Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread

[rapsanity]

TOR gets Rajon Rondo, Caron Butler (expiring), Courtney Lee (3yrs left)

BOS gets Kyle Lowry, Epke Udoh

MIL gets Rudy Gay


What does everyone think?

Don't get why Boston would make this trade? Let's not forget, Lowry is a FA at the end of the year and it's not like he'll ask for 5-6 million again next season. He's up for a big time pay-day and will probably ask for a contract which is a lot more than what he deserves.

Boston can also get him outright at the end of the season. The only thing Boston will be looking to do this season is trade Gerald Wallace and his biga** contract. Don't see them getting rid of Rondo unless they have to include him with G-Wall and/or get a 2014 first round pick in return

[TheGoodDoctor]

Washington gets Rudy Gay

Toronto gets Nene, Otto Porter

Porter is a lot of value to give up, but Washington also dumps Nene's contract which is one of the league's worst. Toronto gets a young advanced stats friendly SF

Talk about this trade on the thread this summer.He wouldn't be a rental( isnt he from there)either so it makes sense.Raps get a sf that can possibly be a starter for the future,and Nene would be a good back up since the raps are short on reliable big man.

Make it Okafor instead of Nene and we can talk.

There's no way I would want to inherit Nene's garbage contract and consider me underwhelmed by Otto Porter. He can make a decent starter and may become a solid player but I don't think his ceiling is that high and Nene's contract is just gross.

Now if we get him with an expiring then it's not that bad but not that great either and really it just helps us to tank for better talent. WAS would actually be pretty darn good as the combination of Wall/Beal/Gay seems actually to be a great fit imo...if they could add a good post player in the future WAS would be one of the better teams in a couple of years.

As for the discussion about Rondo, I don't see BOS giving him away for expirings.

[sweetcity]

the best package for Rudy Gay is still probably Monroe.

[TheGoodDoctor]

Not saying this trade is likely but just an idea:

Gay for Rubio/Barea/Williams; works in the trade checker & I think benefits both teams but who knows

WHY for Minny: they have Shved who is still promising as a PG. They just grabbed Martin and are obviously hungry to make the Playoffs and retain Love. A line up of Shved/Martin/Gay/Love/Pek is pretty darn good imo. Certainly enough to make the Playoffs and should actually do okay if you ask me.

WHY for TO: obviously great for the tank but Rubio is almost the perfect PG for Val to develop with (minus the lack of jumper lol) and whoever else we get in the draft. The other two are fillers that we can let go for our big "2016 plan" Masai talks about. But Rubio, Val, this pick and probably next year's as well with good cap, I can be pretty happy with to say the least.

[rapsanity]

Washington gets Rudy Gay

Toronto gets Nene, Otto Porter

Porter is a lot of value to give up, but Washington also dumps Nene's contract which is one of the league's worst. Toronto gets a young advanced stats friendly SF

lmao how is Porter an "advanced stats friendly SF?".

I hate it when people claim rookie XXX is ____ when they haven't even played one game in the NBA yet.

I wouldn't want to trade rudy for a so called advanced stats friendly SF and one of the worst contracts for a PF who can't stay healthy

[Wasp]

Not saying this trade is likely but just an idea:

Gay for Rubio/Barea/Williams; works in the trade checker & I think benefits both teams but who knows

WHY for Minny: they have Shved who is still promising as a PG. They just grabbed Martin and are obviously hungry to make the Playoffs and retain Love. A line up of Shved/Martin/Gay/Love/Pek is pretty darn good imo. Certainly enough to make the Playoffs and should actually do okay if you ask me.

WHY for TO: obviously great for the tank but Rubio is almost the perfect PG for Val to develop with (minus the lack of jumper lol) and whoever else we get in the draft. The other two are fillers that we can let go for our big "2016 plan" Masai talks about. But Rubio, Val, this pick and probably next year's as well with good cap, I can be pretty happy with to say the least.

Yikes. No way in hell Minny does that. Rubio has WAY more value than Gay, and you're throwing in Williams too?

