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Re: Worst in-game coaching decision you've ever seen 

Post#61 » by choppermagic » Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:09 pm

F1uxCapacit0r wrote:Watching your coach refuse to double team Kobe and have him make history scoring 81 :dontknow:


I remember people in Toronto talking about this. I think the old adage of shutting down the other players and forcing the star to try and beat you single handedly was in play. In fact, people here think Kobe shooting a lot costs his team wins too. However, in this case, no one could have predicted Kobe going off for 81. If the Raptors simply let him go off on a more "normal" 40-50pt night, their strategy would have worked.
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Re: Worst in-game coaching decision you've ever seen 

Post#62 » by mopper8 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:32 pm

DRK wrote:
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why couldnt duncant defend bosh from three? its not like he has to worry about bosh going to the hoop...youre conceeding the 2 pointer


It's not about guarding Bosh, it's about guarding Lebron on the switch. Re-watch the play, Diaw has to step out to prevent Lebron from stepping into a wing 3, forcing him to shoot from 27 feet instead. But you can't do that and crash the boards (while he was stepping out, Bosh was diving to the rim).

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Duncan wouldn't have made a difference, if he stepped out like he should've (like Diaw actually did) he would've had the same problem Diaw did--Bosh had a 15 foot headstart and Diaw's momentum was in the wrong direction.

Throughout the game, San Antonio were content with sagging off LeBron and giving him relatively open looks. But if you watch that play, having two guys at LeBron just leaves Bosh WIDE OPEN, with a lane to the rim. If LeBron decided to pass out of the shot, which wouldve been simple, it would've left Bosh open and Wade or Allen one pass away. With the defence rotating to cover Bosh, Allen or Wade would've been open for 3 anyway.

The defensive play was broken even before the offensive rebound occured.

This is why I believe Pop taking out Duncan, and going against their plan they've had in place since the beginning the finals (sag off LeBron) in the most important play of the series, cost the Spurs the Championship, and... is probably the worst in-game decision I've seen


Your position is they should've given Lebron an open look from three :-?

Lebron shot 40% from 3 in the regular season. 37% in the playoffs. What's more, the "lay off Lebron" strategy stopped working after game 3:

Games 1-3 of the Finals:

16.7 ppg, 7.3 apg, 38.9% from the floor and 23% from 3 in 40.4 mpg

Games 4-7 of the Finals:

31.8 ppg, 6.8 apg, 47.9% from the floor and 42.9% from 3, in 45 mpg

Having the big step out on Lebron was the right call, and people are just playing the results right now. Pop took out Duncan in favor of Splitter or Diaw (both with better lateral mobility and ability to switch onto smaller guys) in similar situations all season long. If you want to talk about sticking to the game plan, he did just that, stuck with what got them to the Finals in the first place.
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Re: Worst in-game coaching decision you've ever seen 

Post#63 » by Mamba Venom » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:44 pm

Another 2013 Finals thread?
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Re: Worst in-game coaching decision you've ever seen 

Post#64 » by GeorgeDillion » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:54 pm

Raptors_Dynasty wrote:As a Raptors fan, where do I start...


Disagree, not to say that Casey is even a decent coach but last years Raptor vs Laker game Casey exploited D'Antoni. Alan Anderson was killing Jodie Meeks in the post and D'Antoni refused to take him out of the game.

D'Antoni wins this by a landslide anytime you can make Alan Anderson look like an All-star and Dwayne Casey look like an NBA level head coach you've made some terrible in game decisions.
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Re: Worst in-game coaching decision you've ever seen 

Post#65 » by Wooderson » Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:20 pm

BlackFalconGSW wrote:Mark Jackson calling a timeout on a 5-on-3

Mark Jackson refusing to call timeouts when Spurs made their big comeback (127-129 ot loss WCSF, we were up 16 late in 3rd) still mad about it.


Jackson's most egregious error that game was keeping Bogut out for the final 4:30 of regulation while SAS proceeded to run a layup drill against GS en route to their 15 point comeback in regulation.

