Trade Landscape/Trade Ideas

[Andrew McCeltic]

Pogue: With you on every aspect of those trades except the first-rounders. DEN would probably be happy to dump salary/redundant depth.. the POR trade is a harder sell for the Blazers, and I don't see them wanting to unload Batum without a high lotto pick in return. But I also think, as much as those trades would improve our roster, they're also a little bit 'too clever'- we'd get better, maybe, but not dramatically so. A lot rides on your pet preferences for players and line-ups and the possibility of players improving in different situations. Nothing wrong with those preferences, it's just an extremely intricate (And therefore unlikely) scenario for improving the team. Take out the BOS pick and Sullinger and I'm in.

Re: Hayward:

Would love to do Green for Hayward/Jefferson.. I'm sure we've called about it, because of Stevens.

[24istheLAW]

Would love to do Green for Hayward/Jefferson.. I'm sure we've called about it, because of Stevens.

Al Jeff? He's a Bobcat now.

And re: Pogue Mahone's proposal being too "intricate"... that's precisely the point. He's trying to find a way to create synergy on the court. Buy guys at a reduced cost relative to what they would be worth for us, in a system tailored to them.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Richard Jefferson...


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[Andrew McCeltic]

And I get the DEN trade but Sullinger Green and a lotto pick for Batum is a star's trade compensation, hardly reduced value


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[NewWolvesOrder]

Derrick Williams for Bass and 2 of Nets' future picks?

[Andrew McCeltic]

2 1sts is a heck of a lot for Derrick Williams..

[Pogue Mahone]

And I get the DEN trade but Sullinger Green and a lotto pick for Batum is a star's trade compensation, hardly reduced value

Batum's passing is what really separates him from a lot of other big wings, for me.

I know highlight videos aren't 100% indicative, but please imagine the following two players on the court together:

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Wilson Chandler

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHqiZXvsXUc[/youtube]
Nicolas Batum

Now, again, in my mind's eye, at least, Rondo is the primary creator and distributor. Batum is the secondary (very underrated passer, imo.) Olynyk, when on the floor with those players, can create from the frontcourt.

Chandler and Batum are very adapt on the spot-up, as well as putting it on the floor for 2-3 dribbles. I also think that Rondo and Batum are both really good at finding players on backcuts. Batum, Bradley, Chandler and Wallace are all above average at moving without the ball.

I do worry about the interior of the defense, however. I think offensively, Faverani would be fine because he has the hands and the ability to finish. Ideally, though, I would sacrifice some of that finishing ability for a bit more shotblocking/rebounding on the other end.

I also would like a Bobby Jackson/Vinnie Johnson/Lou Williams/Leandro Barbosa type to eat possessions on the 2nd unit and put up points.

And just because we are talking about pet players, I want Hassan Whiteside as a developmental big.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yeah they're both good players it's a matter of what we give up..

Also, if Batum, like Aldridge, is a star we should trade for, why was Portland so bad last year?


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[Pogue Mahone]

Yeah they're both good players it's a matter of what we give up..

Also, if Batum, like Aldridge, is a star we should trade for, why was Portland so bad last year?

IMO, Aldridge isn't a star. He is a defensive dog and has way too much Amar'e in his game. DO NOT WANT.

[sully00]

The problem with Batum is that he isn't a scorer but he is paid to be one. He is a better shooting no defense playing version of Iguodala. A nice player but not someone you can give a lot up for.

The luxury Rondo provides is that you can afford to go get that black hole whether it is on the wing or in the post. You can go get that guy that is all about his and not going to create a lot for others. On top of the that Ainge has acquired some young bigs in Sullinger and KO who are very good passers.

I think Boston is in a great position to take a flyer on anyone, move some salary and a draft pick type of moves. But they have to be real careful in putting together too many assets for less than premium talent. Batum is a lot closer to Jeff Green than he is to Paul Pierce.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Another long-term possibility is just to seize opportunities for marginal upgrades.. Like, in the last rebuilding era, Eric Williams became Ricky Davis became Wally Z became Ray Allen.

[Ed Pinkney]

Evan Turner, Thaddeus Young and Spencer Hawes names have floated about as players who might get moved.

