10/30/13 Wizards @ Pistons SEASON OPENER GT

[hands11]

I'm looking forward to saying "PUT THE HAMMER DOWN" a lot this year.

Wizards are going to STOMP Detroit from chapter 13 down to chapter 7, baby!

Or when he gets a big block, we can say No trespassing in Marci's Playground!

Or we can go with the Hammer thing

[hands11]

I wonder if Gortat will start immediately or they'll bring him off the bench and start Seraphin to counter DET's size advantage..

Also, Wall needs to have a good outing for us to win. For whatever reason, ones that I cannot understand, DET has our number, while I doubt we get blown out, it won't be easy to win. Will also be curious as to how the floor spacing looks with Smith starting. Will also be curious to see if Billups continues to knock down big shots.

Are you talking about Big Shoot Billups ?

Ahh, I would guess he does that here and there. As per the name.

[dobrojim]

This should be a field day for wall...rookie snd chauncey....I expect drummond to foul out...

I think Wall posts a fairly pedestrian line on poor efficiency. Just like the regular season. I also think Beal continues his preseason play and looks great. Beal is making the all star game this year.

I mean with driving.. chauncey slow and kcp a rookie...drummon thr last line of defense snd hsould have his hsnds full with gortat or nene

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[jivelikenice]

Throw Gortat in the starting lineup. Let him learn on the fly. I'm not optimistic about the opener though, Detroit just seems to have our number.

[dobrojim]

just read on yahoo that Jennings and Stuckey are probably both out.

DET's backcourt rotation will be Billups, Bynum and Siva assuming the above
is true.

In order to win, guys like Singler and CharlieV need to be kept in check.

And our TOs need to be under 20, hopefully <15.

[nuposse04]

forgot about charlie V. He absolutely stabs us in the heart every game. That alopecia stricken ****.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I wonder if Gortat will start immediately or they'll bring him off the bench and start Seraphin to counter DET's size advantage..

Also, Wall needs to have a good outing for us to win. For whatever reason, ones that I cannot understand, DET has our number, while I doubt we get blown out, it won't be easy to win. Will also be curious as to how the floor spacing looks with Smith starting. Will also be curious to see if Billups continues to knock down big shots.

Kevin was killing Detroit in the fourth quarter of that last preseason game.

Regardless, the Wizards better start Gortat!

You don't make Marcin Gortat a bench player his first game with the Wizards. No. Roll with him for as long as possible. Bring a confident Kevin off the bench early. The worst thing would be to make Gortat feel ill at ease early on.

I think Gortat and Vesely are going to be very effective together in a new look front court. I also think Kevin inside and Marcin in the high post is going to be special. Nene won't have to do it all.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I still like Detroit at home to win.

Wall won't defer. Beal won't be on fire from the outside. Selfish shots and lack of team play are very possible with a new addition to the team. I expect less passing than normal. I also think Drummond inside will beast Gortat. Marcin's likely to have a rough first outing, because Andre Drummond iMO is the next great big man.

Chauncey Billups and Will Bynum won't let the Pistons lose the opener in Detroit, IMO.

I'm curious as to what Kentavious Caldwell-Pope does. He was a player I liked in the draft.

[nate33]

just read on yahoo that Jennings and Stuckey are probably both out.

DET's backcourt rotation will be Billups, Bynum and Siva assuming the above
is true.

That's even worse. Bynum absolutely owns us.

I'd really like Wittman to make Detroit pay for putting the 5-11 Will Bynum on the 6-4 John Wall. Post Wall up!

[FreeBalling]

Throw Gortat in the starting lineup. Let him learn on the fly. I'm not optimistic about the opener though, Detroit just seems to have our number.

It's been reported that the Polish hammer will start. Pick and pop or pick and roll.


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[nuposse04]

just read on yahoo that Jennings and Stuckey are probably both out.

DET's backcourt rotation will be Billups, Bynum and Siva assuming the above
is true.