SAS got 4 layups and 4 FTs in those 4 minutes with Bogut on the bench. Absolutely no way GS loses that game if Bogut is in their protecting the paint. SAS had scored 8 points in the previous 8 minutes with Bogut in there, and then put up 18 in the final 4 minutes with Bogut on the bench.

Easily the worst coaching F-up in the playoffs this year considering it wasn't just a single play. It's definitely up there as one of the worst of all-time given that GS might have taken the series if they win that game.
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Post#66 » by BlackFalconGSW » Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:28 pm

^ i hope he learned a lesson.
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Re: Worst in-game coaching decision you've ever seen 

Post#67 » by Wooderson » Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:38 pm

At least you guys don't have to worry about Richard Jefferson getting the ball during crunchtime anymore!
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Re: Worst in-game coaching decision you've ever seen 

Post#68 » by dobrojim » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:16 pm

misterD wrote:Pop taking Duncan out (twice) and costing the Spurs a title they had in their hands.


I thought the decision not to foul with the shot clock off up 3 in game 6 of Finals was
also a poor decision.
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Re: Worst in-game coaching decision you've ever seen 

Post#69 » by niQ » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:29 pm

All of Dwane Casey's inbound ball plays. They never work.
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Re: Worst in-game coaching decision you've ever seen 

Post#70 » by mopper8 » Thu Nov 7, 2013 9:55 pm

SAN ANTONIO — It took all of five games of the 2013-14 season to see whether or not head coach Gregg Popovich had been chastened by Game 6 of last season’s Finals.

Despite having been roundly criticized for sitting Tim Duncan on Miami’s last two regulation possessions in that contest, needing just one stop to secure the championship, Popovich went back to the well in Wednesday’s 99-96 victory over Phoenix.

The strategy was as sound then as it was back in June: The opposition was in dire need of a 3, so Popovich elected to sit Duncan in favor of a smaller, more reactive lineup. This time, however, it worked. The Spurs harried Phoenix into a pair of low-percentage attempts, and victory was theirs.

That’s been the outcome far more often than not since last season, when Popovich began using the tactic with increasing regularity. Indeed, until Miami made those two title-shifting 3s in Game 6, the Spurs had been virtually flawless in defending a lead of three points or less with Duncan on the bench.

From my very unofficial gleaning of last season’s play-by-play:

Spurs 108, L.A. Lakers 105

MISS — Kobe Bryant 3-pointer, 3.9 seconds left
MISS — Earl Clark 3-pointer, 1.0 second left

Spurs 92, Dallas 91

MISS — Vince Carter 3-pointer, 1.2 seconds left

Spurs 100, Denver 99

MISS — Andre Miller at the rim, 1.0 second left

Spurs 104, L.A. Clippers 102

MISS — Chris Paul short jumper, 1.2 seconds left

Spurs 129, Golden State 127 (playoffs, 2 OT)

MISS — Stephen Curry 15-foot jumper, 1.8 seconds left (end of regulation)
MAKE — Jarrett Jack layup, 20.8 seconds left (end of OT No. 1)

Golden State 97, Spurs 87 (playoffs)

MISS — Jarrett Jack misses 18-footer (end of regulation)

Spurs 93, Memphis 89 (playoffs, OT)

MISS — Jerryd Bayless 3-pointer, 11.8 seconds left (end of OT)

That’s 1 for 9 overall, and a victory in all seven games when the tactic was deployed. Then, of course, came Game 6, when…well, no need to go romping back through the gory details again, is there?

So, entering last night’s 0-for-2 from the Suns, the unofficial tally stood at:

Leading by three points or less – 2 for 11

Leading by four points or more – 3 for 7, plus 2 free throws

Overall – 5 for 18, plus 2 FTs, for a total of 14 points on 13 possessions (defensive rating: 107.7)

Basketball Reference lists the Spurs with a 101.6 rating during the regular season, while NBA.com had them at 99.2, so that would seem to be a rather dramatic slide. They also gave up five offensive rebounds on the 13 misses, most notably those two huge ones against Miami, for a pretty poor rebounding percentage of just 61.5.

But the microscopic sample skews the results. For example: Exclude a 99-97 victory over the Hawks in which they gave up four points in the final 8.6 seconds while leading by six, and their defensive rating plummets to 90.9. Include only those possessions with a three-point lead or less, it drops even further to 55.5 with opponents shooting just 18 pct.

