Official Speculation Thread Pt.LXII

fendilim · Post #101 » by **fendilim** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:53 am

Neon1 wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:
Neon1 wrote:
Moe's rebounding dropped off LAST year as he got more playing time. I noticed it back then, I just let it slide. The drop has continued through the offseason and preseason.

Last season splits
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lits/2013/

Preseason
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6591 ... e-harkless

Post ALl star his RPG went up to 5.3 from 3.8

And stop with the preseason stats. If we're going by that then Harris's avg 12 ppg...gross.

Moe averaged 3.8rpg in 19.6 (pre all star) to 5.3rpg in 35.7mpg (post all star). You know how to read stats don't pretend to be dumb.

Same as you know good and well Tobias averaging 12.3pts 5.0rpg 1.8apg 0.75blk in only 22.5mpg.

Which is 19.6ppg 8.0rpg 2.8apg 1.2blk per36 which you know you are well aware of. You are not clueless to this.

lol. boom.

Driguez · Post #102 » by **Driguez** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:30 am

I'm not drinking the Hark kool-aid yet. Plus I don't think he is or will be better than Harris. I'm giving Hark the benefit of the doubt though, prove me wrong young buck.

nicnac215 · Post #103 » by **nicnac215** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:35 am

If the magic get a top 3 pick and select wiggins/parker/randle I think we should try and trade Tobias for Reggie Jackson. Seems pretty fair trade for both teams and OKC could have a great small ball line up with a Harris, Durant, ibaka front court.

RYgoBOOM · Post #104 » by **RYgoBOOM** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:35 am

I think it's pitiful at how close minded some of you guys are when it comes to Moe. He's literally tho only one I see people getting all anal about just because a few others post how good they think he is/will be. It's really sad....

He's a part of this team and has improved from last year....how much improvement will be determined but give the kid a break. He did everything you could ask from him over the summber too.....Got stronger, corrected his form, and bonded with VO and Harris a lot.

A lot of you guys set him up for failure though....I feel like if he doesn't score 15ppg with 8rpg and 4apg everyone is going to cry rivers lol

blue and white · Post #105 » by **blue and white** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:58 am

was just thinking how promising tobias vic and vuc are and began wondering do we already have our big 3? i mean i hope not, none of them seem like theyll be top 3 players in the league but they all are gonna be real good once they hit their prime. if we can pair them with a top talent in this draft i think we can have a team alot like indiana. indy has alot of really good players but none of them are top 5 in the league (i dont think george is their) hes probably the 4th best sf in the league

fendilim · Post #106 » by **fendilim** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:57 am

RYgoBOOM wrote:I think it's pitiful at how close minded some of you guys are when it comes to Moe. He's literally tho only one I see people getting all anal about just because a few others post how good they think he is/will be. It's really sad....

He's a part of this team and has improved from last year....how much improvement will be determined but give the kid a break. He did everything you could ask from him over the summber too.....Got stronger, corrected his form, and bonded with VO and Harris a lot.

A lot of you guys set him up for failure though....I feel like if he doesn't score 15ppg with 8rpg and 4apg everyone is going to cry rivers lol

15 8 and 4 is a stretch for him. Even his best comparison, Trevor Ariza, cant make that.

Gomagic44 · Post #107 » by **Gomagic44** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:27 am

Perhaps I'm ignorant, but are we referring to
Current Trevor ariza or Trevor ariza at 20 years old? I get hark isn't going to turn into Lebrun James, but 20 is still incredibly young.

orlando1214 · Post #108 » by **orlando1214** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:49 am

Gomagic44 wrote:Perhaps I'm ignorant, but are we referring to
Current Trevor ariza or Trevor ariza at 20 years old? I get hark isn't going to turn into Lebrun James, but 20 is still incredibly young.

Who knows anymore. Apparently people can tell what a 20 year old that's only played one season of NBA basketball will turn into. I'm sure a lot of people in the Buck's organization last year thought they knew what Harris would turn into as well.

Gomagic44 · Post #109 » by **Gomagic44** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:19 am

orlando1214 wrote:
Gomagic44 wrote:Perhaps I'm ignorant, but are we referring to
Current Trevor ariza or Trevor ariza at 20 years old? I get hark isn't going to turn into Lebrun James, but 20 is still incredibly young.

Who knows anymore. Apparently people can tell what a 20 year old that's only played one season of NBA basketball will turn into. I'm sure a lot of people in the Buck's organization last year thought they knew what Harris would turn into as well.

Oh snap! Thanks for the positive reinforcement.

G-Heel · Post #110 » by **G-Heel** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:25 am

fendilim wrote:
RYgoBOOM wrote:I think it's pitiful at how close minded some of you guys are when it comes to Moe. He's literally tho only one I see people getting all anal about just because a few others post how good they think he is/will be. It's really sad....