Also, regarding the Rondo proposals—I really don't think there's any way Boston deals him this year. They're set up perfectly to hold him out all year for precautionary reasons, grab a top-5 pick, and have him rejoin the fold with a running mate. Nothing other than an over the top offer will pry him away, I'm afraid.

[rapsanity]

Not saying this trade is likely but just an idea:

Gay for Rubio/Barea/Williams; works in the trade checker & I think benefits both teams but who knows

WHY for Minny: they have Shved who is still promising as a PG. They just grabbed Martin and are obviously hungry to make the Playoffs and retain Love. A line up of Shved/Martin/Gay/Love/Pek is pretty darn good imo. Certainly enough to make the Playoffs and should actually do okay if you ask me.

WHY for TO: obviously great for the tank but Rubio is almost the perfect PG for Val to develop with (minus the lack of jumper lol) and whoever else we get in the draft. The other two are fillers that we can let go for our big "2016 plan" Masai talks about. But Rubio, Val, this pick and probably next year's as well with good cap, I can be pretty happy with to say the least.

Really didn't expect you to make such a silly trade proposal. Or let's hope you were being sarcastic

Minnesota has NO incentive to trade Rubio. Their FO love's him and they definitely won't trade him for Gay.

Replace Rubio with another player and Minessota might be interested but Toronto won't

[HolyMage110]

Lets just trade for prospects and build this team from the bottom with Val being our base.

[TheGoodDoctor]

Not saying this trade is likely but just an idea:

Gay for Rubio/Barea/Williams; works in the trade checker & I think benefits both teams but who knows

WHY for Minny: they have Shved who is still promising as a PG. They just grabbed Martin and are obviously hungry to make the Playoffs and retain Love. A line up of Shved/Martin/Gay/Love/Pek is pretty darn good imo. Certainly enough to make the Playoffs and should actually do okay if you ask me.

WHY for TO: obviously great for the tank but Rubio is almost the perfect PG for Val to develop with (minus the lack of jumper lol) and whoever else we get in the draft. The other two are fillers that we can let go for our big "2016 plan" Masai talks about. But Rubio, Val, this pick and probably next year's as well with good cap, I can be pretty happy with to say the least.

Really didn't expect you to make such a silly trade proposal. Or let's hope you were being sarcastic

Minnesota has NO incentive to trade Rubio. Their FO love's him and they definitely won't trade him for Gay.

Replace Rubio with another player and Minessota might be interested but Toronto won't

Like I said "not saying it's likely, just an idea".

I'm aware that the FO loves Rubio it was merely an idea being thrown out there (maybe even throw in the NYK pick - not a fan of giving up picks). I just figured there may be some at least small incentive for them to act on it.

1. Rubio didn't even want to play in Minny, if you recall. There is still chance that he can leave as well. Also he has his shortcomings as a player too. It's debateable whether or not him or Rudy would have a greater effect but given that Shved is still there the addition of Rudy might actually really help them. Love is clearly not content with just Rubio...right now I'm not 100% they're a Playoff team, make the trade I suggested I'm actually fairly confident they are to say the least.

2. The TWolves as a franchise need to make money as much as anyone else and have been absent from the Playoffs for how long now?! They don't have the attendance we have here. They need to generate revenue quicker and fans will buy if they're winning more and in the Playoffs which you have to believe sooner the better. The addition of Martin shows they want to be there and that is a ton of revenue they can make in addition to pleasing their actual franchise player in Love.

The NBA end of day is a business and I'm not ruling out what you're saying and actually believe it's far more likely they keep Rubio as a safety net in the fear of losing Love but I don't think it's ridiculous considering their aspirations and financial needs to really make a big push now to make the Playoffs stop finding themselves in the lotto.

[Dr Positivity]

Advanced stats community loved Porter as a draft prospect, due to his high reb/blk/stl/ast for a SF.

[ballislife]

The Denver Nuggets have put out targeted trade feelers on Kenneth Faried to gauge his value, according to multiple sources around the NBA.

The Nuggets have demanded a very good return for Faried.

Faried averaged 11 points and 9.2 rebounds last season, winning the MVP award of the Rookie-Sophomore Game at All-Star Weekend.

