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Re: ATL - Gortat to Wiz trade/Bogut signs 3/$43 million! 

Post#121 » by trwi7 » Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:41 pm

Serge Ibaka and his girlfriend nailed it.
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Post#122 » by bizarro » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:15 am

trwi7 wrote:Serge Ibaka and his girlfriend nailed it.


Seriously! Major props for bringing back the love for a classic movie. My only question is where is Mr. Randy Watson?
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Post#123 » by paul » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:30 am

trwi7 wrote:Serge Ibaka and his girlfriend nailed it.


So much this.

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Post#124 » by paul » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:40 am

Regardless of your thoughts on the Bogut deal it's yet another fabulous endorsement of our asset management ability - the guy we traded gets a 3/$43m contract from the team he went to while we would have paid the guy we got back to leave town.

The guy we traded gets plenty of credit for changing the entire nature of the franchise he went to from soft offense me-first ball to hard defense team-first ball while the guy we got back almost singlehandedly drove our GM to turnover almost our entire roster. The guy we traded is running rookie pranks and getting along great with his teammates while the guy we got back got into a lockeroom fight with our best player - presumably about thinking he was our best player. The team we traded with has gone from a laughing stock the day before to a potential title contender while we've gone from a team that were going to succeed in our mission to get the 8th seed to a team that's going to try and fail horribly to complete that same mission.

yay us. On with the season!
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Re: ATL - Gortat to Wiz trade/Bogut signs 3/$43 million! 

Post#125 » by paul » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:56 am

Also I'm a bit behind on this, but Gortat really isn't very good.

Losing him isn't going to add a lot of losses to Pheonix and adding him isn't going to add a lot of wins to Washington unless Wall suddenly becomes Steve Nash in the pick and roll, which he won't. Honestly up and going Okafor is probably the better player of the two if neither of them have Nash on their team.

The story of this trade is the dumping of Marshall. It's gone under the radar, but for a team seemingly a perfect fit for a young PG with the departure of Nash this was a Joe Alexander level failure.
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Re: ATL - Gortat to Wiz trade/Bogut signs 3/$43 million! 

Post#126 » by Bad Midget » Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:05 am

paul wrote:Regardless of your thoughts on the Bogut deal it's yet another fabulous endorsement of our asset management ability - the guy we traded gets a 3/$43m contract from the team he went to while we would have paid the guy we got back to leave town.

The guy we traded gets plenty of credit for changing the entire nature of the franchise he went to from soft offense me-first ball to hard defense team-first ball while the guy we got back almost singlehandedly drove our GM to turnover almost our entire roster. The guy we traded is running rookie pranks and getting along great with his teammates while the guy we got back got into a lockeroom fight with our best player - presumably about thinking he was our best player. The team we traded with has gone from a laughing stock the day before to a potential title contender while we've gone from a team that were going to succeed in our mission to get the 8th seed to a team that's going to try and fail horribly to complete that same mission.

yay us. On with the season!


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Re: ATL - Gortat to Wiz trade/Bogut signs 3/$43 million! 

Post#127 » by bizarro » Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:41 am

paul wrote:
trwi7 wrote:Serge Ibaka and his girlfriend nailed it.


So much this.

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Re: ATL - Gortat to Wiz trade/Bogut signs 3/$43 million! 

Post#128 » by bizarro » Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:49 am

Bad Midget wrote:
paul wrote:Regardless of your thoughts on the Bogut deal it's yet another fabulous endorsement of our asset management ability - the guy we traded gets a 3/$43m contract from the team he went to while we would have paid the guy we got back to leave town.

The guy we traded gets plenty of credit for changing the entire nature of the franchise he went to from soft offense me-first ball to hard defense team-first ball while the guy we got back almost singlehandedly drove our GM to turnover almost our entire roster. The guy we traded is running rookie pranks and getting along great with his teammates while the guy we got back got into a lockeroom fight with our best player - presumably about thinking he was our best player. The team we traded with has gone from a laughing stock the day before to a potential title contender while we've gone from a team that were going to succeed in our mission to get the 8th seed to a team that's going to try and fail horribly to complete that same mission.

yay us. On with the season!


I sense somebody who's butthurt. Over Andrew Bogut. Sad day.


