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Post#21 » by sc8581 » Fri Nov 8, 2013 8:09 am

dan2314 wrote:our identity is being bigger than everyone and dominating the painted area. if we trade monroe for a normal SF, we are just like everyone else, only worse offensively. how do you plan on scoring with jennings/SG/leonard or parsons/smith/drummond. jennings is really the only go to, get your own shot, offensive threat. no way do i even consider doing that trade.


Smith can get his own shot in the paint if it's not so damn crowded in there.

I hope some of you realize that Monroe is middle of the pack among PFs in scoring, rebounding, shooting, efficiency and steals, he's just first in minutes so his numbers are inflated. He's not racking up the assist like many of you expected but still turning the ball over a lot, if he's not getting to the line he's not bringing much to the table. Unless you think he's worth that big payday he clearly has to be traded before the deadline and he's not going to bring back as much as most of you expect.
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Re: Greg Monroe for Kahwi Leonard or Chandler Parsons 

Post#22 » by dan2314 » Fri Nov 8, 2013 8:28 am

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dan2314 wrote:our identity is being bigger than everyone and dominating the painted area. if we trade monroe for a normal SF, we are just like everyone else, only worse offensively. how do you plan on scoring with jennings/SG/leonard or parsons/smith/drummond. jennings is really the only go to, get your own shot, offensive threat. no way do i even consider doing that trade.


Smith can get his own shot in the paint if it's not so damn crowded in there.

I hope some of you realize that Monroe is middle of the pack among PFs in scoring, rebounding, shooting, efficiency and steals, he's just first in minutes so his numbers are inflated. He's not racking up the assist like many of you expected but still turning the ball over a lot, if he's not getting to the line he's not bringing much to the table. Unless you think he's worth that big payday he clearly has to be traded before the deadline and he's not going to bring back as much as most of you expect.


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Post#23 » by sc8581 » Fri Nov 8, 2013 8:37 am

About the response I expected from such a homer.

Gordon Hayward is the guy I want for Monroe, clearly Utah doesn't need Moose but I'm hopeful a 3-way deal could be worked out.

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Post#24 » by ImHeisenberg » Fri Nov 8, 2013 11:38 am

Spurs aren't going to trade Leonard. Rockets would definitely trade Parsons for Monroe, but Detroit shouldn't do it, they would be selling low.

How about Detroit just keeps Monroe? I like that idea best.
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Post#25 » by princeofpalace » Fri Nov 8, 2013 12:10 pm

menten wrote:Leonard is an overrated roleplayer, hes kinda like what prince was a couple of years ago


Prince was a great glue guy on a championship team but couldn't carry a team on his own. I agree that Kawhi is the same type of player.
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Post#26 » by Umbra » Fri Nov 8, 2013 1:14 pm

What I love is that we could have had both right now. :lol:
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Post#27 » by rmfc » Fri Nov 8, 2013 2:31 pm

Monroe for Chandler Parsons? Are you serious?

I'd definitely do a Monroe for Kawhi (+ an an additional aseset) trade. Kawhi can be a lot more than he is allowed to do right now (because of the presence of the Spurs' big 3).

Edit: Batum and/or Aldridge would be two interesting trade targets from Pistons' perspective. Not sure if those two would ever get traded, though. They are Blazers fan favorites.
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Post#28 » by Notanoob » Fri Nov 8, 2013 4:24 pm

Why would the Spurs do this? They want to win now-trading Leonard would mean that they'd lack a small forward, or at least a starting caliber one, and Monroe would just come off the bench for Tim Duncan. This trade makes no sense for them in the slightest. They know that the window is closing, they can't wait until next year to find their starting 3, and they don't have the money to extend Monroe either.

