Official Trade Thread - Part XXIV

[Ruzious]

Does the ACA cover releasing your inner arse?

[nuposse04]

Myers Leonard is falling out of the rotation in POR...maybe we can get him??

[Nivek]

Does the ACA cover releasing your inner arse?

Yes, but you have to print the entire law single-sided.

[Ruzious]

Myers Leonard is falling out of the rotation in POR...maybe we can get him??

While he's a legitimately athletic and skilled 7 footer with an "NBA body", and he's a reasonably intelligent guy (there are a few youtube interviews with him), I think he lacks something as far as being a tough competitor. Not sure whether or not he can overcome that.

[deneem4]

This trade was posted on the trade board.

Gasol, Nash & Kelly for Okafor, Ariza & Booker.

I'm generally against any trades that artificially inflate our win total this year but this deal does make our starting lineup look rather strong.

G Wall
G Beal
F Webster
F Nene
C P. Gasol

Yeah, it's one of those trades where you think - Oh, my gorsh no no no no no. Why do we want to pick up a bunch of over the hill over-paid vets and lose next year's cap room? But then again, we're not giving up anything that we weren't likely going to keep long-term, and if EVERYTHING went well with injuries, we could win a playoff series and then, who knows?

But next season wht are we going to do? Monroe the best big available, but his defense isn't up to par and nene is goin to be a yr older coming off a tough playoff fight...

Rather jus move nene instead of okafor and start fresh, let the old head go...
.even if there's not to many options in free agency, sign and trades with monroe can net us an Aldridge or love depending on theyre season satisfaction...

Carmelo migh wan to go to a stacked team...we can be tht 3 team who get some good pieces...maybe clippers and we get blake...same type scenario with the other big name f/a...depending on if miami get back to finals...alot of team are goin to be shaken up tryn to get lebron or bosh.

Jus think we should b trying to free ourself of nene b4 he gets worse...

[J-Ves]

Myers Leonard is falling out of the rotation in POR...maybe we can get him??

They can have Seraphin, Singleton, and 2014 2nd rounder.

[deneem4]

Nene/ariza/brown/pick
For
Green/humpries/lee

Gets rid of unwated celtics contract...while not adding too much in nene, helps them in this massive tank war
Gets us depth an service players in green and lee

Nene/porter
For
Thad/spencer hawes

Helps them in tank while adding another young piece...considering phoneix gets wiggins
Gives us thad whos younger and can have same production as nene also a stretch 4 in hawes

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This trade was posted on the trade board.

Gasol, Nash & Kelly for Okafor, Ariza & Booker.

I'm generally against any trades that artificially inflate our win total this year but this deal does make our starting lineup look rather strong.

G Wall
G Beal
F Webster
F Nene
C P. Gasol

Now that the Wizards have Gortat, I think they should consider Ariza/Booker for Nash.

Gortat is almost 4 years younger than Gasol. Marcin Gortat played well with Nash from 2010-2012. Nash is only signed through 2014-2015. Nash is still WAY BETTER than Maynor. Nash was #5 in 3Pt % last season.The Lakers are going nowhere and they've got Blake and Farmar sharing PG duties with Nash. Being with the Wizards in the playoffs and backing Wall but playing a lot with Beal is a nice way to end a career for Nash.

ALSO, signing Nash would give the Wizards a real fair shot at Pau Gasol for the MLA this offseason, even with Gortat re-upped. If not Gasol, the Wizards can count on a great player wanting on for the ride. (Maybe even Okafor returns).

[LyricalRico]

^ I can't really see Nash working here, CCJ. It would either mean moving Wall to SG, or having Nash come off the bench. I don't think either player goes for either situation.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

^ I can't really see Nash working here, CCJ. It would either mean moving Wall to SG, or having Nash come off the bench. I don't think either player goes for either situation.

NO. Nash will be 40 in February. He's the third guard and no longer a starter. If Nash balks, it's not like he can't be traded.

The Lakers are going NOWHERE this season. Plus, Nash IMO is not any better than Jordan Farmar for D'Antoni's offense. He also shares minutes with Steve Blake. The Lakers plan to play him no more than 26 minutes. With Washington, Nash could play 9-12 minutes at PG and 11-15 minutes either at SG. Occasionally, all three can be on the court. Plus, many times Nash can be rested on a back-to-back game.

LR, you might be right that neither player would like the situation, initially. However, Wall's got max money but he's not yet a max player. Nash has been MVP and he can help Wall try to become MVP. I think they're far enough apart in age, athleticism, and status that there wouldn't be a rivalry at all.

The chemistry would probably be really good. Nash knows he's old.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ariza/Nash is just one thought, but several more make sense.

