Official Trade Thread - Part XXIV

[nuposse04]

If Memphis just nose dives this season I wonder what the asking price on M. Gasol would be...

Gortat+Porter+'15 1st top 5 protected?

[deneem4]

How about
ariza/nene/s brown
For
gasol/nash

Lakers rid of nash..
Brown/young/ariza/nene/kaman can keep the team afloat til kobe come back...

We go into the playoffs as legit title contenders...
And
We start completely fresh with cap for frontcourt the next yr

[nuposse04]

I still want to do ariza and nene for gasol throw in a 2015 2nd or something...tht would make us a championship caliber team...and gives us options in free agency

Memphis would want an expiring (Gortat) a 1st rounder and a young prospect. Nene would pair well with Gasol with some High low action. We'd essentially be Memphis again, but with improved guard/wing play.

This is predicated on memphis just sucking though...which is a pipe dream I think. That is still a 50 win team over there.

[deneem4]

I still want to do ariza and nene for gasol throw in a 2015 2nd or something...tht would make us a championship caliber team...and gives us options in free agency

Memphis would want an expiring (Gortat) a 1st rounder and a young prospect. Nene would pair well with Gasol with some High low action. We'd essentially be Memphis again, but with improved guard/wing play.

This is predicated on memphis just sucking though...which is a pipe dream I think. That is still a 50 win team over there.

I meant pau gasol....I revised the post as well to be clear

ariza/nene/s brown
For
gasol/nash

Lakers rid of nash..
Brown/young/ariza/nene/kaman can keep the team afloat til kobe come back...

We go into the playoffs as legit title contenders...
And
We start completely fresh with cap for frontcourt the next yr

[Ruzious]

Unless Porter proves he can be a full-time starter by the trade deadline and an Ariza for a backup C+PG package deal surfaces, I don't really see the team making any other moves.

Agreed. The roster is set now. There are no major holes. What we need now is more young talent for the long term, but those aren't the kinds of players you find by trading guys like Ariza.

It's an interesting year for Ariza. He'll have a chance to start with a balanced lineup from 1 to 5 - as opposed to playing off the bench on a makeshift team with very little depth. Maybe we see an Ariza that we want to keep - and who makes Porter (a more valuable trade target) expendable in a trade for a higher quality big man.

[mhd]

Green has a pretty good contract. His last year is a player option. I'd see if we could target him, but I think Boston would want a young piece back (something we don't have).

[mhd]

Unless Porter proves he can be a full-time starter by the trade deadline and an Ariza for a backup C+PG package deal surfaces, I don't really see the team making any other moves.

Agreed. The roster is set now. There are no major holes. What we need now is more young talent for the long term, but those aren't the kinds of players you find by trading guys like Ariza.

It's an interesting year for Ariza. He'll have a chance to start with a balanced lineup from 1 to 5 - as opposed to playing off the bench on a makeshift team with very little depth. Maybe we see an Ariza that we want to keep - and who makes Porter (a more valuable trade target) expendable in a trade for a higher quality big man.

I think Ariza gets a minimum of a 3 year contract, and thus, makes us highly unlikely to retain him (unless we are willing to waive our Durant dreams). Ariza is an Ace defender, who is young, has playoff expierence, and would fit into any team.

[stevemcqueen1]

Now the most interesting thing to think about post-Gortat acquisition is what to do with Ariza.

Now we're really flexible with Ariza. Without any positional holes to fill in the starting five, we can deal him for any type of player. Or we can let him expire.

But I don't see letting him expire as our best course. Mainly, the UFA class this summer just doesn't look very good. The RFA class has some interesting names, but big money RFAs don't usually change teams.

Almost all of the really interesting UFAs have player options they will probably pick up or are a lock to stay with their current team. Dirk and Kobe aren't leaving at this point in their careers. I see Carmelo, Wade, LeBron, and Bosh all opting into their final year.

Bogut just extended for a lot of money, but I wouldn't have liked the idea of pursuing him at all.

