Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[Dark Faze]

Reddick and Bullock to Denver
Ariza to Clippers
Miller and Faried to Washington

Seems like a good deal for all imo. Would have to be done closer ot the deadline, but the Clips are in desperate need of a guy who can play defense. They have almost nobody on that team that defends other than maybe Dumbandre.

[mhd]

What about this deal:

Wiz trade Vesely(Exp)+Ariza(Exp)+Singleton(Exp) for Jeff Green+Brandon Bass
Memphis trades: Ed Davis+Prince for Ariza (exp)+Singleton (exp)
Bos trades: Jeff Green+Bass for Vesely(exp)+Prince+Ed Davis

WHY FOR THE Grizz? Prince looks done, and Ariza has been on fire this year. Ariza is a much better shooter, an ace defender, and he's expiring. He fills a huge hole as a big defensive wing.

WHY FOR THE WIZ? Ariza is expiring and will likely sign with a contender in the off-season. He's been playing great, but he's likely gone at the end of the year. Jeff Green is signed longer and will have similar production. Bass gives them a much needed quality big man off the bench. They do sacrifice max cap space this off-season with this deal, but with Ernie Grunfeld running the show, they'd blow FA anyways.

WHY FOR THE CELTICS? They get Ed Davis and will play him right away at PF. They shave off Bass's extra year, and can actually improve the tank with Prince.

[dobrojim]

But isn't Green's best position SF? Using the asset of Ariza to just go out and
get yet another SF doesn't seem that helpful.

Usually don't follow this thread that much but CLE seems like a place
that could really use Ariza. What kind of package might they be able to
put together?

[mhd]

But isn't Green's best position SF? Using the asset of Ariza to just go out and
get yet another SF doesn't seem that helpful.

Usually don't follow this thread that much but CLE seems like a place
that could really use Ariza. What kind of package might they be able to
put together?

Green can play small-ball PF. My rationale is that Ariza is very likely gone after this year (ANY contender would love to have him as an ACE defender who hits 3s). He'll get a 4 year deal and will be highly suited just like Reddick was this past off-season.

Green is signed until he expires alongside Nene, so trading for him doesn't hurt the Durant dream.

[mhd]

Hmm, what about this:

Wiz trade Porter+Ves+Singleton for Jeff Green+Olynyk? Boston shaves Green's last 2 years, and can better tank this year.

The Wiz could then try and flip Ariza for another piece as Green replaces Ariza and is signed longterm anyways. Olynyk gives us a young skilled big.

[Nivek]

No thanks, mhd. Don't want Jeff Green -- especially with what's left on his contract. Earlier in his career, he looked like he might grow into a good player. I don't see it happening at this point. Last season, he rated solidly below average in my stuff. This year, his numbers look much the same as his career norms except that he's making half his threes -- something that won't continue. To be on the hook to him for $9.2 million next season and the season after -- I wouldn't make that move.

[mhd]

No thanks, mhd. Don't want Jeff Green -- especially with what's left on his contract. Earlier in his career, he looked like he might grow into a good player. I don't see it happening at this point. Last season, he rated solidly below average in my stuff. This year, his numbers look much the same as his career norms except that he's making half his threes -- something that won't continue. To be on the hook to him for $9.2 million next season and the season after -- I wouldn't make that move.

yeah, you are probably right Nivek. I do think if the plan is to resign Gortat, then trading Ariza for something that won't leave at the end of the year may be something a proactive FO would consider. Too bad we have EG running our FO

He wanted to trade Ariza for Caron Butler last year

[nate33]

But isn't Green's best position SF? Using the asset of Ariza to just go out and
get yet another SF doesn't seem that helpful.

Usually don't follow this thread that much but CLE seems like a place
that could really use Ariza. What kind of package might they be able to
put together?

Green can play small-ball PF. My rationale is that Ariza is very likely gone after this year (ANY contender would love to have him as an ACE defender who hits 3s). He'll get a 4 year deal and will be highly suited just like Reddick was this past off-season.

Green is signed until he expires alongside Nene, so trading for him doesn't hurt the Durant dream.

Any contender would love to have Ariza, but Ariza is likely to cost more than the MLE and contenders don't have cap room. I'd rather resign Ariza than trade him for Jeff Green. We could even overpay, as long as it's on a 2-year deal.

[Nivek]

Agree completely, nate. If Jeff Green was the best I could get for Ariza, I'd rather just re-sign Ariza. Better player, and he'll probably cost less too.

[Nivek]

No thanks, mhd. Don't want Jeff Green -- especially with what's left on his contract. Earlier in his career, he looked like he might grow into a good player. I don't see it happening at this point. Last season, he rated solidly below average in my stuff. This year, his numbers look much the same as his career norms except that he's making half his threes -- something that won't continue. To be on the hook to him for $9.2 million next season and the season after -- I wouldn't make that move.

yeah, you are probably right Nivek. I do think if the plan is to resign Gortat, then trading Ariza for something that won't leave at the end of the year may be something a proactive FO would consider. Too bad we have EG running our FO

He wanted to trade Ariza for Caron Butler last year

If the plan is to re-sign Gortat (and I agree that's likely The Plan), then they'd be better off just re-signing Ariza as well.