The Nuggets, for their part, deny they have put Faried's name out there at all.

Via Zach Lowe/Grantland

I expect Masai to jump on this. Faried was his guy... having him as a running mate in the post with Valanciunas would be huge. He's a good compliment to JV with his tenacity on the boards.

I think if DeRozan really shows great improvement, we could get Faried for him... Denver needs a good young SG to run with Lawson, and he'd be a great fit beside Gallinari.

DeRozan + Knicks 2016 1st (if DD isn't enough) for Faried and Andre Miller (and $9.5 mill. TPE).

I think it's a good trade for both sides short and long term. We'd significantly improve our bench with Miller/Fields/Novak/Hansbrough/Amir. I really don't want to give up DD though... I'd much rather him instead of Rudy and Ross, but I think he holds the most value. We'd have a lot riding on Ross to really prove himself on a consistent basis.

[Slackstring701]

DeRozan has way more value than Faried.

I absolutely love Faried but he is over rated. He was a great fit in Karl's system but he will get exposed in a more structured offense and he is a weak defender. All in the deepest position in the league.

I have no doubt that is he is available that Masai will be on that, but DeRozan plus a first???? Cmon that is a massive overpay especially when we already have a superior player than Faried in Amir Johnson.

[Slackstring701]

I would still love to get Faried, dont get me wrong, but I think that some other team will overpay for him.

[sogood]

DeRozan has way more value than Faried.

I absolutely love Faried but he is over rated. He was a great fit in Karl's system but he will get exposed in a more structured offense and he is a weak defender. All in the deepest position in the league.

I have no doubt that is he is available that Masai will be on that, but DeRozan plus a first???? Cmon that is a massive overpay especially when we already have a superior player than Faried in Amir Johnson.

What the hell are you smoking? DeMar has more value than Faried?

[sweetcity]

I wouldnt do Faried straight up for DeMar, Id consider something like Ross for Faried

Lowry
DeRozan
Gay
Faried
JV

Buycks
Fields
Novak
Amir
Hansborough

[Slackstring701]

DeRozan has way more value than Faried.

I absolutely love Faried but he is over rated. He was a great fit in Karl's system but he will get exposed in a more structured offense and he is a weak defender. All in the deepest position in the league.

I have no doubt that is he is available that Masai will be on that, but DeRozan plus a first???? Cmon that is a massive overpay especially when we already have a superior player than Faried in Amir Johnson.

What the hell are you smoking? DeMar has more value than Faried?

An eighth a day ....

And yes DeMar has more value than Faried!!!!!

[sanity]

I'm unsure about the exposed in a more structured offense bit. Faried isn't even a scorer to begin with and gets the majority of his points in the paint. Amir is my favourite Raptor player, but he has over 400 games logged. Its unreasonable to claim superiority with such an experience and age gap, given that Faried's production now is actually better than Amir's (and has team success to go along with it).

I would not trade DeRozan for Faried (and don't believe Denver is shopping him anyway).

[Slackstring701]

I'm unsure about the exposed in a more structured offense bit. Faried isn't even a scorer to begin with and gets the majority of his points in the paint. Amir is my favourite Raptor player, but he has over 400 games logged. Its unreasonable to claim superiority with such an experience and age gap, given that Faried's production now is actually better than Amir's (and has team success to go along with it).

I would not trade DeRozan for Faried (and don't believe Denver is shopping him anyway).

Fair points all around. There is no denying that Amir is a far superior defender than Faried is though. And Amir is only 2 years older than Faried.

[ballislife]

You're right, I don't think the first is necessary.. DeRozan is looking like a bargain at less than $10 mill. and I definitely want to keep him around.. but I love the way Faried plays... and having him beside JV would be nice...

I'm hoping that Ross really increase his value this year... having Faried, as well as DD and JV would be a nice young core to move forward with.

[Slackstring701]

I do think Dener is shopping him though. They signed Hickson and traded for Arthur and have Randolph as well as two centers locked up long term in Mozzy and Javale. They also have both Chandler and Gallo at the 3, who can pay together with Gallo as a strech 4.

So they are very very deep at the 4.