Retort: Fail.

This isn't rocket science.

Whether or not you like Andrew Bogut is irrelevant. His positive impact on a team is undeniable. When he is healthy, the defense of a team improves immensely. He's a top 3 Center in the league in that department Without question. If healthy. We all know he is severely limited offensively. He's shown marginal improvement over his career. He was on an ascent for a brief period of time and then the elbow injury happened and we'll probably never know what could have been for his offensive game. That being said, it was always average to below average.

What has Monta Ellis ever done for a professional franchise? His impact on the game is definitively negative over the course of a season. I believe this is also indisputable. Sure, he'll have an occasional 1 in 15 games where he actually shoots an acceptable percentage; makes his acrobatic $wag fadeaway jumpers...but, his overall basketball IQ is continually diminished under the weight of his own ego. And, his teams are continually mired in mediocrity. Given this, it's a miracle we didn't resign him...though surely we tried.
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Re: ATL - Gortat to Wiz trade/Bogut signs 3/$43 million! 

Post#129 » by Bad Midget » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:39 am

bizarro wrote:
Bad Midget wrote:
paul wrote:Regardless of your thoughts on the Bogut deal it's yet another fabulous endorsement of our asset management ability - the guy we traded gets a 3/$43m contract from the team he went to while we would have paid the guy we got back to leave town.

The guy we traded gets plenty of credit for changing the entire nature of the franchise he went to from soft offense me-first ball to hard defense team-first ball while the guy we got back almost singlehandedly drove our GM to turnover almost our entire roster. The guy we traded is running rookie pranks and getting along great with his teammates while the guy we got back got into a lockeroom fight with our best player - presumably about thinking he was our best player. The team we traded with has gone from a laughing stock the day before to a potential title contender while we've gone from a team that were going to succeed in our mission to get the 8th seed to a team that's going to try and fail horribly to complete that same mission.

yay us. On with the season!


I sense somebody who's butthurt. Over Andrew Bogut. Sad day.


Retort: Fail.

This isn't rocket science.

Whether or not you like Andrew Bogut is irrelevant. His positive impact on a team is undeniable. When he is healthy, the defense of a team improves immensely. He's a top 3 Center in the league in that department Without question. If healthy. We all know he is severely limited offensively. He's shown marginal improvement over his career. He was on an ascent for a brief period of time and then the elbow injury happened and we'll probably never know what could have been for his offensive game. That being said, it was always average to below average.

What has Monta Ellis ever done for a professional franchise? His impact on the game is definitively negative over the course of a season. I believe this is also indisputable. Sure, he'll have an occasional 1 in 15 games where he actually shoots an acceptable percentage; makes his acrobatic $wag fadeaway jumpers...but, his overall basketball IQ is continually diminished under the weight of his own ego. And, his teams are continually mired in mediocrity. Given this, it's a miracle we didn't resign him...though surely we tried.


Monta Ellis sucks. Andrew Bogut is never healthy. Let's move on because both players are irrelevant.
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Post#131 » by paul » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:48 am

Bad Midget wrote:
bizarro wrote:
Bad Midget wrote:
I sense somebody who's butthurt. Over Andrew Bogut. Sad day.


Retort: Fail.

This isn't rocket science.

Whether or not you like Andrew Bogut is irrelevant. His positive impact on a team is undeniable. When he is healthy, the defense of a team improves immensely. He's a top 3 Center in the league in that department Without question. If healthy. We all know he is severely limited offensively. He's shown marginal improvement over his career. He was on an ascent for a brief period of time and then the elbow injury happened and we'll probably never know what could have been for his offensive game. That being said, it was always average to below average.

What has Monta Ellis ever done for a professional franchise? His impact on the game is definitively negative over the course of a season. I believe this is also indisputable. Sure, he'll have an occasional 1 in 15 games where he actually shoots an acceptable percentage; makes his acrobatic $wag fadeaway jumpers...but, his overall basketball IQ is continually diminished under the weight of his own ego. And, his teams are continually mired in mediocrity. Given this, it's a miracle we didn't resign him...though surely we tried.


Monta Ellis sucks. Andrew Bogut is never healthy. Let's move on because both players are irrelevant.