That's even worse. Bynum absolutely owns us.

I'd really like Wittman to make Detroit pay for putting the 5-11 Will Bynum on the 6-4 John Wall. Post Wall up!

Westbrook does this a ton to smaller point guards. It works rather well for him I think. I thought I read in an interview it was a facet Wall was working on, but maybe they decided not to implement it yet in order to surprise teams with it. Deron Williams and Felton (mostly cause Felton is a fatty) are the only PGs in the east Wall should have trouble posting.

[SizzlinSimms]

It should be a close game. I'd give the edge to Detroit due to their front court.

I'm afraid Drummond, Smith, and Monroe will dominate the boards against our Forwards and C. We really need Wall to come out strong for this game, and hopefully some outside shots from Webster, Beal, and Ariza will fall for us as well.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It should be a close game. I'd give the edge to Detroit due to their front court.

I'm afraid Drummond, Smith, and Monroe will dominate the boards against our Forwards and C. We really need Wall to come out strong for this game, and hopefully some outside shots from Webster, Beal, and Ariza will fall for us as well.

Gortat had 16 points, 16 rebounds the first game last season against Detroit with Drummond at C, but only 4 rebounds the next game vs Drummond. Gortat overall was pretty decent in two meetings vs Drummond.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =gortama01

Gortat has held his own in 7 meetings against Monroe (the last two with Drummond, and the first couple with Howard as Orlando's C).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =monrogr01

If I weren't a pessimist w.r.t. predicting road wins I would say that Nene with Gortat will be better than Detroit's front court.

[hands11]

I wonder if Gortat will start immediately or they'll bring him off the bench and start Seraphin to counter DET's size advantage..

Also, Wall needs to have a good outing for us to win. For whatever reason, ones that I cannot understand, DET has our number, while I doubt we get blown out, it won't be easy to win. Will also be curious as to how the floor spacing looks with Smith starting. Will also be curious to see if Billups continues to knock down big shots.

Kevin was killing Detroit in the fourth quarter of that last preseason game.

Regardless, the Wizards better start Gortat!

You don't make Marcin Gortat a bench player his first game with the Wizards. No. Roll with him for as long as possible. Bring a confident Kevin off the bench early. The worst thing would be to make Gortat feel ill at ease early on.

I think Gortat and Vesely are going to be very effective together in a new look front court. I also think Kevin inside and Marcin in the high post is going to be special. Nene won't have to do it all.

I was just telling a friend at work that Gortat might be good for Ves. Another big white Eastern Block player he can model after.

Owwww. Good name for them for all the blocked shots.

The Eastern Block.
The Great Wall
Nene can be Jammin for his rasta rows

Kind of an international theme.

[Hypnotizer]

Do you think Vesely can wake up with Gortat as his teammate?

[nate33]

Do you think Vesely can wake up with Gortat as his teammate?

Jan doesn't need to "wake up". He needs to develop basketball skills. He doesn't have them. He is a bust. He will be back in Europe in a year.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Do you think Vesely can wake up with Gortat as his teammate?

Possibly,

Gortat will likely have much better chemistry with Jan than Okafor did. His offense hides Jan's major weakness, unlike Okafor, who lacked on the offensive end. Gortat may also have a better rapport with Jan than other teammates, who don't play FIBA ball. Marcin is a veteran, and not a young rival competing for minutes such as Seraphin, Singleton, or Booker. He's going to be most supportive of Jan Vesely and probably not a practice hazing teammate. No more laughs at Vesely's expense, most likely.

Best of all, Gortat's a real C. Jan with him in the lineup won't get backed down and pushed around.

Other reasons I support Vesely making a comeback: Most Wizards fans can be critical of Jan, and most don't consider cultural barriers, position change, and injury as past barriers to Jan Vesely's development. I am not like most Wizards fans. I think he's got great athleticism at his height. He can rebound, defend in transition, and he's got swagger when finishing lob dunks. Jan can be an energizer like Birdman or Joakim Noah, as a sub behind a good C, which the Wizards now have.

