All Things "Brooklyn Nets" Thread

[Paradise]

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I know some of this stuff is funny but do we really need to talk about the Knicks in our Brooklyn Nets thread? I feel like this is one thread where we can and should really focus on us as a basketball team and not talk about them.

I know it's fun to make jokes about them but it seems like they get mentioned in most threads. It kinda perpetuates the idea that the Nets fans have an inferiority complex, which we don't have.

Fixed but I agree.

[NyCeEvO]

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[Paradise]

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RealGM would implode if it ever happened.

[bobbyc]

What kind of year does Deron need to win MVP?

If Deron posts 19 points and 10 assists on a top 4 team in the league with a eFG% around .58, will he win it?

[Paradise]

What kind of year does Deron need to win MVP?

If Deron posts 19 points and 10 assists on a top 4 team in the league with a eFG% around .58, will he win it?

Honestly based on the media's perception of him, he would need to have a monster average of 20ppg, 10+ assists on 50% FG, 42% three point shooting with the team being Top 2 in the East.

19ppg, 10 assists on a Top 4 team would likely place him back into a Top 5 PG discussion. He'll need to do more for him to win MVP and enter the Top 10 player category.

[therealbig3]

He just won't win MVP, I can almost guarantee that, no matter how well he plays.

He's on a stacked team, and he's not obviously the best player in the league like LeBron, so guys like Rose and CP3, whose teams should win a similar amount of games, but with a lot less perceived talent, will get more MVP love than Deron, as will LeBron.

[Ronito]

I'm with therealbig3. It doesn't matter what numbers he puts up, he won't win it. The voters don't like him to begin with. At best he'll get the Tony Parker treatment. Media will say he's a candidate, but they'll all give their votes to LeBron or Rose.

He'll need to do 20/10 to have a chance because people love those round numbers.

[Basileus777]

We'd need to win 60+ games for Deron to have a chance. The MVP award is usually given to the best player on the best team. If Deron has good numbers and the Nets have the best record, that's the only way for him to win it.

[Paradise]

ESPN picks the Nets to win the the Division. Unanimous vote.

http://espn.go.com/nba/notebook/_/page/ ... n-champion

[vincecarter4pres]

I think Deron would literally need to do something ridiculous like 23/11 or 26/9 on sick percentages and the Nets to be at worst 2nd best in the East, at least 58 wins and at least top 3 record in the league to win MVP.

Lopez would also need to excel with a ton of his points coming off Deron assists where they say Deron has helped him take the next step into a truly elite big man.

Then maybe he would win MVP. Maybe.

[DrazenForThree]

its gonna be real tough... i think we'd have to win the east or have the leagues best record for that to happen and he would have to have monster games anytime were on national tv.

i dont see it.... its clear that George/Rose are the guys the league wants to give it to if they dont give it to lebron.

[therealbig3]

Yeah, I'm sorry, but Deron looks exactly like he did the 1st half of last season: overweight and slow.

I don't see him being in the physical shape he was hyped up to be in, and it's really not just playing limited minutes and being passive. He just looks heavy out there, and it's been a struggle for him to break anyone down off the dribble.

I'm 100% confident in KG and Lopez and the bench turning it around, and Johnson is going to be the same inconsistent shooter he's always been, but I don't have the same hopes for Deron. I really hope I'm wrong and it's something that's just a result of sitting out the preseason and something he can quickly correct just by playing a few more games, but I'm not holding my breath.

[deepblueday]

i actually think deron looks pretty good. rusty, missed a ton of makeable looks against orlando, but he's moving okay. the reality is, he isn't playing anywhere close to enough minutes. he needs to be a 38+ MPG, extremely high usage player for us. we have the same problems that we had last year offensively. you can't "take turns." you have to establish an identity, and let your best players have the ball on virtually every possession. too many players are being given the green light to create offense for this team. brook in the post, no. johnson iso, no. livingston pick and rolls, no. blatche in the high post, good **** god no. deron should be a close to 40 MPG player, and the offense needs to stem from him on most possessions. if not deron, then paul. obviously all of those things are options within the flow of the game, but we're just trying too much out there with players that, while they're talented and have ball skills, giving them possessions is actually a mistake and a waste most of the time.

[therealbig3]

IDK, he's been trying to break people down off the dribble and get into the paint and he just hasn't been able to. The explosion off the dribble that was there after the ASB last year just isn't there right now. And he doesn't really look all that lean imo.

I do agree though, we need to establish roles and give our best offensive player (Deron) clear primacy and have him control the ball. Use Pierce and Johnson as spot up shooters/guys that can take advantage of a mismatch when it's there. Similarly, use Lopez as a finisher around the rim, but feed him the ball when he's got a mismatch. Don't have to worry about giving KG his turn, he's purely just a spot up shooter at this point.

[NyCeEvO]

Yeah, I noticed this during the Heat game. D-Will looks exactly the same wat he did in the first half of last season.

I know he was injured for basically all of the preseason but I'm getting tired of the excuses. There's always something that's supposedly keeping him back. If he doesn't pick it up soon, I'll no longer be a D-Will apologist.