I purposely didn't make my point specifically about either Bogut or Monta as players but rather about the epic failure of asset management, which I thought was pretty obvious.

This was not a 'I love this guy' or 'I hate this guy' post despite your best efforts to make it one, it simply pointed out how horrifically we tossed away the asset, again. Everyone is fully aware of my views on Bogut and Monta as players, I didn't really feel the need to get into that.
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Re: ATL - Gortat to Wiz trade/Bogut signs 3/$43 million! 

Post#132 » by blazza18 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:49 am

Bad Midget wrote:
bizarro wrote:
Bad Midget wrote:
I sense somebody who's butthurt. Over Andrew Bogut. Sad day.


Retort: Fail.

This isn't rocket science.

Whether or not you like Andrew Bogut is irrelevant. His positive impact on a team is undeniable. When he is healthy, the defense of a team improves immensely. He's a top 3 Center in the league in that department Without question. If healthy. We all know he is severely limited offensively. He's shown marginal improvement over his career. He was on an ascent for a brief period of time and then the elbow injury happened and we'll probably never know what could have been for his offensive game. That being said, it was always average to below average.

What has Monta Ellis ever done for a professional franchise? His impact on the game is definitively negative over the course of a season. I believe this is also indisputable. Sure, he'll have an occasional 1 in 15 games where he actually shoots an acceptable percentage; makes his acrobatic $wag fadeaway jumpers...but, his overall basketball IQ is continually diminished under the weight of his own ego. And, his teams are continually mired in mediocrity. Given this, it's a miracle we didn't resign him...though surely we tried.


Monta Ellis sucks. Andrew Bogut is never healthy. Let's move on because both players are irrelevant.


The players were irrelevant in what Paul was saying. Our lame duck franchise **** the bed, again.
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Re: ATL - Gortat to Wiz trade/Bogut signs 3/$43 million! 

Post#133 » by paul » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:53 am

bizarro wrote:
paul wrote:
trwi7 wrote:Serge Ibaka and his girlfriend nailed it.


So much this.

bizarro wrote:My only question is where is Mr. Randy Watson?


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Post#134 » by Bad Midget » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:08 am

paul wrote:
Bad Midget wrote:
bizarro wrote:
Retort: Fail.

This isn't rocket science.

Whether or not you like Andrew Bogut is irrelevant. His positive impact on a team is undeniable. When he is healthy, the defense of a team improves immensely. He's a top 3 Center in the league in that department Without question. If healthy. We all know he is severely limited offensively. He's shown marginal improvement over his career. He was on an ascent for a brief period of time and then the elbow injury happened and we'll probably never know what could have been for his offensive game. That being said, it was always average to below average.

What has Monta Ellis ever done for a professional franchise? His impact on the game is definitively negative over the course of a season. I believe this is also indisputable. Sure, he'll have an occasional 1 in 15 games where he actually shoots an acceptable percentage; makes his acrobatic $wag fadeaway jumpers...but, his overall basketball IQ is continually diminished under the weight of his own ego. And, his teams are continually mired in mediocrity. Given this, it's a miracle we didn't resign him...though surely we tried.


Monta Ellis sucks. Andrew Bogut is never healthy. Let's move on because both players are irrelevant.


I purposely didn't make my point specifically about either Bogut or Monta as players but rather about the epic failure of asset management, which I thought was pretty obvious.

This was not a 'I love this guy' or 'I hate this guy' post despite your best efforts to make it one, it simply pointed out how horrifically we tossed away the asset, again. Everyone is fully aware of my views on Bogut and Monta as players, I didn't really feel the need to get into that.


Eh that is a very valid point I ignored.
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Post#135 » by AussieBuck » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:11 am

paul wrote:Also I'm a bit behind on this, but Gortat really isn't very good.

Losing him isn't going to add a lot of losses to Pheonix and adding him isn't going to add a lot of wins to Washington unless Wall suddenly becomes Steve Nash in the pick and roll, which he won't. Honestly up and going Okafor is probably the better player of the two if neither of them have Nash on their team.

The story of this trade is the dumping of Marshall. It's gone under the radar, but for a team seemingly a perfect fit for a young PG with the departure of Nash this was a Joe Alexander level failure.