[Parliament10]

I say that we keep the core that we have -- Rondo / Bradley / Green / Sullinger.
Everyone has their pluses and minuses. Bradley is probably the weakest link there.
Backup: Pressey / Lee or Brooks / (Wallace) / Olynyk / Faverani.

Lee & Brooks, each have to make a case for themselves, to stay on this team.
Wallace, is obviously aging, and makes TOO DAMN MUCH. He may stay the season though.
Bass, is very limited in his BBIQ. He just looks lost.
Crawford is gone, once Rondo gets back to full steam.
Bogans & Humphries are the most glaring Trade Bait. We just don't need them.

What we do need: is another (and more experienced) Center; we need to strengthen our Backup PG position; and we need some fast breaking Shooters, with high BBIQ. Preferably someone behind Green for the longer haul. -- And of course, we need to stay under the Tax, and even get that rebate back.

Finally, we need to let this young team gain a year of experience, playing with each other, and growing together. The grass will Always be greener. No sense in minor tweaks.
-- I wouldn't break this team up, unless there is a "Significant" reason to.

[FlatearthZorro]

I like Thaddues Young, but with the players we have, he makes no sense unless we trade more than 1 PF....

Batum and Chandler have always seemed like they were on the verge of being really good, and then they haven't turned out the way I thought they would, but both still have potential. Chandler's contract is pretty decent. At his rate, I would have him over Jeff Green, mostly cause Wilson is so much cheaper.


All 3 players are really interesting, with our current roster tho, I don't see a way for us to get them.


P.S. Hawes and Turner are scrubs.(Hawes can be a decent back up center on a good team, nothing more)

[BleedGreen1989]

Batum is a lot closer to Jeff Green than he is to Paul Pierce.

And1

[Andrew McCeltic]

Evan Turner, Thaddeus Young and Spencer Hawes names have floated about as players who might get moved.

What's with the fire sale in Philly? Are they having financial issues? I get "tanking," but hell, their own coach just said a week ago that they had "six NBA players," and now they're going to move three of them..

[Slartibartfast]

And I get the DEN trade but Sullinger Green and a lotto pick for Batum is a star's trade compensation, hardly reduced value

Batum's passing is what really separates him from a lot of other big wings, for me.

Now, again, in my mind's eye, at least, Rondo is the primary creator and distributor. Batum is the secondary (very underrated passer, imo.) Olynyk, when on the floor with those players, can create from the frontcourt.

Chandler and Batum are very adapt on the spot-up, as well as putting it on the floor for 2-3 dribbles. I also think that Rondo and Batum are both really good at finding players on backcuts. Batum, Bradley, Chandler and Wallace are all above average at moving without the ball.

I do worry about the interior of the defense, however. I think offensively, Faverani would be fine because he has the hands and the ability to finish. Ideally, though, I would sacrifice some of that finishing ability for a bit more shotblocking/rebounding on the other end.

I also would like a Bobby Jackson/Vinnie Johnson/Lou Williams/Leandro Barbosa type to eat possessions on the 2nd unit and put up points.

And just because we are talking about pet players, I want Hassan Whiteside as a developmental big.

Sounds like the 05/06 Suns team that had Marion and Diaw complementing Nash and Barbosa filling it up off the bench. That was a fun team - tremendous defensive quickness and potent offensively even without a big name go-to scorer.

They had similar problems with interior D though - Tim Thomas was a nice weapon offensively, but they had nobody to close down the paint. And they didn't have anyone with the size to stop Dirk either.

[Slartibartfast]

Evan Turner, Thaddeus Young and Spencer Hawes names have floated about as players who might get moved.

So they want to move their only 3 good players?

I'd like to add Spencer Hawes. Very underrated big man. Not great on either end, but skilled with legit size and length. The kind of guy who can fit next to a lot of different players.

Bass and the Nets pick for Hawes?

[sully00]

I was thinking Humphries and Crawford and the Nets pick for Turner and Hawes. I would expand the deal and include Bogans and Brooks and and a future first if they want to kick in Young as well.

[Slartibartfast]

Turner would be nice to have while Rondo's out - a nice pairing with Bradley with his 2-guard size and playmaking ability. I wonder what Philly's asking price for him would be.