[stevemcqueen1]

Ariza for Jose Calderon.

[TGW]

Ariza for Jose Calderon.

I don't see Dallas doing that. Marion and Ariza are similar players, and their backup point guard situation isn't good.

[stevemcqueen1]

Ariza for Jose Calderon.

I don't see Dallas doing that. Marion and Ariza are similar players, and their backup point guard situation isn't good.

What if they fall out of the playoff race in a month and want an expiring contract for the summer?

[TGW]

Ariza for Jose Calderon.

I don't see Dallas doing that. Marion and Ariza are similar players, and their backup point guard situation isn't good.

What if they fall out of the playoff race in a month and want an expiring contract for the summer?

Maybe. But do you want to risk max capspace for Jose Calderon? Doesn't seem like the smartest move.

[jivelikenice]

The priority over the next month is finding bench help. This team has a solid staring five and a couple of decent pieces on the bench but after 7-8, they have nothing of NBA significance. Ernie has to figure out a way to flip some of these expirings (Booker, singleton, Vesely, or Seraphin) for some bench help. I wonder of we'd get a second chance at Nate Robinson with Denver's slow start. Austin Rives is an unpopular name here but has some combo guard potential and played a decent SL.

Or Randy can wake up and give Glen Rice some run.

[mhd]

I'd keep Booker b/c Harrington may not be able to sustain playing 25 mpg on his knees. At least Booker is a legit 8th-9th man, who won't kill you out there.

The Wiz just don't have many options if they want to maintain the max cap space this off-season. No one wants our crap for their lesser crap if its straight expirings for expirings. Rather, we'd have to sacrifice our max cap space for help now (i.e. a Ves+Singleton for Bass type deal).

[shrink]

Hi all - I haven't been here for too long. Love your board.

I'm curious about Kevin Seraphin, and not just because MIN does so well with it's Kevins.

With Turiaf going down, Pekovic has played too many minutes and with less pick and roll, he hasn't been producing. I'm curious if you think Seraphin could help?

MIN may be looking for a short-term replacement for Turiaf. The Wolves need some size and defense, maybe 15 minutes a night. If the player could run the floor, it'd be a plus. They intend on developing Dieng, but while he's been better than advertised so far defensively, I'm concerned he'd struggle if Pek missed a game or two and he was forced to be a spot starter. Love can do that against smaller teams, but against teams with big centers, filling that Turiaf role would be useful of bogging big men down.

Do you think Seraphin could play that role? And do I remember correctly that Flip looked at Seraphin as a pet project? Finally, I realize he wouldn't cost much, but what are you looking for from him in trade? A bench player at a different position, now that you have Gortat? A 2nd? Or am I insulting you?

Thanks guys!

[nuposse04]

^Would gladly swap Dieng for him lol. The only reason to keep Seraphin right now is we have no backup centers. He's wildly inconsistent. I don't see any point in trading him yet, but if there are no signs of improvement at all by the trade deadline I think '14 2nd plus some other backup F/C player would our best bet.

[mhd]

My latest:

Wiz trade Porter+2014 2nd rounder for Henson
Bucks trade Henson+Udoh (expiring)+Knight+2014 1st rounder (top 1 protected) for Ty Lawson
Nuggets trade Lawson for Porter+2014 Wiz 2nd rounder+Knight+Udoh(exp)+Bucks 2014 1st rounder (top 1 protected)

Wiz get a MUCH needed young big in Henson, Bucks gets a MUCH needed PG (signed longterm), and Nuggets decide to tank, and get a SF for the future in Porter, a 2014 1st rounder, and a 2014 2nd rounder.

[nate33]

Hi all - I haven't been here for too long. Love your board.

I'm curious about Kevin Seraphin, and not just because MIN does so well with it's Kevins.

With Turiaf going down, Pekovic has played too many minutes and with less pick and roll, he hasn't been producing. I'm curious if you think Seraphin could help?

MIN may be looking for a short-term replacement for Turiaf. The Wolves need some size and defense, maybe 15 minutes a night. If the player could run the floor, it'd be a plus. They intend on developing Dieng, but while he's been better than advertised so far defensively, I'm concerned he'd struggle if Pek missed a game or two and he was forced to be a spot starter. Love can do that against smaller teams, but against teams with big centers, filling that Turiaf role would be useful of bogging big men down.

Do you think Seraphin could play that role? And do I remember correctly that Flip looked at Seraphin as a pet project? Finally, I realize he wouldn't cost much, but what are you looking for from him in trade? A bench player at a different position, now that you have Gortat? A 2nd? Or am I insulting you?

Thanks guys!

Yeah, as nuposse mentioned, we're not particularly opposed to dealing Seraphin in principle. The problem is we have so little front court depth. Seraphin is the only person other than Gortat and Nene who could conceivably play center, and we know as sure as the sun rises that Nene is going to miss a bunch of games.