Would T-mac be rated higher than Wiggins out of Highschool?

LloydFree · Post #21 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 10:20 am

Vides990 wrote:
LloydFree wrote:T-Mac wasn't even rated higher than Lamar Odom, in his own class.

I don't think you understand how highly Lamar Odom was viewed coming out of high school.

I understand quite well how highly Lamar Odom was viewed coming out of high school. Just pointing out that McGrady was rated behind him.

Hamilton · Post #22 » by **Hamilton** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 3:05 pm

why didnèt odom come out of highschool thenÉ

EGarrett · Post #23 » by **EGarrett** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 4:19 pm

Hamilton wrote:Would T-mac be rated higher than Wiggins out of High school?
I mean he looked so athletic and lanky
Or what about Kobe?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eELiXIWn9fo[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w8RjnNfUrw[/youtube]

Here are some of McGrady's predraft scouting reports...

http://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/1997 ... ut/sg.html

tcorbin · Post #24 » by **tcorbin** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 4:33 pm

TMac got national attention very late in his HS days. Kobe and KG got instant national attention from the start when they were freshmen.

Wiggins has been on the national radar for almost 5 years now.

LLJ · Post #25 » by **LLJ** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 4:59 pm

T-Mac's broken jumpshot as a teen would put him below Wiggins and Kobe.

T-Mac had some intriguing skills--ballhandling, athleticism, court vision, rebounding, but it depended on him to get a jumpshot to put it all together, and he didn't do that until the final year in Toronto and starting in Orlando. Heck, Butch Carter later said T-Mac didn't have a jumpshot until he got to Orlando.

Chi · Post #26 » by **Chi** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 5:02 pm

The lack of response leads me to believe that Wiggins is not the next Kobe/T-Mac...

He must be the next Terrance Ross...

LLJ · Post #27 » by **LLJ** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 6:31 pm

Chi wrote:The lack of response leads me to believe that Wiggins is not the next Kobe/T-Mac...

He must be the next Terrance Ross...

His jumpshot is decent for his age and he rebounds on par with what an athletic swingman should rebound. Below average handles and court vision put him below Kobe/TMac for me though.

Chi · Post #28 » by **Chi** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 6:36 pm

LLJ wrote:
Chi wrote:The lack of response leads me to believe that Wiggins is not the next Kobe/T-Mac...

He must be the next Terrance Ross...

His jumpshot is decent for his age and he rebounds on par with what an athletic swingman should rebound. Below average handles and court vision put him below Kobe/TMac for me though.

Thanks...

So far the picture I'm seeing is a super atheltic Terrance Ross/JR Smith type athleticism, probably a little taller version.

With below avg. handles, Luol Deng level perhaps?

And a decent level jumper...

Sounds Rudy Gay-ish overall... And doesn't sound like the franchise saver #1 pick he's being made out to be.

I'm not hating, because I don't even know him. I'm just going off the description I have so far heard of him. If I'm way off, someone please feel free to point me in the right direction with this kid.

LLJ · Post #29 » by **LLJ** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 7:00 pm

Considerably more athletic than Rudy Gay...with Rudy Gay skills. That's how I see him so far.

He should be at least a better version of Rudy Gay in the NBA, but judging solely from skills, I would say right now he's not a franchise player, no. He is most definitely not LeBron calibre.

Young_Buc · Post #30 » by **Young_Buc** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 10:03 pm

Vides990 wrote:
LloydFree wrote:T-Mac wasn't even rated higher than Lamar Odom, in his own class.

I don't think you understand how highly Lamar Odom was viewed coming out of high school.

I said in another thread he was looked upon as a better prospect than kobe or mcgrady. Was supposed to be magic johnson. Looked the part his rookie year too.

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King John · Post #31 » by **King John** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 11:44 pm

LLJ wrote:Considerably more athletic than Rudy Gay...with Rudy Gay skills. That's how I see him so far.

He should be at least a better version of Rudy Gay in the NBA, but judging solely from skills, I would say right now he's not a franchise player, no. He is most definitely not LeBron calibre.

