Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread

Slackstring701 · Post #241 » by **Slackstring701** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:29 pm

ballislife wrote:You're right, I don't think the first is necessary.. DeRozan is looking like a bargain at less than $10 mill. and I definitely want to keep him around.. but I love the way Faried plays... and having him beside JV would be nice...

I'm hoping that Ross really increase his value this year... having Faried, as well as DD and JV would be a nice young core to move forward with.

Agreed.

I would hesitate trading DeMar right now cuz I think his value is only gonna rise

sanity · Post #242 » by **sanity** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:39 pm

Well the idea behind trading him when he is of good value (relative to other players earning similar) is getting a very good pieces in return, perhaps in the form of an all-star or high potential players. In an ideal world we'd only look to trade Fields, etc. types who are complete crap in terms of value, but obviously teams won't bite and will only give trash back in exchange. Same goes for Gay and/or Lowry at this point. Unless either of them completely wow people, they're only rental players, similar to us getting Marion

I'm curious to see the haul that DeRozan could get, especially if he's considered to have more value now than previously when Masai offered him for Bledsoe (Clippers rejected it).

ballislife · Post #243 » by **ballislife** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:31 pm

I think a DeRozan for Faried and Miller is fair for both sides.

Our bench would be Miller/Fields/Novak/Amir/Hansbrough - light years better than what it is now... and without DeMar, more emphasis would be put on JV in the post and it would give him many more touches... it'll be better for his development. Ross is a better floor spacer beside Rudy... hopefully he can bring it consistently... maybe starting would help him bring it on a nightly basis.

I would much rather give up Ross, but Faried has way more value than him right now, and Denver won't take back Rudy's contract when they have Gallinari and Chandler at the 3.

bballsparkin · Post #244 » by **bballsparkin** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:46 pm

^^It's an interesting proposal. But if DD does actually take his game to another level with consistency the Raptors could live to regret it. He has looked pretty savvy so far in preseason.

sweetcity · Post #245 » by **sweetcity** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:48 pm

Denver In - DeRozan + Fields + Augustin
Denver Out - Faried + Chandler + Foye + $9.5m trade exception

Lowry - Foye - Buycks
Chandler - Ross - Stone
Gay - Novak - Acy
Faried - Amir - Acy
JV - Hanborough - Gray

The 3 pt shooting on the bench with Foye, Ross, and Novak would be insane.

Post #246 » by **Duffman100** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:51 pm

sweetcity wrote:Denver In - DeRozan + Fields + Augustin
Denver Out - Faried + Chandler + Foye + $9.5m trade exception

Lowry - Foye - Buycks
Chandler - Ross - Stone
Gay - Novak - Acy
Faried - Amir - Acy
JV - Hanborough - Gray

The 3 pt shooting on the bench with Foye, Ross, and Novak would be insane.

Denver would have to be drunk. But I'd give up anything other than JV and our 2014 first to get Faried. A Faried/JV frontcourt would be fantastic going forward.

Zeno · Post #247 » by **Zeno** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:02 pm

You guys are really underestimating Faried's value around the league.

ballislife · Post #248 » by **ballislife** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:26 pm

Zeno wrote:You guys are really underestimating Faried's value around the league.

tbh I think he and DeRozan have similar value... I'd actually be hesitant to give up DD... it could bite us in the ass with the way he's been playing in preseason. But Manimal is a monster on the boards, and he's the same age. I'd love to pair him with JV. I don't know if Denver can get a better player than DeRozan for Faried... last year, DD wouldn't be worth the same as Faried, but this season I think he easily has similar value, if not better.

Zeno · Post #249 » by **Zeno** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:54 pm

ballislife wrote:
Zeno wrote:You guys are really underestimating Faried's value around the league.

tbh I think he and DeRozan have similar value... I'd actually be hesitant to give up DD... it could bite us in the ass with the way he's been playing in preseason. But Manimal is a monster on the boards, and he's the same age. I'd love to pair him with JV. I don't know if Denver can get a better player than DeRozan for Faried... last year, DD wouldn't be worth the same as Faried, but this season I think he easily has similar value, if not better.

I see where you are coming from and I'm not saying I'd necessarily be that comfortable trading Demar for essentially a hustle guy (albeit probably the best one in the league) but Demar would have to have a hell of a season to reach Faried's trade value by the deadline. Not to say that ESPN rankings represent actual trade value but Faried was ranked 47 while Demar was around 100 if my memory serves. Plus he's got the hair and the lesbian parents and the hustle and a PER of nearly 19, and a cool nickname. His trade value is higher for many reasons. I think Aldridge for Faried and Chandler might be a possible deal for example. GM's have to sell their deals to the media and fans especially when trading a fan favorite and Denver's GM as it now stands would be absolutely buried alive if he traded Faried for Demar.

bigmandinky · Post #250 » by **bigmandinky** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:23 am

Maybe a deal of Ross + Gray NY 2016 First + Secound Rounders would be enough to do the trick, but I don't really known what Denver is looking for. Adding our 2014 First Rounder would probably get it done, but I'm not sure about whether I'd be willing to do that or not. A froncourt rotation of JV/Faried/Amir/Hansbrough would be amazing though.

