The Official Do we extend Gortat thread

[Knighthonor]

When are they going to go for a skilled Big?

JV/KS doesnt cut it. They good, but avg as well. I am talking about a skilled asset big. tired of them holding on to these vet bigs that leave shortly afterwards.

[rockymac52]

Gortat is much better than the majority of people on this board by seem to think.

I liked him when he was a sub for Dwight Howard. Gortat was terrific his first full season with Phoenix. The Suns were still better last season, despite Gortat's injuries. with Marcin on the court than without him.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... -off/2012/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... -off/2013/

In three seasons with Phoenix, Gortat's PER was 18.5 and his WS/48 was .147
His career playoff ORtg (both Orlando playoffs and Phoenix playoff season) is 129.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... l_advanced

Gortat' is IMO potentially better than the best of Caron Butler or Antawn Jamison; two other Ernie Grunfeld acquisitions, who each made the All Star team as Wizards. He's going to make a huge impact if he remains healthy. Gortat is MUCH better than Seraphin. He's better than Okafor. He's going to be terrific with Nene.

YES. Resign him, unless there are injury concerns.

This player didn't make this team mediocre for the foreseeable future. Quite the opposite. Beal's going to be wide open or rarely double teamed. Wall will have a big man all the time, Nene or Gortat, who can score with great accuracy. Now there is a shot blocking C with good offense on the Wizards. (And there's also a really nice stretch four with some size in Al Harrington). Gortat's made the roster complete.

The Wizards have a chance, if they keep their defense on the wings, to win over 50 games and be the 4th seed in the east. I don't see Chicago being better than the Wizards per se, if Wall manages the team and his ego, and if Beal improves as much as I think he will. The team and Wittman better recognize Gortat as better than they have.

Only Randy Wittman can mess up by not starting Gortat.

The Wizards already showed ignorance when they waived Shannon Brown and Kendall Marshall. Either of them would have been solid additions. So, although I think Gortat's very good and should be re-upped, I'm not sure the Wizards won't mess up and try to be cheap (having already decided against re-upping Gortat, or by benching him and making sure he bolts as a FA); or that the Wizards management has eyes on something other than winning.

Why wouldn't you resign potentially the best C the Wizards have had in 25-30 years (the length of this playoff drought)

Agree wholeheartedly with all your thoughts on Gortat here. Kinda agree on Shannon Brown too, although he's not really a good player and he would expect too many minutes, so it's okay that he's gone. But at the same time, he's clearly better than Singleton, for example. But at least Singleton is a good defender. Marshall is terrible though.

Gortat is a HUGE upgrade for us.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

CCJ, why do you think there's a good chance Wittman's not going to start Gortat?

I don't have any good reason to think he will, but I read something yesterday about Gortat not being necessarily the starter. Ruz, I thought that was insane and cause for concern if the coaches do something different than start Gortat over Seraphin and Harrington. I can see them making Gortat earn a start, learn the plays, etc. Vesely is a Euro and IMO there's plenty of impatience from coaching with Jan. Yes, I do mean Wittman this time. I like Wittman and praise him 90% of the time; but he's also a hard ass on certain players IMO. He would be wise to trust Gortat on faith and this trade's merits rather than try to make him work in slowly, all the while playing favorites.

So, no, I don't have a reason but I did read somewhere (and will post the link if I can find it) that Gortat might not start, Ruz.

Shannon Brown and Kendall Marshall are end of the bench caliber players that you can get any time. You can maybe make a case that Brown can be a little better than that, but he's not a good player. The only reasons they were included in the trade were - Phoenix (a rebuilding team) had no interest in them, and their contracts made the trade work. If anyone picks up either, they'll likely get paid the minimum - because no team thinks much of them. It wasn't ignorant to cut them - considering we were over the 15 player limit.

Two different players. Not merely end of bench IMO. Either, a better option to retain than Chris Singleton. No doubt about that. The Wizards will renounce both Singleton and Vesely. There's no way Singleton plays … unless Randy Wittman plays him at PF ahead of Booker. What's the point of keeping Chris Singleton? Too many wings on this team are better. Shannon Brown is an experienced, scoring, back up SG. He's an explosive scorer who started on the same .500 in the West team Gortat played his best ball with.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2012.html

Ruz, I'm so glad you posted! If the Wizards want better chemistry, and they want a player who played with Gortat and knows how good Marcin is; they should have kept Brown over Chris Singleton, who by virtue of numbers has no hope. He's been renounced. This is where Ernie lacks critical thinking skills IMO. Make logical moves. This is one way they could have gone. Brown's not just below average, Ruz. He played on a NBA championship team with Trevor Ariza. (Brown has 2 rings! He played after the Ariza/Artest trade. Ernie, chess players think Brown's tight with Pau Gasol. I am hypercritical at times but I just want the Wizards to do better. I won't talk behind your back. I will explain, too.)