Gortat may not be great but he's a lot better than nobody. Washington had a big hole to fill and they've at least card boarded over it.
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Re: ATL - Gortat to Wiz trade/Bogut signs 3/$43 million! 

Post#136 » by paul » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:19 am

AussieBuck wrote:
paul wrote:Also I'm a bit behind on this, but Gortat really isn't very good.

Losing him isn't going to add a lot of losses to Pheonix and adding him isn't going to add a lot of wins to Washington unless Wall suddenly becomes Steve Nash in the pick and roll, which he won't. Honestly up and going Okafor is probably the better player of the two if neither of them have Nash on their team.

The story of this trade is the dumping of Marshall. It's gone under the radar, but for a team seemingly a perfect fit for a young PG with the departure of Nash this was a Joe Alexander level failure.

Gortat may not be great but he's a lot better than nobody. Washington had a big hole to fill and they've at least card boarded over it.


I don't hate the trade for the Wiz or anything just don't think it's nearly the super deal for them some were suggesting, not based on Gortat being a massive upgrade over Okafor when playing anyway, though I get that he's out.
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Post#137 » by stellation » Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:02 am

Bad Midget wrote:
bizarro wrote:
Bad Midget wrote:
I sense somebody who's butthurt. Over Andrew Bogut. Sad day.


Retort: Fail.

This isn't rocket science.

Whether or not you like Andrew Bogut is irrelevant. His positive impact on a team is undeniable. When he is healthy, the defense of a team improves immensely. He's a top 3 Center in the league in that department Without question. If healthy. We all know he is severely limited offensively. He's shown marginal improvement over his career. He was on an ascent for a brief period of time and then the elbow injury happened and we'll probably never know what could have been for his offensive game. That being said, it was always average to below average.

What has Monta Ellis ever done for a professional franchise? His impact on the game is definitively negative over the course of a season. I believe this is also indisputable. Sure, he'll have an occasional 1 in 15 games where he actually shoots an acceptable percentage; makes his acrobatic $wag fadeaway jumpers...but, his overall basketball IQ is continually diminished under the weight of his own ego. And, his teams are continually mired in mediocrity. Given this, it's a miracle we didn't resign him...though surely we tried.


Monta Ellis sucks. Andrew Bogut is never healthy. Let's move on because both players are irrelevant.

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Post#138 » by stellation » Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:08 am

AussieBuck wrote:
paul wrote:Also I'm a bit behind on this, but Gortat really isn't very good.

Losing him isn't going to add a lot of losses to Pheonix and adding him isn't going to add a lot of wins to Washington unless Wall suddenly becomes Steve Nash in the pick and roll, which he won't. Honestly up and going Okafor is probably the better player of the two if neither of them have Nash on their team.

The story of this trade is the dumping of Marshall. It's gone under the radar, but for a team seemingly a perfect fit for a young PG with the departure of Nash this was a Joe Alexander level failure.

Gortat may not be great but he's a lot better than nobody. Washington had a big hole to fill and they've at least card boarded over it.

At the risk of being politically incorrect (see previous "have been drinking", gimme a break- I live in the Blue Mountains, been a crazy week or so and just coming down to land!) I believe the use of Marcin means the appropriate statement is "Washington had a big hole to fill and they've at least spakka-filled over it."
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Re: ATL - Gortat to Wiz trade/Bogut signs 3/$43 million! 

Post#139 » by Jez2983 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:12 am

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Post#140 » by frankmat » Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:33 pm

Bucks fans saying Bogut is overpaid... after you tried to get Jennings to stay is one of the more ridiculous things I've heard :lol:

Funny thing was Bogut was the only player probably in Bucks history of that sort of calibre that actually WANTED to stay in Milwaukee and liked living there. Instead you traded him for a ME first chucker to go along with the long line of Me first chuckers like Jennings, Redd, Me Williams etc etc.

$12 mill for a guy that the Warriors GM said was the most important player on their roster, the MVP of the playoffs and the only reason they beat Denver and took the Spurs to 6 games. That's hardly overpaying... especially when his weakness (offense) is not needed at a club that contains offense with Curry, Thompson, Lee, Barnes and Iguodala. There isn't another C in this league GSW could have gotten for $12 mill that would have had as much of an impact on the team as Bogut has.

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