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[therealbig3]

A fantastic aspect of this team that was on display during the Miami game late is that our starting lineup consists of 5 excellent FT shooters. So late in games, when the team needs to hit FTs, we should be able to ice games VERY successfully. Career FT%s:

Lopez: 79%
Garnett: 79%
Pierce: 81%
Johnson: 80%
Williams: 82%

And in recent years, Johnson, Pierce, Williams, and Garnett have developed into better shooters and have typically been better FT shooters than their career averages indicate. Last year, Garnett and Pierce had down years from the FT line (Pierce at 79%, Garnett at 79%), but since the formation of the big 3 in Boston, Pierce has been an 84% FT shooter, and Garnett has been an 83% FT shooter. D-Will since being traded here has been an 85% FT shooter. Since 08, Johnson has been an 83% FT shooter.

So we basically have 4 starters who are mid-80s FT shooters, which is an elite percentage. The weakest FT shooter in our starting lineup is a guy that typically shoots around 80% from the line. As a result, if we have a lead late in games, we can be pretty confident about holding on if the other team needs to play the foul game, because our entire starting lineup can hit their FTs at an elite rate. It also helps with regards to running a late game offense in general, because we don't have to avoid giving the ball to anyone out of fear that they might be sent to the FT line, like with Gerald Wallace and Reggie Evans (weren't their missed FTs actually a big reason why we choked away a game in the playoffs to Chicago?).

[therealbig3]

The more I think about this team...I don't think we need to make a move for anyone else, like it's being suggested. Maybe move Teletovic just so we get some value for him, but I don't think we need to do anything to improve the team. What are we missing? Joe Johnson and Paul Pierce are playing fantastic basketball, and that was really the biggest question as far as fit was concerned...would they be able to play well together? Clearly, they can. JJ has done a great job moving to a spot up shooter role, and Pierce has been our best or 2nd best player so far (certainly the most consistent through the first 4 games). And Pierce has developed a really nice chemistry with Brook. Lopez gonna Lopez.

The only thing we really need to do is to get D-Will and KG going...and all that's missing from KG is his midrange jumper...he's just missing shots that he normally makes in his sleep. D-Will just needs to get his legs under him and get that explosion off the dribble back, and he'll be fine. I think he's much more comfortable sharing the ball and really not looking to score all that much...look at how unpleasant it was for him and us alike when he had to be a big time scorer (2012).

And from the bench, similar to D-Will, AK just needs to shake the rust off, because it's pretty easy to see the extraordinarily positive things he can do for this team. Terry has also been pretty good and seems to be much more comfortable here than he was in Boston. Livingston has also been pretty good and looks to have a lot of his old explosion back, which is great. The only real disappointment off the bench has been Blatche, and it's more of an IQ thing than a skills thing. If he could get his head right, we know he's one of the best backup bigs in the league.

I really love this team, especially after seeing them in real RS action together. Yeah, we've had 2 really disappointing losses, but I definitely feel like those were aberrations and that this team can consistently play like they did against Miami and Utah.

And even when they coast...there's just so much talent and shot makers on this team that we should pretty much always get a good shot every time down the floor, even if the execution sucks.

[NyCeEvO]

I don't think anyone was seriously asking for a trade to improve the team.

Regarding Mirza, the thought was 'if he wants to go, then we might as well get something of value in return for him', but I'm not clamoring to get another guy who's going to be 13th-15th man on a team.

The only question is whether we'll see the Lopez of last night or the Lopez of the Orlando game every night. He's too important to our team success for us to tolerate major fluctuations in his play.

If we know what type of production we're going to get from him, it's easy to know whether he keeps us at title-contender level or not. It's just maddening when we see him dominate and play like a guy who's going to cause everyone fits and then play like he just learned what a basketball was a few days prior.

If KG can keep Lopez active and ready like last night, I wouldn't want him to be traded for anyone (save D12).

[DrazenForThree]

The more I think about this team...I don't think we need to make a move for anyone else, like it's being suggested. Maybe move Teletovic just so we get some value for him, but I don't think we need to do anything to improve the team. What are we missing? Joe Johnson and Paul Pierce are playing fantastic basketball, and that was really the biggest question as far as fit was concerned...would they be able to play well together? Clearly, they can. JJ has done a great job moving to a spot up shooter role, and Pierce has been our best or 2nd best player so far (certainly the most consistent through the first 4 games). And Pierce has developed a really nice chemistry with Brook. Lopez gonna Lopez.

The only thing we really need to do is to get D-Will and KG going...and all that's missing from KG is his midrange jumper...he's just missing shots that he normally makes in his sleep. D-Will just needs to get his legs under him and get that explosion off the dribble back, and he'll be fine. I think he's much more comfortable sharing the ball and really not looking to score all that much...look at how unpleasant it was for him and us alike when he had to be a big time scorer (2012).

And from the bench, similar to D-Will, AK just needs to shake the rust off, because it's pretty easy to see the extraordinarily positive things he can do for this team. Terry has also been pretty good and seems to be much more comfortable here than he was in Boston. Livingston has also been pretty good and looks to have a lot of his old explosion back, which is great. The only real disappointment off the bench has been Blatche, and it's more of an IQ thing than a skills thing. If he could get his head right, we know he's one of the best backup bigs in the league.

I really love this team, especially after seeing them in real RS action together. Yeah, we've had 2 really disappointing losses, but I definitely feel like those were aberrations and that this team can consistently play like they did against Miami and Utah.

And even when they coast...there's just so much talent and shot makers on this team that we should pretty much always get a good shot every time down the floor, even if the execution sucks.

i think we are good roster wise. i think Kidd needs to really step up coaching wise, or expand franks involvement

[NyCeEvO]

Toko and Tyshawn were sent down to the Armor:

http://www.nba.com/nets/news/nets-assig ... ld-armor-0