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Re: ATL: Week 7 

Post#161 » by emunney » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:27 pm

El Duderino wrote:The Browns would take a major cap hit by trading Thomas. He signed an 8yr/80 million dollar deal with 30 million guaranteed. That makes him nearly untradeable for awhile.


I broke this down a while back, but it boils down to the fact that the signing bonus was pretty small and most of the guaranteed money was paid in guaranteed base salary. The cap hit to the Browns would be relatively small (1.2m this year, 2.4m next year) and not at all prohibitive.

ETA: Oh, and I still don't think they'd move him. Somebody's going to have to keep their rookie QB on his feet next year.
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Re: ATL: Week 7 

Post#162 » by Newz » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:48 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:I think it's becoming pretty clear that Richardson was traded because his stock was going to plummet to essentially zero if they didn't move him. They'd probably trade older contributors like Joe Thomas if somebody calls with the right offer.

The Gordon stuff seems manufactured from the casual fan and Bleacher Report-types.

They're rebuilding:
1. Gordon is good.
2. Gordon is young.

Isn't that what you want when you rebuild? I realize he's near a year-long suspension if he gets caught again with the hippie lettuce in his system but there isn't much of a motivation to sell otherwise.


I don't really view Joe Thomas as that old because of his position. I think he should be a dominant LT for as long as Gordon is a good/elite receiver. A lot of those linemen seem to be able to play into their late 30's at a high level with no problem.

If I were them and I could get a first for Gordon I would pull the trigger... but that's mainly because this draft seems pretty deep at QB, OL, DL, LB... and those positions I value way higher than WR. If they are going to draft a QB not only will they have Thomas to protect his blind side, but they could also pick up another OL to keep him upright... plus they could help bolster their defense as well.

To me it doesn't seem like you need a ton elite receivers or offensive weapons to win it all. Obviously you need one or two, but they seem way more common than the other positions. So if I could get good value for Gordon I would personally take it in their positions and pass on the possibility he gets suspended or kicked out of the league.
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Re: ATL: Week 7 

Post#163 » by Kerb Hohl » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:57 pm

Sure, if you get a 1st for Gordon, probably do it. I think most people have a similar value system to yours (except center ;-p) but some of proposals I had seen acted as of they were giving him away.


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Post#164 » by Newz » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:11 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:Sure, if you get a 1st for Gordon, probably do it. I think most people have a similar value system to yours (except center ;-p) but some of proposals I had seen acted as of they were giving him away.


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Yeah, I saw that they might ditch him for a late 2nd or something. If I were them I absolutely would not do that. I'd hold out for a 1st or an early 2nd/4th or something like that. Otherwise I'd hang onto him.
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Re: ATL: Week 7 

Post#165 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:23 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:I think it's becoming pretty clear that Richardson was traded because his stock was going to plummet to essentially zero if they didn't move him. They'd probably trade older contributors like Joe Thomas if somebody calls with the right offer.

The Gordon stuff seems manufactured from the casual fan and Bleacher Report-types.

They're rebuilding:
1. Gordon is good.
2. Gordon is young.

Isn't that what you want when you rebuild? I realize he's near a year-long suspension if he gets caught again with the hippie lettuce in his system but there isn't much of a motivation to sell otherwise.


Yeah, Richardson completely took me by surprise. I initially liked the trade for both teams. I thought the Colts got a potential steal of a franchise RB, and I thought that CLE got an important 1st rounder to help the rebuild. Boy was I wrong about Richardson though...

Gordon and Thomas.....I don't see how you trade either of them. Gordon is young, talented, and still on a bargain rookie deal. I understand the idea of selling high (no pun intended), but even if he is one test away from a suspension, they have a minimal financial investment in him, so IMO, that's a risk worth taking.

I don't really view Joe Thomas as that old because of his position. I think he should be a dominant LT for as long as Gordon is a good/elite receiver. A lot of those linemen seem to be able to play into their late 30's at a high level with no problem.


Completely agree. Just look at how bad the Dolphins line is now after they traded Jake Long. Unless it's for a couple firsts, you just don't give up a franchise tackle with plenty of elite years ahead of him, regardless of the circumstances.
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Re: ATL: Week 7 

Post#166 » by jr lucosa » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:24 pm

trwi7 wrote:Unless Gordon is an upcoming UFA and I don't think he is, the Browns shouldn't settle for anything. There's no reason to.


