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10/30/13 Wizards @ Pistons SEASON OPENER GT

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Re: 10/30/13 Wizards @ Pistons SEASON OPENER GT 

Post#541 » by Upper Decker » Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:00 pm

Martell only took 1 shot last night, but that was on Martell, not the team. A concern of mine is that Martell struggles creating his own shot. His handles are pretty poor. If he doesn't get hit for an open shot he usually keeps it popping because he's not comfortable with the bounce. Martell is the scorer of the second unit. He needs to be more aggressive. I'd be shocked in Steez only took 1 shot in a game where he was widely considered the go to scorer on the floor.
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Re: 10/30/13 Wizards @ Pistons SEASON OPENER GT 

Post#542 » by Nivek » Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:09 pm

I'd rather Webster not try to "create" shots. It's not his game, and if he tries to do it, he's likely to create bad shots. The better play is for him to keep the ball moving in an effort to get an open shot elsewhere. Over the course of the season, he'll get plenty of looks.
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Post#543 » by Dat2U » Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:16 pm

Upper Decker wrote:Martell only took 1 shot last night, but that was on Martell, not the team. A concern of mine is that Martell struggles creating his own shot. His handles are pretty poor. If he doesn't get hit for an open shot he usually keeps it popping because he's not comfortable with the bounce. Martell is the scorer of the second unit. He needs to be more aggressive. I'd be shocked in Steez only took 1 shot in a game where he was widely considered the go to scorer on the floor.


No, it's on the team. Martell is not a shot creator, that's well known. So why place him in a position where the only way he'll get shots up is to create his own?
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Re: 10/30/13 Wizards @ Pistons SEASON OPENER GT 

Post#544 » by FAH1223 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:52 pm

hands11 wrote:Billups is 37. That dude is a stud.

Its not about how old you are. Its about can you ball.

Sure would have been nice to pick him up. 2.5M for two years.

Is that over the bi annual ?


Chauncey tore his achilles early in 2012 and he looks like he's back to 100%. The fact Wall, Beal and the other guards can't keep an older guard who's had severe injury in front of them is mind boggling.
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Post#545 » by hands11 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:05 pm

Upper Decker wrote:Martell only took 1 shot last night, but that was on Martell, not the team. A concern of mine is that Martell struggles creating his own shot. His handles are pretty poor. If he doesn't get hit for an open shot he usually keeps it popping because he's not comfortable with the bounce. Martell is the scorer of the second unit. He needs to be more aggressive. I'd be shocked in Steez only took 1 shot in a game where he was widely considered the go to scorer on the floor.


Bring back the Steez :wink:


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Post#546 » by nuposse04 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:53 pm

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Hmm, I have seen Wall flop more then I care for, but I can't recall where this occurred. He's been hanging around with LBJ, Wade and Mario Chalmers too much :evil:

If he does it again he should be suspended. Not fined.
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Post#547 » by Hypnotizer » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:06 pm

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Post#548 » by nuposse04 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:15 pm

That is definitely a flop. That was also a critical juncture of the game. No reason to go all CP3 like. Just execute and get a good shot. C'mon Wall.
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Post#549 » by Ruzious » Fri Nov 1, 2013 12:53 am

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Upper Decker wrote:Martell only took 1 shot last night, but that was on Martell, not the team. A concern of mine is that Martell struggles creating his own shot. His handles are pretty poor. If he doesn't get hit for an open shot he usually keeps it popping because he's not comfortable with the bounce. Martell is the scorer of the second unit. He needs to be more aggressive. I'd be shocked in Steez only took 1 shot in a game where he was widely considered the go to scorer on the floor.


No, it's on the team. Martell is not a shot creator, that's well known. So why place him in a position where the only way he'll get shots up is to create his own?

It's not like Washington plays a red team and a blue team. He'll get minutes with Wall and the other starters - even with Ariza at times. He's going to get fewer minutes, because he's not as good an all-around player as Ariza. And if he'd lose some weight, he'll get more minutes playing more backup 2 guard. At probably about 230 lbs, he looks awfully slow to do that right now.
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Re: 10/30/13 Wizards @ Pistons SEASON OPENER GT 

Post#550 » by Ruzious » Fri Nov 1, 2013 12:57 am

nuposse04 wrote:That is definitely a flop. That was also a critical juncture of the game. No reason to go all CP3 like. Just execute and get a good shot. C'mon Wall.

That was definitely not a flop. If you're going to flop, you have to reason, and there wasn't any there.
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Post#551 » by DCZards » Fri Nov 1, 2013 1:37 am

FAH1223 wrote:
Chauncey tore his achilles early in 2012 and he looks like he's back to 100%. The fact Wall, Beal and the other guards can't keep an older guard who's had severe injury in front of them is mind boggling.


Chauncey is a cagey vet who is going to make a lot of younger guards look bad. He's probably a hall of famer.
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Post#552 » by DANNYLANDOVER » Fri Nov 1, 2013 1:38 am

dan2314 wrote:detroit fan here. can i just ask what the deal was with you guys shooting nothing but jumpshots all night? is that normal for this team? ive never considered anyone other than beal and webster as knockdown shooters.. obviously ariza got a ton of good looks, got hot and knocked them down, but i was shocked at how little amount of times you guys spent in the paint. how much credit can i give our frontcourt for that? i think we won the points in the paint by about 30.