Don't like the idea of going after Paul Pierce or Danny Granger. Wouldn't really want to spend a bunch of money on Luol Deng. Definitely don't want to spend significant money on any guards.

So Pau Gasol? Not really feeling it at his age. All I see our cap money being good for this summer is going after middle tier FA role players. Better to keep our cap flexibility open for the summers of 2015, or especially 2016 when Kevin Love and Kevin Durant might be UFAs.

Assuming Gortat doesn't bomb, he actually looks like our best option in FA this summer if we can get him on a two year deal. But we shouldn't need Ariza's expiring for that.

We should look to deal Ariza for some sort of upgrade or nifty long term asset. If Porter's set to return around the end of November, then that's about when you look to make a deal. Then you can start Webster and have Porter take Webster's spot on the second line. Won't have to get a SF back for Ariza.

What I would love to see is packaging Ariza with a couple of these young bigs to bring in another quality big or stretch 4. Vesely's contract is now a 3.5 million dollar expiring. Seraphin is just under 2.8 million and expiring. Singleton is 1.7. And each of them would be RFAs too I believe, so if for some bizarre reason they really catch on with another team, there would be that level of protection. Ariza's 7.8 million plus Vesely and Seraphin is 14.1 million in expiring money. That's a pretty significant amount of salary we could take back for something.

Another option would be to try and find a high quality backup PG from Ariza, but I don't like this option nearly as much as getting another quality big.

I don't really know who is out there yet, and I don't think we need to rush into a deal before Porter gets back. Pretty sure I am not interested in swapping those guys for Rudy Gay. Really not interested in swapping them for Boozer either, and I don't know if he's available anyway. I could see Chicago trying to get out of his deal though.

This deal works: Ariza + Vesely + Singleton + Seraphin for Asik + Lin.

Reason Houston does it: gives them almost all of the room they need to try and court someone like Carmelo Anthony or Chris Bosh.

We get a high quality third big man which lets us play Nene in a natural 25 MPG range. Gortat at 30 MPG. Harrington will earn minutes this season. But we need someone else to play close to 30 MPG. With Gortat and Nene able to play PF, Asik could feasibly be our third big. Lin would be a nice back up PG.

Reason not to do it is the immense price tag of Lin and Asik next year. 30 million dollars is some scratch. You definitely couldn't call Leonsis cheap if he allowed this move.

Another option I really like is Paul Millsap once he's eligible for trade. Ariza + Seraphin or Singleton makes the contracts match. Porter should be ready to play around then so the timing could be right. I love his contract and think its the exact kind of deal we need. With both Gortat and Nene able to play C. But you're almost certainly going to need to give Atlanta more than just a bunch of expirings for Millsap. I definitely wouldn't include Porter. And including draft picks is going to be tricky.

[stevemcqueen1]

Unless Porter proves he can be a full-time starter by the trade deadline and an Ariza for a backup C+PG package deal surfaces, I don't really see the team making any other moves.

Agreed. The roster is set now. There are no major holes. What we need now is more young talent for the long term, but those aren't the kinds of players you find by trading guys like Ariza.

It's an interesting year for Ariza. He'll have a chance to start with a balanced lineup from 1 to 5 - as opposed to playing off the bench on a makeshift team with very little depth. Maybe we see an Ariza that we want to keep - and who makes Porter (a more valuable trade target) expendable in a trade for a higher quality big man.

No I think it makes far more sense to take a risk on Porter long term than taking a risk on Ariza. Porter is cheaper and has a ton more upside. We've got Webster to start in the immediate future so we can afford to take this risk.

Plus Ariza is probably a more valuable trade option right now. High draft picks usually trade for a major loss when you deal them early in their careers. Dealing Porter now means selling low on him. Even if he wasn't a decent, starting caliber player, Ariza is a moderately valuable expiring. He should have trade value today.

Deal Ariza, not Porter.