I doubt Wittman and the Wizards see this as I do. They already waived Brown and Marshall. They tend to be petty and punitive when casting out young players--three or so years after EG and co. draft them.

SMART MOVE IMOE: Play Vesely even with Gortat some of the time. Honor the draft of Vesely and Satoransky, right or wrong, and ooh for both to be internal players on the Wizards next season.

[Hypnotizer]

Jan doesn't need to "wake up". He needs to develop basketball skills. He doesn't have them. He is a bust. He will be back in Europe in a year.

I don't think he's a bust, just take a look what he did against Gortat and Poland team at Euro this summer:
http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/14/wcm ... /game.html

[Hypnotizer]

Possibly,

Gortat will likely have much better chemistry with Jan than Okafor did. His offense hides Jan's major weakness, unlike Okafor, who lacked on the offensive end. Gortat may also have a better rapport with Jan than other teammates, who don't play FIBA ball. Marcin is a veteran, and not a young rival competing for minutes such as Seraphin, Singleton, or Booker. He's going to be most supportive of Jan Vesely and probably not a practice hazing teammate. No more laughs at Vesely's expense, most likely.

Best of all, Gortat's a real C. Jan with him in the lineup won't get backed down and pushed around.

Other reasons I support Vesely making a comeback: Most Wizards fans can be critical of Jan, and most don't consider cultural barriers, position change, and injury as past barriers to Jan Vesely's development. I am not like most Wizards fans. I think he's got great athleticism at his height. He can rebound, defend in transition, and he's got swagger when finishing lob dunks. Jan can be an energizer like Birdman or Joakim Noah, as a sub behind a good C, which the Wizards now have.

I doubt Wittman and the Wizards see this as I do. They already waived Brown and Marshall. They tend to be petty and punitive when casting out young players--three or so years after EG and co. draft them.

SMART MOVE IMOE: Play Vesely even with Gortat some of the time. Honor the draft of Vesely and Satoransky, right or wrong, and ooh for both to be internal players on the Wizards next season.

Is Jan underrated?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Jan doesn't need to "wake up". He needs to develop basketball skills. He doesn't have them. He is a bust. He will be back in Europe in a year.

I don't think he's a bust, just take a look what he did against Gortat and Poland team at Euro this summer:
http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/14/wcm ... /game.html

You're right, IMO, Hypnotizer.

Blatche is playing some pretty decent ball. Vesely will again after the Wizards.

I would make the Wizards find a role where Vesely excels before just running him off in ignorance. nate, Jan's career +/- shows he's a good role player who hasn't hurt the Wizards.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01/on-off/

Last season, defense was worse with him on as primarily Okafor's sub; while offense was better with Jan on than Emeka. Jan finished -1.4, hardly terrible to the team.

http://www.82games.com/1213/12WAS14.HTM

Two seasons ago, Vesely on the court was better than Rashard or others ahead of him for Washington. Jan finished +1.9.

http://www.82games.com/1112/11WAS14.HTM

Jan Vesely was putrid at the FT line and showed timidity last season. He's become a punching bag/pariah for being picked 6th overall. That said, I think he's very useful. Too bad the Wizards drafted him and not a smarter (before the past two seasons, where overall the Wizards have been fine) organization drafted him. Vesely spoke out against the way he was used and I'm sure he's on the way out unless unforeseen things happen.

At the same time I think not just nate, but many other really sharp Wizards fans are way too hard on Vesely.

Gortat could help because he's one teammate who will respect Vesely. However, dumb decisions could lead both Gortat and Vesely off the team. I think Brown or Marshall should have been welcomed to the team. No way Singleton has a role and IMO, no way is Maynor (26 years old) a better prospect than Kendall Marshall (22).

Sorry for the rant. I think JV is okay because he's mobile and plays with some swagger, at near 7' tall.