Preseason Gm 7. vs. Washington Wizards. 7:30PM ET

[tmorgan]

I don't get why you'd rather have Singler than Jerebko. And I have soured on Jerebko. Jerebko is basically better at everything except spot up 3 point shooting, which he shoots a lower percentage in but has a quicker release and option to make a few types of plays instead of just spotting up. Statistically Jerebko has a slightly above average NBA PER of 15.32 while Singler is a truly bad 10.

Singler has a a substantially worse ORTG and DRTG and both his numbers were below the team average, which is impressive given how bad we were last season. Singler also was able to play in better rotations than JJ since he was used as a starter most of the season, so these stats are biased in his favor. Most stats probably fail to incorporate how Singler unintentionally freezes the ball by buckling under the slightest defensive pressure and being unable to move or pass, and how he gets in teammates way on defense. I think some people see him as a role player and only take notice of him when he hits a 3 pointer and due to his non-existent expectations people never put the blame on him for the collapse of a play.

Despite looking like a second round steal for the brief start of his rookie season I am unfortunately convinced Singler is the worst NBA player.

Good points. I don't like Jerebko's attitude at all and want him buried on the bench or gone. Singler definitely has his weaknesses, but I think he's still improving as a player. Theoretically, you can add Singler to that list with Datome and Mitchell, too -- if those two guys prove capable, Singler can get some nights off out of the rotation.

[vic]

Game was totally different with 2 shooters on the floor... Even HarrelsOn was a threat and he was contributing in the 6 short mins he was in.

[Q00]

I think Drummond can lead the league in rebounds this year if he gets the minutes. Pistons are going to need to bring back Rebound Row pretty soon.

I think so too. The great rebounding advantage this team should have will really alleviate a lot of other problems.

Last season he was a close second in rebounding rate after Varejao. I don't think that Drummond's REB% will necessarily go down with Smith being here either because they can help each other; last season teams started to put boxing out/cutting off Drummond from rebounding position in their game plan, but with Smith and Monroe it will be harder. Also Drummond is in better shape and more experienced and even if he suffers numerically he's still a extremely dominant rebounder.

yeah, I can see the guys deferring to Dre on rebounds too if they are all in the vicinity, like how the 04 team just knew to let Ben get every board in the area.

Dre is already leading the league in rebounds right now in preseason, and if he keeps getting 12-14 per game he will be up there at the top.

[MotownMadness]

Drummond is avg around 11 rpg so far in 29 mins

[Kilo]

CV is absolutely useless and should go the way of Maggette last year really. We can't just cut him because he has value as an expiring deal - but since that's his only value we'd be taking on a longer contract in any deal we could find for him ie can't find and expiring vet 2/3 for our expiring stretch four.

I think we're likely stuck with him at least until February when teams start looking to next year and going into complete and obvious rebuild (read tank) mode. Maybe we get a 2013 FA signing that didn't work out and the team and player want to go in a different direction.

We need to get Datome on the floor to see what he can offer us - I don't expect much at all.

[zeebneeb]

KCP's defense and rebounding alone should warrant him the starting role. His shot will come as he continues to refine his shooting throughout the season. We're not looking to contend this year anyways, only to get to the playoffs so we can afford a year or 2 to develop him. Let Billups give him pointers or something lol.

This is something I have been saying, loudly. There is no one, anywhere near his skill level at the SG position on the team, and he's a rookie.

I really hope that Cheeks gets this early. The starting lineup, without question should be;

Jennings
Pope
Smith
Monroe
Drummond

The first sub should be at either the SF, or PF slot.

Players that absolutely should not play, even under the most dire circumstances?

CV, Singler. Both players are not suitable for this team. The separation in talent level from our starting group, to our bench, is Gigantic. I cannot remember a Pistons team with this massive of a difference. Our best bench player would be a 37yo Billups, who while still has some gas left, is not whats needed off the bench. Stuckey would be #2, and that is saying a lot about our bench.

I really hope that Luigi is a fair-good player, because holy crap do we need even a decent player coming off our horrific bench.

[Brapman]

The views denigrating Singler are just crazy talk. He'd be a rotation player on any team in the league. The kid knows how to play - moves the ball great - plays hard and smart BB - is really a good shooter who will likely significantly improve in that area during his career - has a great attitude - and is a guy who every coach he has ever had recognizes this and finds a way to play him meaningful minutes.

Singler is clearly part of the four man rotation of big-men on our roster. Hopefully, Gigi will be the 5th. And my hope is that Mitchell carves out a role also in the near future.

But you're just wrong about Singler not being suitable for this team. None of the coaches or the GM agrees with you on this one.

[DBC10]

KCP's defense and rebounding alone should warrant him the starting role. His shot will come as he continues to refine his shooting throughout the season. We're not looking to contend this year anyways, only to get to the playoffs so we can afford a year or 2 to develop him. Let Billups give him pointers or something lol.

This is something I have been saying, loudly. There is no one, anywhere near his skill level at the SG position on the team, and he's a rookie.

I really hope that Cheeks gets this early. The starting lineup, without question should be;

Jennings
Pope
Smith
Monroe
Drummond

The first sub should be at either the SF, or PF slot.

Players that absolutely should not play, even under the most dire circumstances?

CV, Singler. Both players are not suitable for this team. The separation in talent level from our starting group, to our bench, is Gigantic. I cannot remember a Pistons team with this massive of a difference. Our best bench player would be a 37yo Billups, who while still has some gas left, is not whats needed off the bench. Stuckey would be #2, and that is saying a lot about our bench.

I really hope that Luigi is a fair-good player, because holy crap do we need even a decent player coming off our horrific bench.

Agreed with everything except Singler.

Singler definitely has his moments and I think really shines when he plays exclusively the 3. I think yesterday proved that he can thrive by playing with Billups and providing much needed spacing and cutting near the rim. He doesn't play the most sound defense, but the guy is a good glue guy that gave us meaningful minutes yesterday which led to his scoring onslaught early on that made our team really gel well.

As a starter, I agree, we can do a whole lot better. But as someone coming off the bench, he's pretty decent and should not be mentioned anywhere near CV. Heck, I'd rather have Singler playing than Jonas or CV.

[Brapman]

Singler is the kind of player who will and does shine playing with good and excellent players. He does everything you want a glue guy to do.

[hoophabit]

I'd say it's fair to say that Singler playing the 2 is a sign of difficult circumstances. It was last year and only occurred this year due to all the guard problems. He's a natural 3, and generally plays a good floor game. He has a little trouble with the really big physical 3s, but that's what Josh is for. Heady, if not extremely physically gifted player.

[kurtis48239]

What I cant stand about singler is he gets beat constantly by his man at the 2 and gets bullied by 3s.Seems like anytime hes in the lineup hes the weakest link (unless hes playing with charlie).Then theirs his offense which is ok some nights and down right horrible the next, he dosent do enough for me to where I would be mad if he was added to a trade package.

[Clarity]

Singler is the kind of player who will and does shine playing with good and excellent players. He does everything you want a glue guy to do.

yup, he gets into trouble when u ask him to do too much but under control hes a great role player off the bench.

[BadMofoPimp]

Singler is a Solid Backup on a cheap contract. Why the hell trade him?