[Ruzious]

Agreed. The roster is set now. There are no major holes. What we need now is more young talent for the long term, but those aren't the kinds of players you find by trading guys like Ariza.

It's an interesting year for Ariza. He'll have a chance to start with a balanced lineup from 1 to 5 - as opposed to playing off the bench on a makeshift team with very little depth. Maybe we see an Ariza that we want to keep - and who makes Porter (a more valuable trade target) expendable in a trade for a higher quality big man.

No I think it makes far more sense to take a risk on Porter long term than taking a risk on Ariza. Porter is cheaper and has a ton more upside. We've got Webster to start in the immediate future so we can afford to take this risk.

Plus Ariza is probably a more valuable trade option right now. High draft picks usually trade for a major loss when you deal them early in their careers. Dealing Porter now means selling low on him. Even if he wasn't a decent, starting caliber player, Ariza is a moderately valuable expiring. He should have trade value today.

Deal Ariza, not Porter.

You just pointed out all the reasons why Porter has far more trade value than Ariza, and then come to the conclusion that Ariza has more trade value than Porter. Your reasoning made sense, but your conclusion that Ariza has more trade value is the polar opposite of all the points you made.

[stevemcqueen1]

It's an interesting year for Ariza. He'll have a chance to start with a balanced lineup from 1 to 5 - as opposed to playing off the bench on a makeshift team with very little depth. Maybe we see an Ariza that we want to keep - and who makes Porter (a more valuable trade target) expendable in a trade for a higher quality big man.

No I think it makes far more sense to take a risk on Porter long term than taking a risk on Ariza. Porter is cheaper and has a ton more upside. We've got Webster to start in the immediate future so we can afford to take this risk.

Plus Ariza is probably a more valuable trade option right now. High draft picks usually trade for a major loss when you deal them early in their careers. Dealing Porter now means selling low on him. Even if he wasn't a decent, starting caliber player, Ariza is a moderately valuable expiring. He should have trade value today.

Deal Ariza, not Porter.

You just pointed out all the reasons why Porter has far more trade value than Ariza, and then come to the conclusion that Ariza has more trade value than Porter. Your reasoning made sense, but your conclusion that Ariza has more trade value is the polar opposite of all the points you made.

Yeah, you're right.

Porter should be more valuable than Ariza.

I didn't make my thought process clear. What I should have said is that Ariza will be easier to deal for fair value than Porter will be. I think it's really difficult to trade high lotto picks for good value early in their careers, before they start actualizing their potential. You're likely to have to sell low on them, like Sacramento and Houston did with Thomas Robinson.

On the flip side, Ariza's trade value is pretty clear. The league knows what kind of player he is and expiring contracts are really tradeable. I think you can deal him and realistically expect to get back what he's worth in return.

[nate33]

Another option is to simply resign Ariza. He'll probably get MLE offers from elsewhere, but we could use Bird Rights and sign him for a bit more, in exchange for him agreeing to make it a 2-year deal.

I would really want Ariza to commit to gaining a few pounds with the intent to play some stretch four if we retained him.

[mhd]

Another option is to simply resign Ariza. He'll probably get MLE offers from elsewhere, but we could use Bird Rights and sign him for a bit more, in exchange for him agreeing to make it a 2-year deal.

I would really want Ariza to commit to gaining a few pounds with the intent to play some stretch four if we retained him.

I don't see it Nate. Ariza is going to want as long a deal as possible. Some contender out there, is going to give him 4 years. He's not taking a 2 year deal, especially from a GM who wanted to trade him away for over-the-hill Caron Butler.

[nate33]

I dunno. Ariza might prefer a 2-year $17M contract here rather than a 4-year, $25M contract offered by some other team.

That said, I agree that retaining Ariza is unlikely. A lot will depend upon the success of the Wizards this season, and the development of Porter. If we suck this year, Ariza will be more inclined to move on elsewhere. And if Porter plays really well over the 2nd half of the season, then the Wizards will be less inclined to pay big money for depth at SF. The only scenario where it makes some sense for both parties for Ariza to stay is if the team has significant success but Porter stinks.