Ruz, Shannon Brown is a 2-time NBA Champ. Dumb ass move to waive him. And he played with Gortat--way to make Gortat feel worse. He's coming alone to a bad team with a desperate coach who just might make him have to prove himself. Ted has billions but I know what I'm talking about.

As for Kendall Marshall: IT WAS REALLY DUMB TO WAIVE HIM! He was a rookie with Beal last season. Just in case Maynor isn't good, keep Marshall because he's better or more insurance should Wall be hurt. He played poorly last season. How good was Jordan Crawford with the Hawks? Same player got a triple double and provided some excitement starting for Wall. No, JC wasn't good. My point: Why waive a 1st year Marshall when it's clear Singleton or Vesely have no future with the team? The Wizards could even have traded Vesely to the Spurs for a round 2 pick, in order to acquire Marshall. They renounced Jan. I personally think keep Jan, but waive Singleton.

Ruz, a potential breakout year for Marshall would have been likely with the Wizards. However, the Maynor deal would have been exposed as not so good. I don't care about Maynor. Getting Gortat was TERRIFIC!

I think, however, they should have kept Gortat, Brown OR Marshall. Out should have been Singleton.

If they do re-up Gortat, it'll likely be for more than 2 years - which would effectively end the chance of the Wizards having significant cap room in the Wall/Beal era.

Ruz, they should have kept Brown to facilitate future trades. The Wizards can resign Gortat, trade a huge deal involving Ariza, Vesely, and Nene to a team like LAL for Pau. HUGE cap space. Resigning Gortat and trading Nene (due to health concerns) is a way they could go. Play chess and think ahead ...

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Gortat is much better than the majority of people on this board by seem to think.

I liked him when he was a sub for Dwight Howard. Gortat was terrific his first full season with Phoenix. The Suns were still better last season, despite Gortat's injuries. with Marcin on the court than without him.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... -off/2012/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... -off/2013/

In three seasons with Phoenix, Gortat's PER was 18.5 and his WS/48 was .147
His career playoff ORtg (both Orlando playoffs and Phoenix playoff season) is 129.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... l_advanced

Gortat' is IMO potentially better than the best of Caron Butler or Antawn Jamison; two other Ernie Grunfeld acquisitions, who each made the All Star team as Wizards. He's going to make a huge impact if he remains healthy. Gortat is MUCH better than Seraphin. He's better than Okafor. He's going to be terrific with Nene.

YES. Resign him, unless there are injury concerns.

This player didn't make this team mediocre for the foreseeable future. Quite the opposite. Beal's going to be wide open or rarely double teamed. Wall will have a big man all the time, Nene or Gortat, who can score with great accuracy. Now there is a shot blocking C with good offense on the Wizards. (And there's also a really nice stretch four with some size in Al Harrington). Gortat's made the roster complete.

The Wizards have a chance, if they keep their defense on the wings, to win over 50 games and be the 4th seed in the east. I don't see Chicago being better than the Wizards per se, if Wall manages the team and his ego, and if Beal improves as much as I think he will. The team and Wittman better recognize Gortat as better than they have.

Only Randy Wittman can mess up by not starting Gortat.

The Wizards already showed ignorance when they waived Shannon Brown and Kendall Marshall. Either of them would have been solid additions. So, although I think Gortat's very good and should be re-upped, I'm not sure the Wizards won't mess up and try to be cheap (having already decided against re-upping Gortat, or by benching him and making sure he bolts as a FA); or that the Wizards management has eyes on something other than winning.

Why wouldn't you resign potentially the best C the Wizards have had in 25-30 years (the length of this playoff drought)

Agree wholeheartedly with all your thoughts on Gortat here. Kinda agree on Shannon Brown too, although he's not really a good player and he would expect too many minutes, so it's okay that he's gone. But at the same time, he's clearly better than Singleton, for example. But at least Singleton is a good defender. Marshall is terrible though.

Gortat is a HUGE upgrade for us.

rocky, you've convinced me. Keep Brown and dump Singleton was the way to go. Marshall needs D-League. He's going to be like Shelvin Mack, and back in the league or fighting for a job for years to come.

I don't think Singleton defends as well as advertised at SF. I think he's pretty ordinary. There's just no minutes for him and the Wizards renounced him. I think he's better off waived, because IMO somebody would snatch him up and he'd bounce around the league like Dominic McGuire). Why keep a guy sad on the roster, watching games from the bench when you could have added a 2-time NBA champ to the roster?

Nene and Harrington as well as Gortat would have loved Shannon Brown. So would Bradley Beal. I was shocked the Wizards waived Shannon Brown. Buzz kill big time to what could have been a great trade. Now, the Wizards have only Gortat or bust. Also, Brown would have been a decent trade asset with the Lakers and other teams.

[Nivek]

The Wizards aren't missing much with Shannon Brown. He's been above replacement level, but well-below average every year of his career. He's marginally better than Singleton, but that's low bar stuff.

Kendall Marshall last season posted the exact same PPA that Maynor did (32). Both guys rated below replacement level.