1. Ariza to Denver and Andre Miller to DC. Miller won't like losing minutes to Lawson and Nate Robinson.
2. Ariza to Denver for Ty Lawson. New Coach Brian Shaw might not appreciate the effort/talent of Lawson. The Nuggets new management might part with Lawson, who had a legal issue not long ago.
3. Ariza/Nene to Portland for LaMarcus Aldridge--with other future considerations added.
4. Ariza/Nene to Sacramento to acquire DMC. Boogie Cousins at PF with Gortat at C is a championship-contending front line. Wizards might have to throw Porter in and take back Jimmer/Isaiah Thomas, but there's much that works.

Lots of good Ariza trades are possible.

[LyricalRico]

^ CCJ, I agree that the Ariza+Nene package is an interesting one that could yield a solid return. But I'm expecting that the intent is to pair Nene and Gortat for at least this season. I don't think they'll shop Nene until next summer.

I can also see them keeping Ariza now that they are clearly all in for the playoffs this year. Having him start at SF would make Webster a 6th man playing SG/SF, meaning the team doesn't have to rely on the rookies (Porter and Rice Jr) right away. With the addition of Harrington, the biggest holes IMO are the limited minutes Seraphin and Maynor would play (I haven't given up on Maynor, but he hasn't impressed me either).

Gortat/Seraphin/Vesely
Nene/Harrington/Booker
Ariza/Webster/Porter
Beal/Webster/Rice
Wall/Maynor/Temple

Unless Porter proves he can be a full-time starter by the trade deadline and an Ariza for a backup C+PG package deal surfaces, I don't really see the team making any other moves.

[nate33]

Ariza/Nash is just one thought, but several more make sense.

1. Ariza to Denver and Andre Miller to DC. Miller won't like losing minutes to Lawson and Nate Robinson.
2. Ariza to Denver for Ty Lawson. New Coach Brian Shaw might not appreciate the effort/talent of Lawson. The Nuggets new management might part with Lawson, who had a legal issue not long ago.
3. Ariza/Nene to Portland for LaMarcus Aldridge--with other future considerations added.
4. Ariza/Nene to Sacramento to acquire DMC. Boogie Cousins at PF with Gortat at C is a championship-contending front line. Wizards might have to throw Porter in and take back Jimmer/Isaiah Thomas, but there's much that works.

Lots of good Ariza trades are possible.

There is no chance that we can pull off 2, 3 or 4. We lack the "future considerations" since we just traded our pick. We can't trade picks 2 years in a row, and since we don't know exactly when we'll have to cough up the pick given in the Gortat trade, it makes it difficult to trade another pick. Ultimately, that pick is likely to be granted so far into the future, that the other team won't be interested.

At this point, I think our roster for the next 2-3 years is pretty much set. We have Wall, Beal, Webster, Porter, Nene and Gortat (who is sure to be extended). All that's really left to do is to acquire a stretch four, either via trade or free agency, but Harrington can handle it for now. We are weak at backup PG, but we don't really have the luxury of spending that much money on the position. We'll have to make do with vet minimum or BAE types like Price and Maynor.

[nate33]

Unless Porter proves he can be a full-time starter by the trade deadline and an Ariza for a backup C+PG package deal surfaces, I don't really see the team making any other moves.

Agreed. The roster is set now. There are no major holes. What we need now is more young talent for the long term, but those aren't the kinds of players you find by trading guys like Ariza.

[mhd]

Ariza/Nash is just one thought, but several more make sense.

1. Ariza to Denver and Andre Miller to DC. Miller won't like losing minutes to Lawson and Nate Robinson.
2. Ariza to Denver for Ty Lawson. New Coach Brian Shaw might not appreciate the effort/talent of Lawson. The Nuggets new management might part with Lawson, who had a legal issue not long ago.
3. Ariza/Nene to Portland for LaMarcus Aldridge--with other future considerations added.
4. Ariza/Nene to Sacramento to acquire DMC. Boogie Cousins at PF with Gortat at C is a championship-contending front line. Wizards might have to throw Porter in and take back Jimmer/Isaiah Thomas, but there's much that works.

Lots of good Ariza trades are possible.

There is no chance that we can pull off 2, 3 or 4. We lack the "future considerations" since we just traded our pick. We can't trade picks 2 years in a row, and since we don't know exactly when we'll have to cough up the pick given in the Gortat trade, it makes it difficult to trade another pick. Ultimately, that pick is likely to be granted so far into the future, that the other team won't be interested.

At this point, I think our roster for the next 2-3 years is pretty much set. We have Wall, Beal, Webster, Porter, Nene and Gortat (who is sure to be extended). All that's really left to do is to acquire a stretch four, either via trade or free agency. We are weak at backup PG, but we don't really have the luxury of spending that much money on the position. We'll have to make do with vet minimum or BAE types like Price and Maynor.

If we extend Gortat, than what do we do? We still have roughly 13 million in expiring deals in Ariza, Ves, and Singleton (I assume that they keep Seraphin as a cheap big and sees if he can develop (he's got physical ability)).