He's a damn good player and only 22 years old, I wouldn't even move him for a 2nd/4th. I'd be telling teams 1st or no deal. If you get an elite level QB he'll need players to throw to.

They drafted him with a supplemental 2nd round pick, and unlike Richardson looks like he was worth the draft slot and then some. I wouldn't move him for a 2nd and a measly 4th or 5th, because what's the chances that 2nd turns into a player better than the extremely young Josh Gordon?

Pretty sure he's under contract 2 years after this season too.
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Re: ATL: Week 7 

Post#167 » by jakecronus8 » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:28 pm

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trwi7 wrote:Unless Gordon is an upcoming UFA and I don't think he is, the Browns shouldn't settle for anything. There's no reason to.


He's a damn good player and only 22 years old, I wouldn't even move him for a 2nd/4th. I'd be telling teams 1st or no deal. If you get an elite level QB he'll need players to throw to.

They drafted him with a supplemental 2nd round pick, and unlike Richardson looks like he was worth the draft slot and then some. I wouldn't move him for a 2nd and a measly 4th or 5th, what's the chances that 2nd turns into a player better than the extremely young Josh Gordon?

Pretty sure he's under contract 2 years after this season too.


He's tremendous and it's crazy for a guy his size, how good he is in space. He doesn't even turn 23 til April. Whomever ends up with him gets an insane steal if they can keep him off the wacky tobaccy.
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Post#168 » by GB_Packers » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:27 pm

Brandon Meriweather's suspension was reduced from two games to one. Player safety? Yeah right! Guy needs to be banned from the league.
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Re: ATL: Week 7 

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Post#170 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:48 pm



I'm shocked that Brett said no. For the first time in my life, I actually believe that Brett's playing days are over. I said that "I'll believe it when another team comes calling mid-season and he turns them down", and low and behold. It's been 3 years since his last game and it sounds like he's actually finally at peace with it. That being said, I fully expect periodic "Favre Watch" updates for at least the next 3-4 years.
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Re: ATL: Week 7 

Post#171 » by LittleRooster » Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:20 pm

I actually wish he had come back. I really hated him for a few years there but that's dwindled and I would love to see him play one more time :lol:
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Post#172 » by GB_Packers » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:04 pm

Not wanting to play anymore combined with looking at the Rams situation, I wouldn't want to come back for that either.
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Re: ATL: Week 7 

Post#174 » by El Duderino » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:58 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:


I'm shocked that Brett said no. For the first time in my life, I actually believe that Brett's playing days are over. I said that "I'll believe it when another team comes calling mid-season and he turns them down", and low and behold. It's been 3 years since his last game and it sounds like he's actually finally at peace with it. That being said, I fully expect periodic "Favre Watch" updates for at least the next 3-4 years.


I'm not surprised at all that Favre said no. When he retired for good, one of the main reasons he stated was that he simply couldn't handle getting hit hard anymore. His body just couldn't rebound from those hits. I remember that game with the Vikings where they had to play in the Gophers stadium on a very cold night after the Metrodome roof caved in and he took a few vicious hits. He kept struggling to get up and i could see it in his body language of like what the hell am i still doing out here. In fact, if my memory is correct, that was the last game he ever played in.
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Re: ATL: Week 7 

Post#175 » by PkrsBcksGphsMqt » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:29 pm

El Duderino wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:


I'm shocked that Brett said no. For the first time in my life, I actually believe that Brett's playing days are over. I said that "I'll believe it when another team comes calling mid-season and he turns them down", and low and behold. It's been 3 years since his last game and it sounds like he's actually finally at peace with it. That being said, I fully expect periodic "Favre Watch" updates for at least the next 3-4 years.


I'm not surprised at all that Favre said no. When he retired for good, one of the main reasons he stated was that he simply couldn't handle getting hit hard anymore. His body just couldn't rebound from those hits. I remember that game with the Vikings where they had to play in the Gophers stadium on a very cold night after the Metrodome roof caved in and he took a few vicious hits. He kept struggling to get up and i could see it in his body language of like what the hell am i still doing out here. In fact, if my memory is correct, that was the last game he ever played in.


It was and probably the most brutal game he's ever played in. It was pretty hard to watch by the end.
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