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[MellowRose]

Moe was guarding a perimeter guy all night, he wasn't around the basket for Def. rebounds. I thought he played ok, had 1 real nice assist. and a nice cut on Offense. There were others taking the scoring lead. AA, Moore, Andrew and Vuc were very determined on Offense.

But yet......All our PG's and SG's seem to miraculously find out how to do it though....I hate that its always gotta be me, but the constant excuses you guys create dude...good lord. He hasn't been rebounding (and were not talking just last night) is squarely because he stopped making an effort to rebound. Point blank Period. Theres always an excuse, it's never just "He just really has to do better."

Jameer 12.5%
Oladipo 15.2%
Afflalo 16.7%
Moore 2.4%
Price 12.5%

And then....
Harkless 2.6%

Ditto. Couldn't have said it any better.

[NickAnderson]

It started in March and April of last season.

Um right after we got Harris who averages almost 8 rpg, ever think of that? Maybe he isn't asked to rebound as much since it isn't a major issue for us.

The bashing and high expectations of our young players is unreal sometimes.


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[Neon1]

It started in March and April of last season.

Um right after we got Harris who averages almost 8 rpg, ever think of that? Maybe he isn't asked to rebound as much since it isn't a major issue for us.

The bashing and high expectations of our young players is unreal sometimes.


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Expecting your players to play hard at least semi-consistent is not high expectations.

[Orlwillbeback]

I thought Harkless' length was bothering shooters last night.

[BadMofoPimp]

Harkless' rebounding rate has plummeted so far. On pace for 1.4RPG in 36 minutes compared to 6 last year. His FGA are up 2 a game already though.

LOLOLOLOL.

But, but, but, Harkless is scoring 0.2 more points per game while his 3pt % is up to .667 from .283 and he is averaging 0.5tpg instead of 0.9last year. Unfortunatley, his Personal Fouls went from 1.9 to a whopping 3.0 this season!!!

[mhectorgato]

If Nicholson can keep up what he's showed so far he'll be pretty damn good, I think a major problem is his stamina though, he seems to get winded quick and I really think that's why he gets "yanked" most of the time and rested for long periods.

5 PFs could have something to do with it also.

[Neon1]

It started in March and April of last season.

Um right after we got Harris who averages almost 8 rpg, ever think of that? Maybe he isn't asked to rebound as much since it isn't a major issue for us.

The bashing and high expectations of our young players is unreal sometimes.


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Oh yeah.....BTW Tobias coming here made zero difference since he was replacing Glen Davis who rebounded at exactly the same rate. Next excuse though...Yall bring em....I knock em down.

Davis 20.3%
Harris 20.2%

Facts > Opinion. Always.

[JBSouthpaw]

Harkless' rebounding rate has plummeted so far. On pace for 1.4RPG in 36 minutes compared to 6 last year. His FGA are up 2 a game already though.

LOLOLOLOL.

But, but, but, Harkless is scoring 0.2 more points per game while his 3pt % is up to .667 from .283 and he is averaging 0.5tpg instead of 0.9last year. Unfortunatley, his Personal Fouls went from 1.9 to a whopping 3.0 this season!!!

with this large sample size, why not draw conclusions.....

[BadMofoPimp]

Oh yeah.....BTW Tobias coming here made zero difference since he was replacing Glen Davis who rebounded at exactly the same rate. Next excuse though...Yall bring em....I knock em down.

Davis 20.3%
Harris 20.2%

Facts > Opinion. Always.

Hell Yeh! BBD Proved Them Wrong, Alright!

Well, this also proves that without either or both of BBD and Harris, this team is lacking with Maxiel, Nich and Jones at PF. Food for thought.

[NickAnderson]

Okay you got me Harkless sucks.

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[eyriq]

Visually I like what I'm seeing from Harkless. On paper he is sucking it up. Paper wins in the long run so we'll see. Nicholson and Vucevic are off to hot starts. Oladipo is playing like a primary option, but lacking efficiency. All in all i'm happy

[KillMonger]

Maybe it's just me but offensively shouldn't there be more of a focus on Oladipo when he's in the game? let me explain, i would like to think that a top pick should get some plays focused on him and offense catered to him since he's the #2 pick and a lot is riding on him. Yet, for the most part so far since he's been out there i haven't seen one play ran for him, Dipo is basically creating his own shots. Even when he's off the ball there seems to be nothing for him, no cuts, no rim runs, no screen flares, no zippers. Is it just me that's seeing this? or am i just paranoid?

[Neon1]

Maybe it's just me but offensively shouldn't there be more of a focus on Oladipo when he's in the game? let me explain, i would like to think that a top pick should get some plays focused on him and offense catered to him since he's the #2 pick and a lot is riding on him. Yet, for the most part so far since he's been out there i haven't seen one play ran for him, Dipo is basically creating his own shots. Even when he's off the ball there seems to be nothing for him, no cuts, no rim runs, no screen flares, no zippers. Is it just me that's seeing this? or am i just paranoid?

