Packers/Vikes Postgame

[Rockmaninoff]

I actually agree with a good deal of your analysis, I'm just relating it to what you've said in the past where you thought the Packers had work to do because they happened to lose some single elimination games.

I think they did have work to do. And Ted has now done it.

The lines are much stronger and we are now controlling the clock. Packer victories are also not dependent on having the secondary make crazy INT's that are returned for scores like we did in the earlier Woodson, Nick Collins era.

I like the current team the best out of all squads from 2009 to 2012. Get healthy and this is the Super Bowl champ team.

Yeah, I think this roster will have less volatile performance down the stretch. Which is to say that the Packers now have a team that is excelling in all facets of of the game. The likelihood of any particular team presenting the Packers an insurmountable matchup advantage is small.

[TroyD92]

Yeah, I think Nelson is our top WR too. Hopefully we can extend him next year.

Hopefully Raji is back, and perhaps Finley if he continues his career and it's a deal that factors in the health issue, but it will be hard to sign Shields and Jones as well as keep Tramon next year; we need that cap space for Nelson. And Cobb.

Simple. Cut Tramon.

[th87]

So where do you guys think Jordy ranks among receivers in the NFL? I am struggling to come up with ten guys I'd rather have than him. I think he's a top 10 receiver at this point. Probably like the 7th-8th best.

1. Calvin
2. Dez
3. Julio
4. Green
5. Fitz
6. VJackson
7. D. Thomas

And then Nelson. I'd definitely take him over Dez Bryant though. He seems like a real pain to have on your team

Why? I think Bryant's a good kid; just extremely emotional. To have made it this far given his past is remarkable. I think people (not you) see the headlines and write him off as a typical diva WR.

[LikeABosh]

So where do you guys think Jordy ranks among receivers in the NFL? I am struggling to come up with ten guys I'd rather have than him. I think he's a top 10 receiver at this point. Probably like the 7th-8th best.

1. Calvin
2. Dez
3. Julio
4. Green
5. Fitz
6. VJackson
7. D. Thomas

And then Nelson. I'd definitely take him over Dez Bryant though. He seems like a real pain to have on your team

Why? I think Bryant's a good kid; just extremely emotional. To have made it this far given his past is remarkable. I think people (not you) see the headlines and write him off as a typical diva WR.

I could very well be wrong, but the perception is that he's trouble on and off the field and that usually leads to suspensions, fines, and so on. Would rather not deal with that stuff. Reminds me of the other Bryant WR

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

Yeah, I think Nelson is our top WR too. Hopefully we can extend him next year.

Hopefully Raji is back, and perhaps Finley if he continues his career and it's a deal that factors in the health issue, but it will be hard to sign Shields and Jones as well as keep Tramon next year; we need that cap space for Nelson. And Cobb.

As crazy as it sounds, I tend to think we should always consider letting our WRs go if we need to sign studs on defense or else where. If TT has proven anything it's that he can find elite WRs at just about any part of the draft and even the occasional undrafted fa types. I would much rather keep Shields than any one of our WRs. Raji I could handle letting go because we are absolutely loaded on the DL.

[humanrefutation]

Yeah, I think Nelson is our top WR too. Hopefully we can extend him next year.

Hopefully Raji is back, and perhaps Finley if he continues his career and it's a deal that factors in the health issue, but it will be hard to sign Shields and Jones as well as keep Tramon next year; we need that cap space for Nelson. And Cobb.

As crazy as it sounds, I tend to think we should always consider letting our WRs go if we need to sign studs on defense or else where. If TT has proven anything it's that he can find elite WRs at just about any part of the draft and even the occasional undrafted fa types. I would much rather keep Shields than any one of our WRs. Raji I could handle letting go because we are absolutely loaded on the DL.

That's a dangerous game to play. As good as TT is, it's foolish to assume that he'll be able to continue replicating his success at the WR spot. We made the same mistake with Favre early in his career, and spent the majority of the latter half of his career with a lack of playmakers, relying on guys like Bill Schroeder, Bubba Franks, Robert Ferguson, Corey Bradford, and Terry Glenn to be big time pieces. I trust TT more than Sherman to make the right picks, but I also think that locking up Jordy and Cobb should be top priorities.

