Otto Porter

[Nivek]

so this guy slipped and was day to day...and by time all is said and done...its going to be a 2-3 month injury?

In the hands of the Wizards doctors, this kind of thing is more than possible.

[Dat2U]

So if there was redo - knowing what you know now.... what would you do with the 3rd pick?

Still draft Porter?

Trade it for Ersan & the 15th?

Draft someone else at #3?

Trade down for a pick & player?

Package pick plus other contracts for a veteran?

[tontoz]

So if there was redo - knowing what you know now.... what would you do with the 3rd pick?

Still draft Porter?

Trade it for Ersan & the 15th?

Draft someone else at #3?

Trade down for a pick & player?

Package pick plus other contracts for a veteran?

Porter was the guy i wanted but i was open to the Ersan trade. I think people consistently overrate draft prospects.

Obviously Noel is a possibility but given that we don't know his medical details it is hard to argue strongly for him.

[FAH1223]

So if there was redo - knowing what you know now.... what would you do with the 3rd pick?

Still draft Porter?

Trade it for Ersan & the 15th?

Draft someone else at #3?

Trade down for a pick & player?

Package pick plus other contracts for a veteran?

I would have taken Noel, force fed him and let him live in the weight room. No pressure to play right away obviously due to his knee but I'd make sure he spent a lot of time on his body and to get PT by the All-Star break/trade deadline.

I also might have just traded down and took Olynyk.

This was definitely the draft to take a big...

[Earth2Ted]

If Otto were on the Redskins, no one would stand for his MRI result getting dragged out like this. The radiologist would probably find Grant Paulsen and John Keim stashed in his coat pockets, waiting for him to make a pronoucement.

Of course Ted probably wishes Otto were on the Caps, where they could just call it "lower body injury" and just sweep it under the rug for all eternity.

[dobrojim]

BREAKING NEWS ABOUT #OTTO #PORTER~@!!!

http://nikeinc.com/news/jordan-brand-ad ... ll-athetes

Today, Jordan Brand announced that Victor Oladipo, Otto Porter Jr. and Cody Zeller have all joined the Jordan family of athletes. All three will be in Jordan footwear to start the season.
“We are excited to add Victor, Otto and Cody to the Jordan family,” said Michael Jordan. “As we continue to expand and improve our performance product, these young players will be a big part of our efforts around the game of basketball.”
...
Porter, a silky smooth 6'7" small forward from Maryland, was selected third overall in the 2013 draft. In the Porter family, winning state basketball titles is a way of life. Otto won three titles as a prep star in high school and joined a club that includes his father, mother and several uncles and cousins. He completed his two-year college career by averaging 16.2 points, 7.5 rebounds and 1.8 steals per contest and was named conference Player of the Year. Porter was also a finalist for several National Player of the Year awards.
...
All three athletes will start the season in JORDAN PRIME.FLY footwear. Porter will also start the season in the NIKE ZOOM HYPERLIMP® hip brace.

For more information on Jordan products and athletes visit jordan.com.

So, there's that.

nitpick alert - he's taller than 6-7 iirc and he's from Missouri via G'town. Maybe he lives in MD now. IDK.

[J-Ves]

So if there was redo - knowing what you know now.... what would you do with the 3rd pick?

Still draft Porter?

Trade it for Ersan & the 15th?

Draft someone else at #3?

Trade down for a pick & player?

Package pick plus other contracts for a veteran?

Probably would do the Ersan + 15 for Ariza + 3, then would of selected Rudy Gobert at 15. Wall, Beal, Webster, Ilyasova, Nene/Oak would of been one of the best shooting lineups in the league and we would of had a legit 7 foot center to develop for the future.Of course I'm not sure if this trade was ever on the table, it seems it was something fans created.

With that said I'm not unhappy with the Porter selection. At the time I would of been happy with Bennett, Porter, or Noel at 3, and with how bad Bennett has looked in preseason and his first real game I think the Wiz dodged a bullet with him gone by 3.

[fishercob]

So if there was redo - knowing what you know now.... what would you do with the 3rd pick?

Still draft Porter?

Trade it for Ersan & the 15th?

Draft someone else at #3?

Trade down for a pick & player?

Package pick plus other contracts for a veteran?

I'll change my mind on this when Porter is back and doing really well, but yeah, give me Ilyasova and Giannis or Bebe or Gorgui or Schroeder or Gobert, etc.