Well his USG% is high as hell at 25.4% after two games, and it was likely even higher during the pre-season. He's already taking a TON of shots for the minutes he has played. The only reason he isn't averaging near 20 is because he misses so many shots. Asking for more then that is just being greedy on our part.

[j_n]

As much as it hurts to come this close to a win and end up losing, last night was a perfect game for us.
We had guys like Afflalo and Jameer playing well and raising their trade value while we still got the loss and got one step closer to a top 5 pick in a great draft.

Do you want to trade Meer though? I really don't unless he wants to be traded. I want him to retire with us especially since he signed back with us knowing we were goning to suck. I kinda want to keep him.

Jameer has been my favorite player for years and I definitly want to us to retire his jersey and maybe even hire him once hes done playing but if we can get a promising young player or draft pick and it would take trading Meer to do so while giving him a chance to get a ring than Im all for it.

[KillMonger]

Maybe it's just me but offensively shouldn't there be more of a focus on Oladipo when he's in the game? let me explain, i would like to think that a top pick should get some plays focused on him and offense catered to him since he's the #2 pick and a lot is riding on him. Yet, for the most part so far since he's been out there i haven't seen one play ran for him, Dipo is basically creating his own shots. Even when he's off the ball there seems to be nothing for him, no cuts, no rim runs, no screen flares, no zippers. Is it just me that's seeing this? or am i just paranoid?

Well his USG% is high as hell at 25.4% after two games, and it was likely even higher during the pre-season. He's already taking a TON of shots for the minutes he has played. The only reason he isn't averaging near 20 is because he misses so many shots. Asking for more then that is just being greedy on our part.

well i'm not so much talking about usage i know he's out there getting shots up it's just the way he's getting them. It's all created by him, i would like to know the assisted % on his shots. If what i'm seeing is legit then it should be low, all i'm saying is Dipo isn't really having it easy in this offense. Maybe it's just him learning but everything from him offensively seems like it's off the dribble. Rarely any catch and shoot plays called for him as he's pretty decent with his feet set, IDK maybe it's trial by fire

[Neon1]

Maybe it's just me but offensively shouldn't there be more of a focus on Oladipo when he's in the game? let me explain, i would like to think that a top pick should get some plays focused on him and offense catered to him since he's the #2 pick and a lot is riding on him. Yet, for the most part so far since he's been out there i haven't seen one play ran for him, Dipo is basically creating his own shots. Even when he's off the ball there seems to be nothing for him, no cuts, no rim runs, no screen flares, no zippers. Is it just me that's seeing this? or am i just paranoid?

Well his USG% is high as hell at 25.4% after two games, and it was likely even higher during the pre-season. He's already taking a TON of shots for the minutes he has played. The only reason he isn't averaging near 20 is because he misses so many shots. Asking for more then that is just being greedy on our part.

well i'm not so much talking about usage i know he's out there getting shots up it's just the way he's getting them. It's all created by him, i would like to know the assisted % on his shots. If what i'm seeing is legit then it should be low, all i'm saying is Dipo isn't really having it easy in this offense. Maybe it's just him learning but everything from him offensively seems like it's off the dribble. Rarely any catch and shoot plays called for him as he's pretty decent with his feet set, IDK maybe it's trial by fire

He is not a catch and shoot player. That isn't the same as a spot up, catch and shoot guys do not even need to have feet set or squared. They are catch on the move jump and fire. Catch a shoot guys actually have to be really good/natural shooters (Ray/TMac/JJ/McLemore...etc).

Offensively (in the half court) Dipo is an ISO player, if he shoots it's off the dribble or wide open spot up.

[KillMonger]

^^ i meant spot up, couldn't find the word at the time. I just think he can do more than the box he's being put in right now. I mean especially when he's off the ball, coach has him just standing around.

[Neon1]

^^ i meant spot up, couldn't find the word at the time. I just think he can do more than the box he's being put in right now. I mean especially when he's off the ball, coach has him just standing around.

As far as shooting goes, if he is off ball, spotting up IS just the player just standing around waiting on a pass.

The lack of off-ball cutting and stuff you were talking about is more on Dipo, that's more of a read and react type of deal. Harkless does and excellent job of diving and cutting to the basket off ball when his man plays off him, Dipo should eventually learn to do the same as he was really good at doing it in college (as was Moe).

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgWJGiJJAwk[/youtube]

WATCH: 3:15-4:30 and 4:30-5:15

All in all, It's not a coaching issue it's just not in Dipo's game yet, it might develop, might not. His natural instinct is to just pull it out and using his speed to beat his man to the basket in a footrace on a straight line drive using the in-and-out dribble when he needs it. His offensive game ability is more suited to having the ball in his hand up high (like in a PG role)