Who's the backup SF for the Rockets? If he's good, I suppose it's possible that they'd do this, but the salaries don't match, and our big advantage is that we're a huge team. I don't want to change that.
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Post#29 » by vic » Fri Nov 8, 2013 6:13 pm

Either of those two plus a first rounder or Splitter/Terrence Jones

I could grudgingly ok those trades but I like Monroe and wouldn't really do it.
You need 2-way wings, 2-way shooting bigs, and you can't allow low iq players on the court. Assist/turnover ratio is crucial. Shooting point guards are icing on the cake IF they are plus defenders.
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Post#30 » by vic » Fri Nov 8, 2013 6:18 pm

vic wrote:Either of those two plus a first rounder or Splitter/Terrence Jones

I could grudgingly ok those trades but I like Monroe and wouldn't really do it.


A talented sF is obviously more available than a talented PF... So I'd hesitate unless a starter or 1st rounder was also included.
Batum AND Aldridge for Monroe would be fair, but I wouldn't really make that choice happily. Monroe is 23 about to enter into his prime.
You need 2-way wings, 2-way shooting bigs, and you can't allow low iq players on the court. Assist/turnover ratio is crucial. Shooting point guards are icing on the cake IF they are plus defenders.
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Re: Greg Monroe for Kahwi Leonard or Chandler Parsons 

Post#31 » by sc8581 » Fri Nov 8, 2013 6:25 pm

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vic wrote:Either of those two plus a first rounder or Splitter/Terrence Jones

I could grudgingly ok those trades but I like Monroe and wouldn't really do it.


A talented sF is obviously more available than a talented PF... So I'd hesitate unless a starter or 1st rounder was also included.
Batum AND Aldridge for Monroe would be fair, but I wouldn't really make that choice happily. Monroe is 23 about to enter into his prime.


Fair!?!?!?!?!? Aldridge is miles better than Monroe, Batum and Leonard for Moose and CV would be fair and a very smart deal for our future.
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Re: Greg Monroe for Kahwi Leonard or Chandler Parsons 

Post#32 » by wallacex2jc » Fri Nov 8, 2013 7:16 pm

sc8581 wrote:
vic wrote:
vic wrote:Either of those two plus a first rounder or Splitter/Terrence Jones

I could grudgingly ok those trades but I like Monroe and wouldn't really do it.


A talented sF is obviously more available than a talented PF... So I'd hesitate unless a starter or 1st rounder was also included.
Batum AND Aldridge for Monroe would be fair, but I wouldn't really make that choice happily. Monroe is 23 about to enter into his prime.


Fair!?!?!?!?!? Aldridge is miles better than Monroe, Batum and Leonard for Moose and CV would be fair and a very smart deal for our future.


I agree, Aldrige is a perfect fit alongside Smith and Drummond, plus Batum at 2 would make the Pistons the most intimidating defensive team in the NBA. We would have to give up more than just Monroe, we have to at least put out our expiring and take on some of their bad contracts.


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Post#33 » by Sheeeeed » Fri Nov 8, 2013 7:28 pm

vic wrote:
vic wrote:Either of those two plus a first rounder or Splitter/Terrence Jones

I could grudgingly ok those trades but I like Monroe and wouldn't really do it.


A talented sF is obviously more available than a talented PF... So I'd hesitate unless a starter or 1st rounder was also included.
Batum AND Aldridge for Monroe would be fair, but I wouldn't really make that choice happily. Monroe is 23 about to enter into his prime.


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Re: Greg Monroe for Kahwi Leonard or Chandler Parsons 

Post#34 » by sc8581 » Fri Nov 8, 2013 7:56 pm

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sc8581 wrote:
vic wrote:
A talented sF is obviously more available than a talented PF... So I'd hesitate unless a starter or 1st rounder was also included.
Batum AND Aldridge for Monroe would be fair, but I wouldn't really make that choice happily. Monroe is 23 about to enter into his prime.


Fair!?!?!?!?!? Aldridge is miles better than Monroe, Batum and Leonard for Moose and CV would be fair and a very smart deal for our future.


I agree, Aldrige is a perfect fit alongside Smith and Drummond, plus Batum at 2 would make the Pistons the most intimidating defensive team in the NBA. We would have to give up more than just Monroe, we have to at least put out our expiring and take on some of their bad contracts.

