade Porter for Barnes?

Cause porter cant stay healthy...and harrison barnes have wayyyy more potential

Porter has basically no history of injury. He strained a hip flexor and is recovering. The relevant data would suggest Porter is reasonably durable -- he played in 64 of the 65 Georgetown games during his time at the school. Meanwhile, guess who's also currently injured.

Psst: Barnes. He's "hoping" to play in the opener despite "inflammation" in his left foot.

What exactly is Barnes' potential and in what way is it "wayyyy more" than Porter's? From your comments, I'm guessing "potential" in your eyes could probably be expressed by something like Pts per game + max vertical + bench reps + lane agility + 3/4 court sprint.

It's not worth arguing the point w/ deneem. I imagine he'd trade Porter for PJIII too!

Anybody who watched Harrison Barnes in college or as a rookie understands his limitations. For starters, he can't put the ball on the floor, and as a follow up he's not much of a catch and shoot player either.

He's a good athlete, and maybe he'll become a good NBA player, though my projection was and still is that he isn't good enough to be a multi-year starter in the league. Had he and Porter come out the same year, I don't think anyone would have taken Barnes over Porter, but we had people here who liked him more than Beal. Hell there were people convinced that Jeremy Lamb was going to be quite the good player.

Opinions are cheap, and absolute certainty about an opinion makes it seem all the more true. Then comes the crystal ball. All w/ no need to look at or analyze any actual production numbers a player puts up.

[deneem4]

I'm guessing "potential" in your eyes could probably be expressed by something like Pts per game + max vertical + bench reps + lane agility + 3/4 court sprint.

^^^^exactly....and u missing size...

[Nivek]

I'm guessing "potential" in your eyes could probably be expressed by something like Pts per game + max vertical + bench reps + lane agility + 3/4 court sprint.

^^^^exactly....and u missing size...

Ah. Well, using the highly scientific and expertly researched deneem4 Basketball Potential Metric (pts per game + standing reach + max vertical + bench reps + agility + 3/4 court sprint), Barnes gets a 187.1 to Porter's 181.4. Wayyyy more upside for Barnes -- 5.7 more to be exact. Well, 5.74 more if I'm really being exact. That 0.04 makes a big difference.

[deneem4]

I'm guessing "potential" in your eyes could probably be expressed by something like Pts per game + max vertical + bench reps + lane agility + 3/4 court sprint.

^^^^exactly....and u missing size...

Not to mention harrison barnes put up 16/6rebs with a 45% fg in the PLAYOFFS his ROOKIE year in the western conference...

And you're saying he wasnt impressive as a rookie??? are you serious?
College is different from the nba and porter wasnt a dominant college player at that...but you guys dont even estimate him to average more than 15pts per game during the regular season...

Il take an athletic scorer over a glue guy anyday...you cant teach explosiveness, power, speed, vert....but u can teach how to block lanes, hustle for loose balls set weak side picks...do you guys not understand who the top 5 players in the league are???

They mostly athletic and physically gifted

[payitforward]

I'm guessing "potential" in your eyes could probably be expressed by something like Pts per game + max vertical + bench reps + lane agility + 3/4 court sprint.

^^^^exactly....and u missing size...

Not to mention harrison barnes put up 16/6rebs with a 45% fg in the PLAYOFFS his ROOKIE year in the western conference...

And you're saying he wasnt impressive as a rookie??? are you serious?
College is different from the nba and porter wasnt a dominant college player at that...but you guys dont even estimate him to average more than 15pts per game during the regular season...

Il take an athletic scorer over a glue guy anyday...you cant teach explosiveness, power, speed, vert....but u can teach how to block lanes, hustle for loose balls set weak side picks...do you guys not understand who the top 5 players in the league are???

They mostly athletic and physically gifted

Also some of the top busts are that. How long ago was it that you were drooling over Gerald Green?

If you didn't even catch Kevin's irony, there's no hope for you deneem. No, #of points per game is not a metric of how good a player is, nor is max vertical or any of the other silly stuff you seem to like.

Oh, and no, Harrison Barnes didn't have much of a rookie year at all. He did have a couple of good playoff games. And a couple of bad ones, btw. Go look at the box scores of all the games.

[deneem4]

Its the playoffs did u see wht ginobli did in the finals...a seasoned vet...and u tryn to down a 21yr old rookie because he had up and down games in his first playoffs???

And I never liked gerald green...

[Nivek]

I'm guessing "potential" in your eyes could probably be expressed by something like Pts per game + max vertical + bench reps + lane agility + 3/4 court sprint.

^^^^exactly....and u missing size...

Not to mention harrison barnes put up 16/6rebs with a 45% fg in the PLAYOFFS his ROOKIE year in the western conference...

And you're saying he wasnt impressive as a rookie??? are you serious?

When I say that Barnes wasn't very impressive as a rookie, I mean that compared to the league's average player, Barnes shot worse from 2pt%, was average from 3pt range and the free throw line, got fewer rebounds, assists, steals, blocks and points. He was better than average in avoiding turnovers and fouls -- something to build on.

College is different from the nba and porter wasnt a dominant college player at that...but you guys dont even estimate him to average more than 15pts per game during the regular season...

You do realize that Porter was BETTER in college than Barnes. Don't you?

Il take an athletic scorer over a glue guy anyday...you cant teach explosiveness, power, speed, vert....but u can teach how to block lanes, hustle for loose balls set weak side picks...do you guys not understand who the top 5 players in the league are???

They mostly athletic and physically gifted

Name your top 5. Even a guy like Lebron, who is indeed an overwhelming athlete, isn't great solely because of his athleticism. Lebron, for example, is great because he combines great athleticism with top-shelf skills and a first-rate basketball IQ.

[jivelikenice]

So I've been reading with K. Faried is available potentially? Is it time to make amends for that draft miss and offer a package for him? You have the benefit of him being on his rookie deal for two more years so you don't cut into cap space. His rebounding would also be a huge asset in terms of triggering the fast break. Just curious; how low of a lotto protection would you all be willing to take to get Faried?