YoungG · Post #251 » by **YoungG** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:35 am

I honestly think that trading Demar right now could bite us horribly as he's 24 years old and seems to have turned a corner. With more experience and his work ethic, his future seems bright and as much as I would love to have Faried on this team (Most of us love Ed and didn't want him traded...Faried is a better version of Ed Davis), the last thing we should do is trade the arguably best player on our team (who by the way is not in his prime yet).

Post #252 » by **Hassassin** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:40 am

Forget Kenneth Faried. He is a very good player but he will likely cost way too much. It's not worth it.

TheFreshPrince · Post #253 » by **TheFreshPrince** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:47 am

Faried likely benefits from Denver's depth. He's not relied on to do much more than dirty work and I think he could be exposed if he moves to another team where he's more of a focal point. He'll always be a good rebounder, but I don't see why you pay him big money when you have Psycho T doing a lot of the same for much less, not to mention some guy named Amir Johnson.

suntzuballin · Post #254 » by **suntzuballin** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:58 am

Hassassin wrote:Forget Kenneth Faried. He is a very good player but he will likely cost way too much. It's not worth it.

How did I know when I seen the front page of Real gm ppl on here will start making trade scenarios for him.Denver will probly ask for Raps 1st round pick 2014 no way! Rudy Gay thats it.

suntzuballin · Post #255 » by **suntzuballin** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:04 am

ballislife wrote:I think a DeRozan for Faried and Miller is fair for both sides.

Our bench would be Miller/Fields/Novak/Amir/Hansbrough - light years better than what it is now... and without DeMar, more emphasis would be put on JV in the post and it would give him many more touches... it'll be better for his development. Ross is a better floor spacer beside Rudy... hopefully he can bring it consistently... maybe starting would help him bring it on a nightly basis.

I would much rather give up Ross, but Faried has way more value than him right now, and Denver won't take back Rudy's contract when they have Gallinari and Chandler at the 3.

Thats interesting Denver does need a sg that fits other then Fournier,Foye and Nate are undersize combo guards and Miller is more a pg.You would probly have to throw in Amir Johnson I dunno if that would get it done.

Post #256 » by **Hassassin** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:33 am

suntzuballin wrote:
Hassassin wrote:Forget Kenneth Faried. He is a very good player but he will likely cost way too much. It's not worth it.

How did I know when I seen the front page of Real gm ppl on here will start making trade scenarios for him.Denver will probly ask for Raps 1st round pick 2014 no way! Rudy Gay thats it.

Bill Simmons mentioned that Faried might be a little "dicey" off the court in the Nuggets Grantland preview. Not sure what he was referring to because all you hear is good things about Faried.

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cammac · Post #257 » by **cammac** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:06 am

TheFreshPrince wrote:Faried likely benefits from Denver's depth. He's not relied on to do much more than dirty work and I think he could be exposed if he moves to another team where he's more of a focal point. He'll always be a good rebounder, but I don't see why you pay him big money when you have Psycho T doing a lot of the same for much less, not to mention some guy named Amir Johnson.

The reason Faried is on the maket is while dynamic is basically a one trick pony he brings defense and hustle for a undersized PF. Think our combo of Amir and Psycho is better. We have other needs.

sweetcity · Post #258 » by **sweetcity** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:00 pm

what we need is bench scoring. not another PF. Wilson Chandler is more interesting to me.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #259 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:08 pm

If someone can come up with a good Kyle Lowry deal that's reasonable for all parties, you'll get an AND1 from me. I'm having a hard time coming up with a good offer for Kyle Lowry.

douggood · Post #260 » by **douggood** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:41 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:If someone can come up with a good Kyle Lowry deal that's reasonable for all parties, you'll get an AND1 from me. I'm having a hard time coming up with a good offer for Kyle Lowry.

lowry + novak for lin + one of their young pf (jones, donatas) or overseas stashed prospect.

Houston isnt enamored with lin. Raptors avoid a sticky sitiuation with lowry, either letting him walk for nothing or potentially overpaying for him.

But yeah in general its the golden age of PG in the nba, many teams already have a serviceable pg and if not they are tanking and not interested in Lowry.