[trwi7]

[raysbookclub]

Yeah, I think Nelson is our top WR too. Hopefully we can extend him next year.

Hopefully Raji is back, and perhaps Finley if he continues his career and it's a deal that factors in the health issue, but it will be hard to sign Shields and Jones as well as keep Tramon next year; we need that cap space for Nelson. And Cobb.

Simple. Cut Tramon.

Yeah, I think so. I meant that all 3 of Shields, Jones, and Tramon may not be on our team next year. I think Tramon's money will be needed just for Nelson and Cobb, with 12 and 52's raises.

[raysbookclub]

Yeah, I think Nelson is our top WR too. Hopefully we can extend him next year.

Hopefully Raji is back, and perhaps Finley if he continues his career and it's a deal that factors in the health issue, but it will be hard to sign Shields and Jones as well as keep Tramon next year; we need that cap space for Nelson. And Cobb.

As crazy as it sounds, I tend to think we should always consider letting our WRs go if we need to sign studs on defense or else where. If TT has proven anything it's that he can find elite WRs at just about any part of the draft and even the occasional undrafted fa types. I would much rather keep Shields than any one of our WRs. Raji I could handle letting go because we are absolutely loaded on the DL.

That's a dangerous game to play. As good as TT is, it's foolish to assume that he'll be able to continue replicating his success at the WR spot. We made the same mistake with Favre early in his career, and spent the majority of the latter half of his career with a lack of playmakers, relying on guys like Bill Schroeder, Bubba Franks, Robert Ferguson, Corey Bradford, and Terry Glenn to be big time pieces. I trust TT more than Sherman to make the right picks, but I also think that locking up Jordy and Cobb should be top priorities.

Also, if you can make the argument that TT can find WRs anywhere, you can make the same argument that TT can find CBs anywhere. Tramon and Shields were both undrafted FAs. Hyde a 5th, House a 4th, Hayward a 2nd.

Are we loaded on the DL? Under contract will be Jones, Daniels, Worthy, Boyd. I think Raji's probably our top priority among next year's free agents. He was a top 10 pick for a reason, with that size + athleticism.

[th87]

Do you guys think that the 'move' TE position has become somewhat ubiquitous in the NFL? When Finley emerged, he was a pretty unique weapon. Now you see Graham, Gronk, Julius Thomas, Rudolph, Cameron, Reed, Eifert, Clay, etc. I wonder if that changes the market and TT's plans going forward?

(I still think Finley's top 5, of course.)

[CousinOfDeath]

That picture is beautiful.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

Yeah, I think Nelson is our top WR too. Hopefully we can extend him next year.

Hopefully Raji is back, and perhaps Finley if he continues his career and it's a deal that factors in the health issue, but it will be hard to sign Shields and Jones as well as keep Tramon next year; we need that cap space for Nelson. And Cobb.

As crazy as it sounds, I tend to think we should always consider letting our WRs go if we need to sign studs on defense or else where. If TT has proven anything it's that he can find elite WRs at just about any part of the draft and even the occasional undrafted fa types. I would much rather keep Shields than any one of our WRs. Raji I could handle letting go because we are absolutely loaded on the DL.

That's a dangerous game to play. As good as TT is, it's foolish to assume that he'll be able to continue replicating his success at the WR spot. We made the same mistake with Favre early in his career, and spent the majority of the latter half of his career with a lack of playmakers, relying on guys like Bill Schroeder, Bubba Franks, Robert Ferguson, Corey Bradford, and Terry Glenn to be big time pieces. I trust TT more than Sherman to make the right picks, but I also think that locking up Jordy and Cobb should be top priorities.

I realize it's risky, but so is letting go of our top corners. I just think the combination of TT's incredible eye for WR talent and Rodgers' ability to make any receiver look better than they are is something we can use to our advantage when evaluating which FAs we should keep. I realize TT has done a solid job of bringing in CBs as well, but I value CBs much, much more than WRs and defensive playmakers over offensive playmakers in general.

Edit: Ron Wolf (and obviously Mike Sherman) were pretty terrible at evaluating WR talent, so I think that is one of the reasons we were always struggling to find Favre weapons.