Focusing on the bigger picture of pure results, this would seem to be a pretty effective tactic for the Spurs — which is why we’ll continue to see it as the season wears on, Game 6 be damned.


http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnatio ... ns-duncan/

Popp doesn't seem to think it was a mistake. Numbers seem to support him.
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Re: Worst in-game coaching decision you've ever seen 

Post#71 » by sisibilio » Thu Nov 7, 2013 10:16 pm

niQ wrote:All of Dwane Casey's inbound ball plays. They never work.

Speaking of Casey, being 2 pts down with 26 seconds to go and not call for a foul seems... not very smart.
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Post#72 » by Orlwillbeback » Thu Nov 7, 2013 10:23 pm

Vaughn taking out Nicholson after he scored 18 points in 10 minutes in season opener against the Pacers.
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Re: Worst in-game coaching decision you've ever seen 

Post#73 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Nov 7, 2013 10:26 pm

Casey didn't call a timeout last night with 26 seconds left in the game down by 2, which all but allowed Charlotte to drain the clock down, put up a shot, and end the game.

Been a while since I seen a team up by 2 take the last shot while the opposing team didn't even really try to get the ball back.
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Post#74 » by NickAnderson » Thu Nov 7, 2013 10:52 pm

In the 09 finals when SVG put in Jameer when he didn't play a game in 4 months.
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Re: Worst in-game coaching decision you've ever seen 

Post#75 » by Massamba » Thu Nov 7, 2013 11:01 pm

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misterD wrote:Pop taking Duncan out (twice) and costing the Spurs a title they had in their hands.

Vogel took out Hibbert during game 1 which allowed LeBron to get a layup.

Whats up with good coaches taking out their defensive anchors against the Heat?

Those aren't bad coaching decisions but "pick your poison".
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Post#76 » by Optimus_Steel » Thu Nov 7, 2013 11:06 pm

I think in recent times, when Vogel took out HIbbert twice against Miami when they needed a 2pt bucket, made no sense at the time, still makes no sense. Lebron basically had a open turnstile to the basket. Sometimes these guys over think things too much. He cost his team a trip to the finals.
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Re: Worst in-game coaching decision you've ever seen 

Post#77 » by Optimus_Steel » Thu Nov 7, 2013 11:17 pm

narmerguy wrote:The duncan decision was not that bad. Would you rather have a guy to rebound a three and hope that a three is being missed, or have a guy who will defend the three well enough in the first place? If you say Duncan could have guarded out at the 3pt-line, then how's he going to help your rebounding anyway if your plan is to stick him at the 3pt line?


I agree. Pop gets way too much grief for this. The initial 3pt was missed so bad, the rebound went way out, even with Duncan on there the defense is at a disadvantage of getting that rebound on a shot missed so badly.
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Re: Worst in-game coaching decision you've ever seen 

Post#78 » by AustinRiversGod » Thu Nov 7, 2013 11:18 pm

This is not the NBA but I have to say it. Rams vs. Seahawks two weeks ago

Zac Stacy single-hadedly led the Rams to the goal line for the game winning drive, where they proceeded to pass 5 times with a QB who has no business in the Canadian Football League and showed it all game
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Re: Worst in-game coaching decision you've ever seen 

Post#79 » by Torres » Fri Nov 8, 2013 2:21 am

DGrangeRx33 wrote:
misterD wrote:Pop taking Duncan out (twice) and costing the Spurs a title they had in their hands.

Vogel took out Hibbert during game 1 which allowed LeBron to get a layup.

Whats up with good coaches taking out their defensive anchors against the Heat?


It's the strategy of "going small" and switching. Obviously failed for the Pacers so I don't know why Pop did it again.
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Re: Worst in-game coaching decision you've ever seen 

Post#80 » by SpinninHouse » Fri Nov 8, 2013 2:55 am

One time during the Tim Floyd era, the T-Wolves were beating us by 75 and Tim Floyd did a 5-for-5 substitution. Funniest thing I've ever seen in my entire life. We ended up losing by 72.
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