I was shocked too...Nene is supposed to be our post player, but he was settling for elbow Js...can't remember him posting up once. Thankfully, John came back to his senses in the second half and start driving to the basket.

BTW, I think your team has the best frontcourt in the league...Monroe, Smith, and Drummond is a very intimidating frontcourt, on both ends of the court.
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Re: 10/30/13 Wizards @ Pistons SEASON OPENER GT 

Post#553 » by hands11 » Fri Nov 1, 2013 3:39 am

Ruzious wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:That is definitely a flop. That was also a critical juncture of the game. No reason to go all CP3 like. Just execute and get a good shot. C'mon Wall.

That was definitely not a flop. If you're going to flop, you have to reason, and there wasn't any there.


Agreed. Not a flop.

He tried to get to the center of the court and he had his hip and should were in front of ( I think Kyle Singler) who was running up court and ended up running Wall over.

Its either a fool on Singler or a no call.

Not a loop.

Thats weak.
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Post#554 » by dangermouse » Fri Nov 1, 2013 3:40 am

I think we need to trade Nene if he doesnt pull his socks up.

Hes supposed to be 90% healthy yeah? He played better when he was like 70% healthy.
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Post#555 » by JWizmentality » Fri Nov 1, 2013 4:57 am

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Agreed. Not a flop.

He tried to get to the center of the court and he had his hip and should were in front of ( I think Kyle Singler) who was running up court and ended up running Wall over.

Its either a fool on Singler or a no call.

Not a loop.

Thats weak.


Woah woah woah! Take off the fan glasses you two. I was laughing so hard when Wall did that last night. That was so obviously a flop. Big time. What do you mean he had no reason? The pistons were over the limit and we were only down by 5 or so. He was trying to draw a weak foul and get to the line. Everybody in the Arena let out a huge "bull$h*t cry" at that one. It was so blatant and freakin obvious. Wall is too talented to try and pull crap like that. If you seriously think that was legit, those Homer glasses are set on High Definition. :lol:

Right up there with this crap
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Re: 10/30/13 Wizards @ Pistons SEASON OPENER GT 

Post#556 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Nov 1, 2013 6:28 am

Dat2U wrote:
Upper Decker wrote:Martell only took 1 shot last night, but that was on Martell, not the team. A concern of mine is that Martell struggles creating his own shot. His handles are pretty poor. If he doesn't get hit for an open shot he usually keeps it popping because he's not comfortable with the bounce. Martell is the scorer of the second unit. He needs to be more aggressive. I'd be shocked in Steez only took 1 shot in a game where he was widely considered the go to scorer on the floor.


No, it's on the team. Martell is not a shot creator, that's well known. So why place him in a position where the only way he'll get shots up is to create his own?


Agree with Dat. It's on Wall, Beal, Randy Wittman, and only slightly on Martell. A gentleman doesn't force his way. A gentleman-teammate who's been put on the back burner might just observe and not force or even take a shot not called for him.

New players getting shots and younger players taking perhaps ill-advised shots, along with Martell not being in place to shoot the open shot all worked against Webster.
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Post#557 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Nov 1, 2013 6:31 am

Nivek wrote:I'd rather Webster not try to "create" shots. It's not his game, and if he tries to do it, he's likely to create bad shots. The better play is for him to keep the ball moving in an effort to get an open shot elsewhere. Over the course of the season, he'll get plenty of looks.


Agreed.

IMO a wise coach could play Martell at SG with Trevor Ariza at SF, even with Beal at "PG". Ariza has the passing skills and Webster would be wide open if teams trapped Beal as PG.

On the road against Detroit, IMO Webster at SG would have been more effective than Beal on an off night. No way Martell should have got lost in the shuffle and only got one shot in the same game Beal went 6-18.
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Post#558 » by hands11 » Fri Nov 1, 2013 1:08 pm

By all accounts it was a bad game.

They didn't stick to defensive principles they already know.
Wall jacked to many shots and the team didn't move the ball enough, still had 11 asts
They didn't run the plays so the floor wasn't balanced to DET out fast breaked them. :roll:
Randy was bad with the line ups not playing enough Kevin or even Ves or Glen but played Booker
AH was off
Gortat was new but still shows something
They were on the road in a season opener for DET with fans cranked up.
DET has a decent team with a big front line and now Billups is back. Challenging for 5-8 playoffs
Give DET credit, they ganged up on Beal.. here are his comments.

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... e-10-30-13

IT WAS ONE GAME

They are going to look a lot better then that. I expect that the start tonight.
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Post#559 » by NortheastWiz » Fri Nov 1, 2013 1:48 pm

I really like Bradley Beal. Right after the game he has all ready broke down every thing he did wrong and he showed he has a high basketball IQ. "I knew they were in foul trouble and my shots weren't falling, so I drove".

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