[stevemcqueen1]

I think dealing Ariza is a risk we need to take. Between Porter and Webster, we're well insulated against losing him. We've got this asset sitting there. We're a piece or two away from a special season.

[hands11]

This trade was posted on the trade board.

Gasol, Nash & Kelly for Okafor, Ariza & Booker.

I'm generally against any trades that artificially inflate our win total this year but this deal does make our starting lineup look rather strong.

G Wall
G Beal
F Webster
F Nene
C P. Gasol

Now that the Wizards have Gortat, I think they should consider Ariza/Booker for Nash.

Gortat is almost 4 years younger than Gasol. Marcin Gortat played well with Nash from 2010-2012. Nash is only signed through 2014-2015. Nash is still WAY BETTER than Maynor. Nash was #5 in 3Pt % last season.The Lakers are going nowhere and they've got Blake and Farmar sharing PG duties with Nash. Being with the Wizards in the playoffs and backing Wall but playing a lot with Beal is a nice way to end a career for Nash.

ALSO, signing Nash would give the Wizards a real fair shot at Pau Gasol for the MLA this offseason, even with Gortat re-upped. If not Gasol, the Wizards can count on a great player wanting on for the ride. (Maybe even Okafor returns).

Interesting idea CCJ.

But is also give them a nice shot at is DIRK

And Nash could really teach Wall some things.

[hands11]

I think dealing Ariza is a risk we need to take. Between Porter and Webster, we're well insulated against losing him. We've got this asset sitting there. We're a piece or two away from a special season.

How did that happen ?

[JAR69]

The Wizards should be exploring a minor trade that would open up a little more room under the lux tax limit for a potential trade later this season. According to Hoopsworld, they are about $979,000 under the limit now, including all the new salaries. Assuming they have no plan to keep Marshall over Singleton, they should be talking to teams under the cap who might want to take a flyer (flier?) on Marshall about trading him and his $2 million salary for a phantom 2nd round pick (top 57 protected or something like that). The Wizards would throw in the $2 million to pay for Marshall's salary, which they would be paying him anyway if they just cut him. If there is a trade to be made later in the season in which the Wizards would need to take back more salary under the 150% rule, they could do it without going over the limit.

Wizards also could take back a minimum contract and save less space.

[Ruzious]

The Wizards should be exploring a minor trade that would open up a little more room under the lux tax limit for a potential trade later this season. According to Hoopsworld, they are about $979,000 under the limit now, including all the new salaries. Assuming they have no plan to keep Marshall over Singleton, they should be talking to teams under the cap who might want to take a flyer (flier?) on Marshall about trading him and his $2 million salary for a phantom 2nd round pick (top 57 protected or something like that). The Wizards would throw in the $2 million to pay for Marshall's salary, which they would be paying him anyway if they just cut him. If there is a trade to be made later in the season in which the Wizards would need to take back more salary under the 150% rule, they could do it without going over the limit.

Wizards also could take back a minimum contract and save less space.

Why would any team trade anything for a young PG that even a rebuilding team in pure tank mode like Phoenix has no interest in? The unhappiness expressed about this trade over not keeping Marshall is silly. I can understand being unhappy about the trade - but basing that on not keeping Marshall... I don't understand. Teams have already set their rosters. He's got no trade value. They're probably keeping Singleton (for the moment), because his salary can be more useful as potential trade filler.

[deneem4]

Okc wants singleton...they think he can be sefo at sf
Bulls want vesley...they think he can be asik pt 2...
A couple of teams like seraphinn

But tht nash idea is a good one....still think we should flip nene for pau.

Ariza/booker/nene/brown/2015 2nd
For
Pau/nash

Should be enough to make the lakers bite

Not only we become contenders this yr we go into offseason with only

Wall/maynor
Beal/rice jr
Webster/porter
....
/Seraphin