He's considerably more athletic than this?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eKjAekQXp8[/youtube]

chefy · Post #32 » by **chefy** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 11:51 pm

Watch how this thread is gonna end up like another one of those Tmac being "long, athletic, smoothest player ever, wet, black, goat etc etc.." threads.

Jonatton Yeah · Post #33 » by **Jonatton Yeah** » Sun Nov 3, 2013 12:01 am

Is it reasonable to say that high school players of prior eras lacked the development of their modern comparisons because in prior eras the college expectation rendered a rigorous high school program less relevant?

The Garnett, Kobe, McGrady types might not have been as NBA ready as, say, a Wiggins or an Anthony Davis because they weren't expected to be. The former were the trailblazers and the latter are probably more NBA ready because of it.

As a caveat, I have nothing to prove this in either direction. Just a thought, really.

CodyB_ · Post #34 » by **CodyB_** » Sun Nov 3, 2013 12:36 am

King John wrote:
LLJ wrote:Considerably more athletic than Rudy Gay...with Rudy Gay skills. That's how I see him so far.

He should be at least a better version of Rudy Gay in the NBA, but judging solely from skills, I would say right now he's not a franchise player, no. He is most definitely not LeBron calibre.

He's considerably more athletic than this?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eKjAekQXp8[/youtube]

Hate Rudy Gay but looove this video.

He actually makes dunks look effortless. Didn't know he was so long (no homo)

mathgeek · Post #35 » by **mathgeek** » Sun Nov 3, 2013 2:04 am

Wiggins has very good defensive instincts and is super quick on the floor but doesn't have very good handles. His jumpshot is awkward but it's alright for his level so far, this is the easiest aspect of the game to improve on in my opinion.

toodles23 · Post #36 » by **toodles23** » Sun Nov 3, 2013 2:23 am

LLJ wrote:T-Mac's broken jumpshot as a teen would put him below Wiggins and Kobe.

T-Mac had some intriguing skills--ballhandling, athleticism, court vision, rebounding, but it depended on him to get a jumpshot to put it all together, and he didn't do that until the final year in Toronto and starting in Orlando. Heck, Butch Carter later said T-Mac didn't have a jumpshot until he got to Orlando.

Wiggins jumper is basically broken, too. He only shot 36% on threes with the HS line, and 60% at the FT line.

I see Wiggins best case scenario as being the next Dominique Wilkins. Which is very good, but it's definitely not the next Kobe/T-Mac.

Massamba · Post #37 » by **Massamba** » Sun Nov 3, 2013 2:30 am

nba scouting = watching youtude videos ?

Jonatton Yeah · Post #38 » by **Jonatton Yeah** » Sun Nov 3, 2013 3:17 am

toodles23 wrote:I see Wiggins best case scenario as being the next Dominique Wilkins. Which is very good, but it's definitely not the next Kobe/T-Mac.

Don't be daft. Wiggins could be better than Jordan. Wiggins could be Odom. Wiggins could die. We have no idea. What you "see" should not be used in the same context as "definitely." Grip, you should grab.

VC-INJURY · Post #39 » by **VC-INJURY** » Sun Nov 3, 2013 3:29 am

Young_Buc wrote:
Vides990 wrote:
LloydFree wrote:T-Mac wasn't even rated higher than Lamar Odom, in his own class.

I don't think you understand how highly Lamar Odom was viewed coming out of high school.

I said in another thread he was looked upon as a better prospect than kobe or mcgrady. Was supposed to be magic johnson. Looked the part his rookie year too.

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This. People thought Odom was going to be the next great anomaly the game has seen; a 6'10 player who could dribble, pass and shoot and could play all 5 positions if he really had to. Guys like this will always be rated above guys who are "just" a SG, SF etc.

Scuall · Post #40 » by **Scuall** » Sun Nov 3, 2013 3:34 am

I followed HS/College basketball alot back then. McGrady was a very late bloomer on the national HS scene. The summer camps prior to his transfer to Mount Zion are where he exploded. Back then, the national recruiting scene was primarily covered by Street & Smith's, and discussed on Internet via the newsgroup at alt.sports.collegebasketball (or something like that, it's been about 20 years since I've been there). IIRC, there was no mention of McGrady in the Street & Smith's prior to his senior year.