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Thing is they don't have any bad contracts they're looking to get rid of. I still like Smith better at the 4 so I would just prefer to do a swap for Batum and keep him at the 3.
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Post#35 » by Q00 » Fri Nov 8, 2013 8:04 pm

sc8581 wrote:
wallacex2jc wrote:
sc8581 wrote:
Fair!?!?!?!?!? Aldridge is miles better than Monroe, Batum and Leonard for Moose and CV would be fair and a very smart deal for our future.


I agree, Aldrige is a perfect fit alongside Smith and Drummond, plus Batum at 2 would make the Pistons the most intimidating defensive team in the NBA. We would have to give up more than just Monroe, we have to at least put out our expiring and take on some of their bad contracts.

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Thing is they don't have any bad contracts they're looking to get rid of. I still like Smith better at the 4 so I would just prefer to do a swap for Batum and keep him at the 3.


So because you like Smith better at PF, you want to downgrade the overall talent on your roster by trading Monroe for Batum, just so you can change Smith's position?

Why not just move Smith to PF and bring Monroe off the bench?

These are probably the only guys I would consider trading Monroe for, who may be available: Rondo and Carmelo...

Considering none of these players mentioned in this thread (Leonard, Batum, Parsons, etc) are anywhere near the level of Rondo/Carmelo, this honestly shouldn't even be a discussion. If the Pistons ever did decide to trade Monroe, they need to set their goals a lot higher than getting role players in return.

The fact that we are leading the league in points in the paint, mostly because of Monroe, makes the idea of trading him for anyone kind of ridiculous at the moment.
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Re: Greg Monroe for Kahwi Leonard or Chandler Parsons 

Post#36 » by sc8581 » Fri Nov 8, 2013 9:50 pm

Q00 wrote:
sc8581 wrote:
wallacex2jc wrote:
I agree, Aldrige is a perfect fit alongside Smith and Drummond, plus Batum at 2 would make the Pistons the most intimidating defensive team in the NBA. We would have to give up more than just Monroe, we have to at least put out our expiring and take on some of their bad contracts.

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Thing is they don't have any bad contracts they're looking to get rid of. I still like Smith better at the 4 so I would just prefer to do a swap for Batum and keep him at the 3.


So because you like Smith better at PF, you want to downgrade the overall talent on your roster by trading Monroe for Batum, just so you can change Smith's position?

Why not just move Smith to PF and bring Monroe off the bench?

These are probably the only guys I would consider trading Monroe for, who may be available: Rondo and Carmelo...

Considering none of these players mentioned in this thread (Leonard, Batum, Parsons, etc) are anywhere near the level of Rondo/Carmelo, this honestly shouldn't even be a discussion. If the Pistons ever did decide to trade Monroe, they need to set their goals a lot higher than getting role players in return.

The fact that we are leading the league in points in the paint, mostly because of Monroe, makes the idea of trading him for anyone kind of ridiculous at the moment.


I've been saying all along that bringing Monroe off the bench was ideal, problem is we still have to pay him at seasons end and I'm not sure that 3 man rotation will keep everybody happy in the long run even if we're winning. Also, who do we start at SF then, I think Singler would be a decent option for now but not if we plan on competing for a title over the next few years. There's a possibility we could sign a veteran SF with the MLE during the summer but what quality guys will be available and willing to accept such an amount.
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Re: Greg Monroe for Kahwi Leonard or Chandler Parsons 

Post#37 » by dan2314 » Fri Nov 8, 2013 11:32 pm

hey sc8581, thanks for pointing yourself out as a monroe hater. now GTFO.
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Re: Greg Monroe for Kahwi Leonard or Chandler Parsons 

Post#38 » by sc8581 » Sat Nov 9, 2013 1:41 am

dan2314 wrote:hey sc8581, thanks for pointing yourself out as a monroe hater. now GTFO.


Logic is not hate, now GTFO

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