2013 Season Game Talk

[Celtics_Champs]

This guy just said he would hate a team of cripples if they played for one of four teams, yet try's to make us feel bad on one isolated incident which happened outside of Boston?



Anyway parades on Saturday. Heard there's going to be bad weather. Bundle up! Will MLB network air this?

[Quake Griffin]

an obvious exaggeration vs. something that really happened.

no, i meant pavano....i couldn't think of another signee who stayed hurt during most of his time with a certain team.

again.
I've heard Crawford talk about how he hates how he was treated in Boston. I've never heard him blame them for his play or his injury....if you have heard that (links? proof?) I'll take it gladly. But I've just never seen that.

[TyCobb]

The Angels are likeable as long as Trout is on the team.

[Celtics_Champs]

I've heard Crawford talk about how he hates how he was treated in Boston.

an obvious exaggeration vs. something that really happened.

He's got thin skin. He was treated no differently then most players who come here. Look how bad it ended with Keith Foulke, and last night he was celebrating on twitter with the Sox. Most vocal fan.

[Quake Griffin]

So Jim Rice, Mo Vaughn and Carl Crawford don't....
nvm.



ok.


nothing to see here...

[Celtics_Champs]

Jim Rice loves this city. He is a anchor on Red Sox broadcasts. He'll be part of the parade coverage.

Mo Vaughn? What? You mean the Mo Vaughn who took out a half page article in the globe calling Boston the best sports city?

http://blogs.thescore.com/mlb/2013/04/1 ... ton-globe/

[Quake Griffin]

lol at acting like I'm unaware he works for NESN or whatever ur network is called.

that post is intellectually dishonest to the 10th power.
both Rice and Vaughn's tenures in Boston are nothing like their experiences there in the present day...and the media bothered the hell out of them.

try again.

[Celtics_Champs]

lol at acting like I'm unaware he works for NESN or whatever ur network is called.

that post is intellectually dishonest to the 10th power.
both Rice and Vaughn's tenures in Boston are nothing like their experiences in Boston present day...and the media bothered the hell out of them.

try again.

We've gone over this, stop being a douche with your responses like you win every argument with emoticons "booms" and "try agains". Can't we just have a conversation? Why do you even post if your ultimate goal is to have no one respond to you.

Rice, Vaughn, Foulke, list goes on and on, all now in love with the city. Crawford will change his mind too.

[Quake Griffin]

lol at acting like I'm unaware he works for NESN or whatever ur network is called.

that post is intellectually dishonest to the 10th power.
both Rice and Vaughn's tenures in Boston are nothing like their experiences there in the present day...and the media bothered the hell out of them.

happy? I argued it on the merits

you got the "try it again" because I didn't appreciate the fact that you addressed both Vaughn and Rice with their current love for Boston and completed avoided the original point about their tenures in Boston. You wouldn't have got "try again" if you said something like:

Yea, they had their struggles in Boston. The media can be tough in Boston...but look how they feel about it now.

Not just a post about how much they love it now.


the smileys in the previous post were because all 3 were black men.
i don't know the climate here on racial posts...but on other forums, it sends people into a rage....so i smiley'd my way out of actually broaching the topic.

peace.

[sunshinekids99]

an obvious exaggeration vs. something that really happened.

no, i meant pavano....i couldn't think of another signee who stayed hurt during most of his time with a certain team.

again.
I've heard Crawford talk about how he hates how he was treated in Boston. I've never heard him blame them for his play or his injury....if you have heard that (links? proof?) I'll take it gladly. But I've just never seen that.

I'm not sure what Carl Pavano has to do with the Boston Red Sox?

Carl Crawford sure has blamed Tito for his troubles for moving him in the lineup. He used injuries as an excuse as well. I'm sure you can find something on the one of the Boston medias if you don't believe me.

Rice has had a well known issue with the Boston media during his playing time. And Vaughn has issues with ownership when he left. The difference between them and Crawford? They produced, Crawford didn't.

[Quake Griffin]

Pavano is a player who signed with a team, stayed hurt and didn't get treated like sh**.

did every example of that have to come in a Boston uniform?

[sunshinekids99]

Pavano is a player who signed with a team, stayed hurt and didn't get treated like sh**.

did every example of that have to come in a Boston uniform?

There were many stories about the legitimacy of Pavano's injuries in New York. The Boston media got on Buccholz this tear about his injury. Diffference is they didn't bitch about it. Carl Crawford never should have signed with Boston,;some guys can play here and some just can't. Crawford doesn't have the mental makeup to take the heat.