I'd offer Ariza+Ves+Singleton for Jeff Green+Bass and see if Boston would bite just to get the saved cap savings.

We REALLY need Porter to come through as a pick. He needs to be that attractive cheap young piece (b/c we are not trading Wall or Beal).

[nate33]

Ariza/Nash is just one thought, but several more make sense.

1. Ariza to Denver and Andre Miller to DC. Miller won't like losing minutes to Lawson and Nate Robinson.
2. Ariza to Denver for Ty Lawson. New Coach Brian Shaw might not appreciate the effort/talent of Lawson. The Nuggets new management might part with Lawson, who had a legal issue not long ago.
3. Ariza/Nene to Portland for LaMarcus Aldridge--with other future considerations added.
4. Ariza/Nene to Sacramento to acquire DMC. Boogie Cousins at PF with Gortat at C is a championship-contending front line. Wizards might have to throw Porter in and take back Jimmer/Isaiah Thomas, but there's much that works.

Lots of good Ariza trades are possible.

There is no chance that we can pull off 2, 3 or 4. We lack the "future considerations" since we just traded our pick. We can't trade picks 2 years in a row, and since we don't know exactly when we'll have to cough up the pick given in the Gortat trade, it makes it difficult to trade another pick. Ultimately, that pick is likely to be granted so far into the future, that the other team won't be interested.

At this point, I think our roster for the next 2-3 years is pretty much set. We have Wall, Beal, Webster, Porter, Nene and Gortat (who is sure to be extended). All that's really left to do is to acquire a stretch four, either via trade or free agency. We are weak at backup PG, but we don't really have the luxury of spending that much money on the position. We'll have to make do with vet minimum or BAE types like Price and Maynor.

If we extend Gortat, than what do we do? We still have roughly 13 million in expiring deals in Ariza, Ves, and Singleton (I assume that they keep Seraphin as a cheap big and sees if he can develop (he's got physical ability)).

I'd offer Ariza+Ves+Singleton for Jeff Green+Bass and see if Boston would bite just to get the saved cap savings.

That's not a bad idea. At this point, we're all in for the next 2 seasons. We may as well sacrifice the unnecessary cap flexibility and find more veteran talent. Wait for 2016 to retool the frontcourt.

[LyricalRico]

^ That Boston deal is interesting, although we'd probably have to make Webster a full-time backup SG to have minutes for everyone (IMO Green would likely play all of his minutes at SF, and Porter would get the scraps). And then as Porter develops over the next couple years, play him and Green together for stretches.

I do think Green loses some of his value playing with a ball dominant PG like Wall since he's less off-the-ball shooter and more of a playmaking forward. If we're going to deal Ariza for frontcourt players on multi-year deals I'd probably look at other options first. (I know I posted that I don't think the Wiz will make any other moves, but I wouldn't be against it if they did).

[mhd]

^ That Boston deal is interesting, although we'd probably have to make Webster a full-time backup SG to have minutes for everyone (IMO Green would likely play all of his minutes at SF, and Porter would get the scraps). And then as Porter develops over the next couple years, play him and Green together for stretches.

I do think Green loses some of his value playing with a ball dominant PG like Wall since he's less off-the-ball shooter and more of a playmaking forward. If we're going to deal Ariza for frontcourt players on multi-year deals I'd probably look at other options first. (I know I posted that I don't think the Wiz will make any other moves, but I wouldn't be against it if they did).

Heck, take Lee back instead of Bass then. Boston would probably prefer that anyways. Lee expires alongside Green (and Nene as well). Lee would be a solid overpaid backup 2g.

PG: Wall/Maynor/Temple
SG: Beal/Lee
SF: Green/Webster/Porter
PF: Nene/Harrington/Booker
C: Gortat/Seraphin

[fishercob]

Bass for Vesely+Singleton?

Is the talent upgrade worth Bass's extra year?

[pcbothwel]

It really is scary how a lot of people on this board may not agree on everything, but still see the same opportunities/NBA landscape. Before I called it a night I was thinking about what opportunities we now have to take on salary(not impressed with 2014 FA's) for future assets. The two obvious choices of teams looking to cut salary on a rebuild would be the Laker with Nash (CCJ) and Celtics with Wallace, Green, Lee (and to a lesser extent..Bass).
We could use most of our cap space on them and then use Gortats Bird rights to resign him and go over the cap. My issue is that Green and Nash is the only ones worth (roughly) their salary and I cant see either team giving up a 1st and neither team has young talent... How could this work???
Also, you guys can forget any trade of Ariza any time soon with Porter not coming back for another month.

Side Note..While I am not a fan of his in particular, some of you should give EG a little more credit. Some of you were so sure that with the trade yesterday he would "certainly to the EFG thing" and pick up the options on Singleton/Vesely. Not only did he decline them, but he did it 5 days early.
I am not saying he is a great GM, but please stop acting like he is Isiah Thomas or Jerry Jones.