[LyricalRico]

^ I think most folks would have been on board for Ersan+15 for Ariza+3 (including me). What many didn't want was to do the deal without getting the 15 back. A few were willing to deal the 3 for a package involving Derrick Williams, but that was much less popular than the Ersan scenarios.

The problem with evaluating Porter is that we're likely not going to see much of him this year. There's no timetable for his return, and whenever he is healthy the team likely can't afford to let him learn on the job. If there ever was a time to use the D-League, it's to have Porter do his rehab there. If he can dominate there, then I'll get excited about him again.

[Higga]

Washington Wizards Medical Staff: where turning minor injuries into major setbacks happen.

They'd turn a minor cough into lung cancer.

[Upper Decker]

^ I think most folks would have been on board for Ersan+15 for Ariza+3 (including me). What many didn't want was to do the deal without getting the 15 back. A few were willing to deal the 3 for a package involving Derrick Williams, but that was much less popular than the Ersan scenarios.

The problem with evaluating Porter is that we're likely not going to see much of him this year. There's no timetable for his return, and whenever he is healthy the team likely can't afford to let him learn on the job. If there ever was a time to use the D-League, it's to have Porter do his rehab there. If he can dominate there, then I'll get excited about him again.

Is the D-League even a place where Porter could excel? I ask with all sincerity because everyone said Porter's failures in the summer league were all because the unstructured style of play. Porter apologists said if he were in a more structured environment he'd have looked a lot better. Well the D-League is like the summer leagues on steroids. It is far from a slam dunk that Porter will look like a high-lotto pick in the D-Leagues. At that point what will happen to his psyche / confidence / value after that?

[LyricalRico]

^ My understanding of how Porter was used in SL is that he was basically told to play SG and make it up as he went along just because they wanted to see how he would react to it since it was only a handful of games and the games didn't matter.

I don't watch the D-League to know what the predominant style of play is, but having Porter play his natural position for an extended period of time in games that matter at least somewhat would seem to have more value. Either way, he's gotta be so behind that I don't see how they'll be able to give him minutes in a season where every win counts. Having him play in the D-League is better IMO than the team continually having to answer "why is your #3 overall pick not playing".

[stevemcqueen1]

No the team needs to take a risk and play Porter. They were confident enough in his ability to draft him #3 overall, he needs to play. We're wasting an asset by not playing him.

Playing him and moving Ariza is certainly a risk, but it's a good risk to take. The potential loss is small and the potential reward is very high. Risk nothing and you gain nothing. We drafted Porter to be our starting SF, he should be working toward fulfilling that role ASAP. We have Webster behind him and Ariza is expiring. We need to trade Ariza and get some help at one of several other areas of need on the roster.

[nuposse04]

Ariza is a streaky shooter IMO, while it is nice to see him hit these 3s... it isn't something I'd bank on. Ariza seems to disappear from games when his shot isn't falling. Porter has some abilities that Ariza doesn't and absolutely should be a better long term option at SF. I hope the FO is patient with him, but them making the Mek trade so suddenly doesn't give me great hope lol.

[DCZards]

Ariza is a streaky shooter IMO, while it is nice to see him hit these 3s... it isn't something I'd bank on. Ariza seems to disappear from games when his shot isn't falling. Porter has some abilities that Ariza doesn't and absolutely should be a better long term option at SF. I hope the FO is patient with him, but them making the Mek trade so suddenly doesn't give me great hope lol.

Ariza never really "disappears" from games because even when his shot is not falling you can always count on him to play outstanding (and disruptive) defense. Trevor scoring anything more than 12-15 pts. is a bonus.

Although, I agree that Porter is the better long-term prospect--he better be at the third pick. and I'm also opposed to sending him to the D league when he's healthy...unless it's only a short assignment to get in playing shape. Like MLB teams do when they send a player coming off an injury to the minors for a few games.

[stevemcqueen1]

D League isn't analagous to baseball minor leagues. Vets get sent down to the minors to rehab. There's no sugarcoating it, having a #3 pick get assigned to the D League is awful. Hopefully it doesn't happen. Hopefully he's with the team and playing by the end of the month.

The only people really talking about Porter to this point, the calls to send him to the D League, its coming primarily from people who hated on the Porter pick day one. A majority of people actually liked Porter and wanted him, thought he was the no brainer option for us, but they've been quiet because we haven't seen anything actually worth talking about yet. Idle brains make the devil's work, mostly you've got people posting all kinds of dumb stuff about the kid.