He's a part of this team and has improved from last year....how much improvement will be determined but give the kid a break. He did everything you could ask from him over the summber too.....Got stronger, corrected his form, and bonded with VO and Harris a lot.

A lot of you guys set him up for failure though....I feel like if he doesn't score 15ppg with 8rpg and 4apg everyone is going to cry rivers lol

15 8 and 4 is a stretch for him. Even his best comparison, Trevor Ariza, cant make that.

Are you saying Trevor Ariza is his best case comparison?

londoncollin · Post #111 » by **londoncollin** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:55 am

Gomagic44 wrote:Perhaps I'm ignorant, but are we referring to
Current Trevor ariza or Trevor ariza at 20 years old? I get hark isn't going to turn into Lebrun James, but 20 is still incredibly young.

For real. I mean, my youngest sibling is older than him.

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The Real Dalic · Post #112 » by **The Real Dalic** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:03 am

I'm just happy we have all these young players with potential. We've come a long way from the Otis days where we would overpay for really old players.

I really like Harkless and I think he will be a very good role player for many seasons.

fendilim · Post #113 » by **fendilim** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:12 am

G-Heel wrote:
fendilim wrote:
RYgoBOOM wrote:I think it's pitiful at how close minded some of you guys are when it comes to Moe. He's literally tho only one I see people getting all anal about just because a few others post how good they think he is/will be. It's really sad....

He's a part of this team and has improved from last year....how much improvement will be determined but give the kid a break. He did everything you could ask from him over the summber too.....Got stronger, corrected his form, and bonded with VO and Harris a lot.

A lot of you guys set him up for failure though....I feel like if he doesn't score 15ppg with 8rpg and 4apg everyone is going to cry rivers lol

15 8 and 4 is a stretch for him. Even his best comparison, Trevor Ariza, cant make that.

Are you saying Trevor Ariza is his best case comparison?

YES. For now, I think Trevor Ariza is Harkless' best case scenario.

fendilim · Post #114 » by **fendilim** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:14 am

Gomagic44 wrote:Perhaps I'm ignorant, but are we referring to
Current Trevor ariza or Trevor ariza at 20 years old? I get hark isn't going to turn into Lebrun James, but 20 is still incredibly young.

2010-2011 Trevor Ariza.

londoncollin · Post #115 » by **londoncollin** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:14 am

fendilim wrote:
G-Heel wrote:
fendilim wrote:15 8 and 4 is a stretch for him. Even his best comparison, Trevor Ariza, cant make that.

Are you saying Trevor Ariza is his best case comparison?
YES. For now, I think Trevor Ariza is Harkless' best case scenario.

Best case? For a 20 year old who played center his one year of college? For real?

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fendilim · Post #116 » by **fendilim** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:19 am

londoncollin wrote:
fendilim wrote:
G-Heel wrote:
Are you saying Trevor Ariza is his best case comparison?
YES. For now, I think Trevor Ariza is Harkless' best case scenario.

Best case? For a 20 year old who played center his one year of college? For real?

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Yes.

Sure, he is just 20. But that doesn't necessarily mean he'll improve by leap and bounds either.

There's just too much skill set that he has to improve on right now. I.E. Consistently making jumpers off the dribble, driving to the hole, finishing strong, and the dribbling itself.

OrlandO · Post #117 » by **OrlandO** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:26 am

greg oden's first points in years...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4bPmxLX1hg[/youtube]

cedric76 · Post #118 » by **cedric76** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:27 am

Did u see gobert last night?

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Gomagic44 · Post #119 » by **Gomagic44** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:36 am

fendilim wrote:
G-Heel wrote:
fendilim wrote:15 8 and 4 is a stretch for him. Even his best comparison, Trevor Ariza, cant make that.

Are you saying Trevor Ariza is his best case comparison?
YES. For now, I think Trevor Ariza is Harkless' best case scenario.

I hope you mean Trevor ariza who helped contribute to a championship. Is that worse than a Chris Paul who hadn't? Everyone plays their role. I don't plan on hark becoming Scottie pippin. But a bj armstrong*my 27 year old memory is strong*, I think....is not bad. He has a role. Are you suggesting we need a team of pippins , grants and Jordan's to win?

fendilim · Post #120 » by **fendilim** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:43 am

Gomagic44 wrote:
I hope you mean Trevor ariza who helped contribute to a championship. Is that worse than a Chris Paul who hadn't? Everyone plays their role. I don't plan on hark becoming Scottie pippin. But a bj armstrong*my 27 year old memory is strong*, I think....is not bad. He has a role.

Yes, that Trevor Ariza.

Gomagic44 wrote:Are you suggesting we need a team of pippins , grants and Jordan's to win?

No.

But I do think he is potentially overrated around here. I Doubt he becomes the next Paul George, or what most predicts him to.