[Quake Griffin]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTfSI_Nlp5g[/youtube]
3:50 til the end.
this is a month and a half before the Dodger trade. Seems like a guy who owned his shortcomings in Boston to me.
From my vantage point, he just seems like a guy who didn't appreciate how the Boston media treated him....not a blame shifted.

IIRC:
- U signed him in 2011 to 7/142?
- He had a less than stellar year....but it was revealed he needed wrist surgery? (who needs healthy wrists in baseball?)
- Plays a little bit of 2012?
- Has the wrist surgery?
- Gets on throwing program coming back, injures elbow and needs TJS?

so ur mad at him for playing 2011 injured and sucking....he's not using his injury as an excuse.
he's injured for most of the next season.
he's working to make it back and to live up to the contract...

and you think he deserved the way he got treated?
I guess man. That's Boston for you.
I'll keep googling for blame shifting comments in the mean time

[sunshinekids99]

“That smile turned upside down quick,” Crawford said. “I think they want to see that in Boston. They love it when you’re miserable. Burying people in the media, they think that makes a person play better. That media was the worst thing I’ve ever experienced in my life.”
“Burying people in the media, they think that makes a person play better. That media was the worst thing I’ve ever experienced in my life.”
“I took so much of a beating in Boston, I don’t think anything could bother me anymore,” he said. “They can say what they want — that I’m the worst free agent ever — and it won’t get to me. But it bothered me the whole time there.

He admits he let it get to him.

He told WEEI.com: "Every game you really have to try and show something. But I'm always going to remember those two days. … I didn't feel like I had the manager's confidence. I don't know about the organization, but I don't try and look past the manager, so I feel like I didn't have the manager's confidence, therefore I started to think something was wrong with me, and it just snowballed after that.

Yeah that was Terry's fault he changed the lineup and Crawford couldn't deal with it.

It [ticked] me off so much, the things I had said about me. I have the type of spirit that, if you say something to me, I’m going to say something back.”

The point remains he has thin skin and never should have come to Boston in the first place. With that said Boston never should have offered him that money either. It is the same reason I don't want to see Ellsbury return with a long deal and he's a guy that can deal with the media even when they are giving it to him. I don't feel with advanced age that Ellsbury can live up to a big contract and I know that Carl Crawford will never live up to that contract.

[Da Schwab]

Pavano is a player who signed with a team, stayed hurt and didn't get treated like sh**.

did every example of that have to come in a Boston uniform?

Uh, Carl Pavano was chastised til the day he left the Bronx. He was a colossal waste of money. He wasn't vilified to the extent of what you guys are talking about, but you can't say he didn't get treated like sh*t because that's basically what his tenure with the Yankees was worth.

[Quake Griffin]

Pavano is a player who signed with a team, stayed hurt and didn't get treated like sh**.

did every example of that have to come in a Boston uniform?

Uh, Carl Pavano was chastised til the day he left the Bronx. He was a colossal waste of money. He wasn't vilified to the extent of what you guys are talking about, but you can't say he didn't get treated like sh*t because that's basically what his tenure with the Yankees was worth.

yea. that's what i meant. Excuse me for that. Pavano was a guy who got dogged for his injuries but not to the extent Crawford did.





IMO...Crawford played one and a half seasons in Boston injured and didn't produce...got healthy as a Dodger and played just fine. It's not "mental" or whatever about playing in Boston. lol. I know people think their cities are the most important thing in the world but let's start with injuries before talking about something as abstract as the mental toughness it takes to play in Boston...he played an entire year with a bum wrist that eventually needed surgery



I'm still on the fence on whether that is a total blame shifter on the Francona comment.

he has also said this:

"If somebody wants to trade you, to get rid of you, it's time to move on," Crawford said of accepting the trade to the Dodgers. "Things didn't go as planned in Boston. I'm happy for a new start. I just didn't play well enough there, for whatever reason. It just didn't work. I didn't do my part."

[sunshinekids99]

There are guys who can play in Boston or any large market and guys who can't. One guy that comes to mind from last year team is Mark Melancon. Good with Houston, sucked in Boston, great in Pittsburgh.

[Quake Griffin]

There are guys who can play in Boston or any large market and guys who can't. One guy that comes to mind from last year team is Mark Melancon. Good with Houston, sucked in Boston, great in Pittsburgh.

that's conjecture.

plus Crawford played well for the Dodgers.
so the difference you're really making isn't quite big vs. small market.
amirite?

[sunshinekids99]

A Carl Crawford that doesn't steal bases is just not that good. He was actually about the same player with Boston in 12 than in LA in 13.

Some guys do flourish in small market teams and can't get the same success in the big market. But we've also seen guys like Bill Mueller and Paul O'Neill flourish when the went to the bigger markets.

[Da Schwab]

Brad Ausmus will be named as the Tigers' new manager.