[hands11]

No the team needs to take a risk and play Porter. They were confident enough in his ability to draft him #3 overall, he needs to play. We're wasting an asset by not playing him.

Playing him and moving Ariza is certainly a risk, but it's a good risk to take. The potential loss is small and the potential reward is very high. Risk nothing and you gain nothing. We drafted Porter to be our starting SF, he should be working toward fulfilling that role ASAP. We have Webster behind him and Ariza is expiring. We need to trade Ariza and get some help at one of several other areas of need on the roster.

Actually the biggest waste is the money.

Why did we have to 'luck" into the #3 this year ?

#10-11 would have been so much cheaper.

$2,090,880 $2,184,960 $2,279,040 $3,140,517 with the last two team options.

vs

$4,278,000 $4,470,480 $4,662,960 $5,893,981

[Upper Decker]

No the team needs to take a risk and play Porter. They were confident enough in his ability to draft him #3 overall, he needs to play. We're wasting an asset by not playing him.

Playing him and moving Ariza is certainly a risk, but it's a good risk to take. The potential loss is small and the potential reward is very high. Risk nothing and you gain nothing. We drafted Porter to be our starting SF, he should be working toward fulfilling that role ASAP. We have Webster behind him and Ariza is expiring. We need to trade Ariza and get some help at one of several other areas of need on the roster.

Actually the biggest waste is the money.

Why did we have to 'luck" into the #3 this year ?

#10-11 would have been so much cheaper.

$2,090,880 $2,184,960 $2,279,040 $3,140,517 with the last two team options.

vs

$4,278,000 $4,470,480 $4,662,960 $5,893,981

Are the final two years of the contract guaranteed for the #3 pick? If so, at what position do the final two years become unguaranteed?

[DCZards]

Actually the biggest waste is the money.

Why did we have to 'luck" into the #3 this year ?

#10-11 would have been so much cheaper.

$2,090,880 $2,184,960 $2,279,040 $3,140,517 with the last two team options.

vs

$4,278,000 $4,470,480 $4,662,960 $5,893,981

Hands, my guess is that most teams--and most fans--would prefer the 3rd pick to the 10th or 11th pick, despite the fact that the 10-11 picks get paid less. Your chances of drafting a game-changing player and potential all-star is much better with the 3rd pick (e.g. Bradley Beal).

[The Consiglieri]

So if there was redo - knowing what you know now.... what would you do with the 3rd pick?

Still draft Porter?

Trade it for Ersan & the 15th?

Draft someone else at #3?

Trade down for a pick & player?

Package pick plus other contracts for a veteran?

trying to remember my rankings, i think they were:

1. Noel
2. Bennett
3. Oladipo

I had Porter at 6 or 7, Zeller at 9 or 10 at the end, and those 3 were my targets. Noel for his ceiling combined with the scarcity of players with his skill set, Bennett because of his ceiling, and Oladipo because of his floor, mental make up, and what he'd add to the team in terms of value, and leadership/chemistry. Great team first, d up guy who had a burdgeoning offensive game.

If I could go back, I'd lift Zeller to 3 temporarily while I wait for the real games to start.

I would have never taken Porter under any circumstances barring a trade down.

In a trade down my targets would have been McLemore, Caldwell-Pope, McCollum, Mitchell, Adetokouobo, Schroeder, Karasev or Gobert:

1. McLemore
2. McCollum
3. Mitchell
4. Gobert
5. Adetokouobo
6. Schroeder
7. Caldwell-Pope

It's hard for me to imagine us making a worse move in the draft then the move we did go with. Low Ceiling, low floor guy with plenty of issues in his game which suggest difficulty in making the transition to the pros.

Otoh, Glen Rice Jr was just about the highest value guy available on my board when we made our second round move. Couldn't find my first round projection but did find my second rounder priority list:

My second round priorities utilizing players ranked 20th or worse:1. Tony Mitchell
2. Rudy Gobert
3. Giannis Adetokoubo
4. Shabazz Muhammad (it could happen, he's falling fast)
5. Glen Rice JR
6. Reggie Bullock
7. Tony Snell
8. Jamaal Franklin
9. Nate Wolters
10. Isaiah Canaan
11. Adonis Thomas
12. Mike Muscala
13. Pierre Jackson
14. Archie Goodwin
15. Myack Kabongo
15b. Alex Abrines

Do not like Murphy or Green