ATL - Oladipo is Really Good (and Bledsoe dominant again)

Thunder Muscle · Post #881 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 5:24 pm

I think you're right. I think we had our eye set on Teague, with Jennings and possibly Knight as the back-up plan. I don't think Hammond intended on the Hawks matching Teague especially after they drafted a PG. Obviously that backfired.

jtcooky · Post #882 » by **jtcooky** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 8:14 pm

Well we still have a chance to get Bledsoe after this year, albeit a slim chance, if for some reason Phoenix doesn't want to match our max offer sheet for him.

CanadaBucks · Post #883 » by **CanadaBucks** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 8:24 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:Defense was going to be a major problem for the Knicks this year with Tyson Chandler.

Without him they are toast. I can't see them making the playoffs.

If I'm John Hammond......or should I say David Morway.....I would be on the phone asking for a 1st round pick for Udoh.

They can't trade a first until the 2018 one, but I would ask for Hardaway for Udoh for sure

Post #884 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 8:48 pm

I'd be fine with a 2018 1st for Udoh.

AussieBuck · Post #885 » by **AussieBuck** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 8:51 pm

Come on guys we want the Knicks' 8th seed not some crummy future asset. :roll:

Post #886 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 8:53 pm

randy84 wrote: The issue is whether our front office realized Bledsoe is the type of guy you target and overpay for.

The problems is that the front office didn't want Bledsoe. They were stuck on getting Hawks like Korver and Teague.

Bingo.

And that is why the front office needs to be bashed over Bledsoe. It wasn't like Phoenix gave up Andre Drummond for him. They took on Caron's contract, which we later took and gave LAC Jared f-ing Dudley.

We obviously could have trumped Dudley without even giving up a pick.

Our front office was close to getting laid by Scarlett Johanson (Bledsoe) and purposely pulled out to try and go **** Rosie O'Donnell and Rachel Ray. Sorry to put it in those terms, but our front office blew this one big time.

trwi7 · Post #887 » by **trwi7** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 8:59 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I'd be fine with a 2018 1st for Udoh.

Oh, so you want that 2018 pick to go to Seattle? Because that's where the Bucks will be if they don't make the playoffs the next few years.

/stupid but too often used answer

Post #888 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 9:10 pm

So am I allowed to be upset that we didn't deal up for Andre Drummond? I mean, I assume it wouldn't have taken much to jump from 12 to 8 in the 2012 draft. I'm sure we could have used our enviable amount of assets to get it done. That's how this works in Fake Trades We Know We Could Have Made Happen Land, right?

CanadaBucks · Post #889 » by **CanadaBucks** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 9:11 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I'd be fine with a 2018 1st for Udoh.

Over Hardaway?(non-sarcastic question)

Wonka · Post #890 » by **Wonka** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 9:11 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Our front office was close to getting laid by Scarlett Johanson (Bledsoe) and purposely pulled out to try and go **** Rosie O'Donnell and Rachel Ray. Sorry to put it in those terms, but our front office blew this one big time.

Oh my **** God. Once you bring Scarlett Johansson into this, you have my full attention.

Post #891 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 9:12 pm

CanadaBucks wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I'd be fine with a 2018 1st for Udoh.

Over Hardaway?(non-sarcastic question)

I'd take Hardaway too.

Wonka · Post #892 » by **Wonka** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 9:15 pm

Hardaway is shooting like 16 percent from 3 but I think he has some upside...

CanadaBucks · Post #893 » by **CanadaBucks** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 9:26 pm

Wonka wrote:Hardaway is shooting like 16 percent from 3 but I think he has some upside...

He's perfected the hit the side of the backboard, carom back for the mid-range jumper though

Post #894 » by **jr lucosa** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 9:28 pm

I would ask for two 2nds before Hardaway, not a fan of his game.

trwi7 · Post #895 » by **trwi7** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 9:43 pm

I think I'd rather **** Rosie O'Donnell than Rachael Ray because you know once you're done Rachael Ray just won't stfu. Of course, you can probably tell her there's a camera on in the kitchen and that she should probably go make you a sammich.

Now I'm conflicted.

Post #896 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 9:53 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:So am I allowed to be upset that we didn't deal up for Andre Drummond? I mean, I assume it wouldn't have taken much to jump from 12 to 8 in the 2012 draft. I'm sure we could have used our enviable amount of assets to get it done. That's how this works in Fake Trades We Know We Could Have Made Happen Land, right?

You should be damn upset about it. Hammond has a long track record now of not being able to close.

Post #897 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 9:54 pm

You guys can spend all the energy you want about hypotheticals and imaginary deals. I'll get annoyed at all the tangible mistakes this team makes.

Post #898 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 10:06 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:You guys can spend all the energy you want about hypotheticals and imaginary deals. I'll get annoyed at all the tangible mistakes this team makes.

You are looking at it from the "mistake" perspective. If Hammond doesn't make mistakes, we simply tread water.

I'd like us to get better. To do that, you have to make positive trades. Ones where we don't just tread water and don't make a mistake. Ones where we acquire players who turn out far better than what we gave up. Like Phoenix just did with Bledsoe.

Hammond arguably has made only two trades in six years that ended up with positive value. Acquiring Salmons and later trading him to The Kings and moving up from 10 to 7 in the 2011 draft. In both cases the positive value was small and fleeting. In the second Salmons deal, it lasted ten seconds until he gave up pick 7 for Stephen Jackson.

HurricaneKid · Post #899 » by **HurricaneKid** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 10:09 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:http://www.brewhoop.com/2013/7/1/4485242/nba-rumors-eric-bledsoe-trade-jj-redick-bucks#comments

The issue isn't whether the Clips would have ultimately taken Redick for Caron and Bledsoe. The issue is whether our front office realized Bledsoe is the type of guy you target and overpay for. Include any combination of Moute, Udoh and Ersan if needed and Bledsoe is suiting up for the Bucks right now.

C'mon. You are a mod. Everyone was surprised we could get a 2nd for Moute. And Udoh would do NOTHING for the Clipps. In fact, he would do very little for most teams. And Ers at 8M wasn't nearly a match for them as they have Blake Griffin there and want to cut salary.

People are simply not recognizing that in terms of value we don't have a whole lot. We paid Ersan when no one else in the league would. He has maintained that value but I wouldn't argue that it has gone up substantially. Dudley is a starter, an ideal role player, and is on a very team friendly deal. The Clipps, and most teams, value that a lot more than Moute, Udoh, etc.

HurricaneKid · Post #900 » by **HurricaneKid** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 10:13 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
randy84 wrote:
We obviously could have trumped Dudley without even giving up a pick.

This is factually incorrect. You guys get upset about all the crappy deals we give our players then get mad when we can't transform those crappy deals into superstars. Its absurd. Dudley at 4M > anything we have short of Sanders. Especially when our prized peach is a PF and the other team has Blake Griffin.