Wiggins "average" in practices - How good will Wiggins be?

PANDEMONEUM · Post #81 » by **PANDEMONEUM** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 11:21 pm

the high school bball hype machine is out of control

I cant believe any reports now, about how good any high schooler is any more
wer just going to have to see them in college and see how theyr doing

would like to see the ratings, on the top 10 draft prospects, before the college season
and how it changes during the season

SupremeHustle · Post #82 » by **SupremeHustle** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 11:23 pm

TroyD92 wrote:
Nycballa2k wrote:Wiggins will probably be amazing but the player from this draft who has really WOWed me is Aaron Gordon. He's the player i'm secretly hoping we get

Gross

I like Gordon in the top 6. I wouldn't be mad if that's how it ended up.

buckboy · Post #83 » by **buckboy** » Thu Nov 7, 2013 2:43 am

mattg wrote:
emunney wrote:Some of us non-interns have been saying this for quite a while already. This is still an ideal draft to have high picks.

Yeah I got ripped on for bringing this up a while back.

Mostly I want to question the scout who is quoted in that article though, when he mentions John Wall dominating every time out because that's blatantly false. Wall rode the most ridiculous overhype train of all time to the #1 pick, in addition to struggling badly for the entire SEC and NCAA tournament portion of his schedule. He only dominated absolutely scrub teams. At the time, I also felt similar about Beasley. Never was too impressed with him and never felt like he was truly dominating games, merely getting all the offensive touches.

As for Randle DB, he's got some concerns. He's a monstrous athlete, but only when he has a full head of steam. He's not nearly as explosive from a standstill and doesn't have a great second jump. His length isn't great and he doesn't look like he'll ever be a quality defender at PF. You also don't know how Randle sees himself as a player. If he thinks he's a SF he'll be mediocre. He's got to see himself as a face up PF. If both he and wiggins reach their ceiling, then wiggins is significantly better.

Wow. The Wall stuff in this post really isn't accurate at all. Might want to check the game logs.

JoeHova · Post #84 » by **JoeHova** » Thu Nov 7, 2013 2:53 am

The Beasley stuff isn't accurate either. That guy had arguably the best freshman season ever (albeit only because Alcindor, Robertson and Maravich weren't allowed to play varsity). His numbers were off the charts, better than Durant's across the board (and they played in the same conference so it's a pretty fair comparison). Beasley was an unbelievable college player who is not good in the NBA. It happens sometimes, although I was pretty surprised in Beasley's case.

mattg · Post #85 » by **mattg** » Thu Nov 7, 2013 3:39 am

buckboy wrote:
mattg wrote:
emunney wrote:Some of us non-interns have been saying this for quite a while already. This is still an ideal draft to have high picks.

Yeah I got ripped on for bringing this up a while back.

Mostly I want to question the scout who is quoted in that article though, when he mentions John Wall dominating every time out because that's blatantly false. Wall rode the most ridiculous overhype train of all time to the #1 pick, in addition to struggling badly for the entire SEC and NCAA tournament portion of his schedule. He only dominated absolutely scrub teams. At the time, I also felt similar about Beasley. Never was too impressed with him and never felt like he was truly dominating games, merely getting all the offensive touches.

As for Randle DB, he's got some concerns. He's a monstrous athlete, but only when he has a full head of steam. He's not nearly as explosive from a standstill and doesn't have a great second jump. His length isn't great and he doesn't look like he'll ever be a quality defender at PF. You also don't know how Randle sees himself as a player. If he thinks he's a SF he'll be mediocre. He's got to see himself as a face up PF. If both he and wiggins reach their ceiling, then wiggins is significantly better.

Wow. The Wall stuff in this post really isn't accurate at all. Might want to check the game logs.

Uhh, yes it is. Check his numbers out of conference compared to the rest of the year. Noticeable drop off. Plus it was completely obvious if you watched the games. You can't possibly argue that wall played as well at the end of the year as he did the beginning, plus he had a ton of noticeable issues. He did not utterly dominate every time heas onthe court that year. I have plenty of posts of mine from that college season I can dig up if you want.

As for Beasley yes he had gaudy numbers, but all I was saying was that I wasn't impressed at the time.

steger_3434 · Post #86 » by **steger_3434** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 1:26 am

It's early, very early, but wiggins in the first 10 minutes has not impressed. Lazy and a broke jumper. Very passive as we'll. Parker on the other hand, omg I want him. Reminds me of a young tmac more than a Carmelo.

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bucksbrewers3 · Post #87 » by **bucksbrewers3** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 1:28 am

Yea the guy I would want if we had a chance is Parker. Guy can do it all

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Ayt · Post #88 » by **Ayt** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 1:37 am

Parker is a just a great basketball player.

steger_3434 · Post #89 » by **steger_3434** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 2:05 am

Damn, I'm thinking wiggins just be made from the hype machine. Not impressive at all. Looks lazy. I've never seen a player just stand there with their hands on their hips as much. Threw a bad pass and didn't even try to get back. Really really passive. Parker on the other hand? Along with randle? Get me one of those please!!!!

Post #90 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 2:11 am

Randle won't be outworked by anyone. Combine that with awesome physical gifts and you got a future All-Star.

jokeboy86 · Post #91 » by **jokeboy86** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 2:21 am

My dream: Jabari Parker will save the Milwaukee Bucks franchise.

Newz · Post #92 » by **Newz** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 3:44 am

Newz wrote:I've never actually seen Wiggins play outside of a couple YouTube clips. Whenever I watch Parker play I am very impressed by him though. He's not an incredible athlete, but that guy has a ton of skills. Kind of reminds me a little bit of Paul Pierce... maybe Melo.

Post #93 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 3:52 am

I definitely see the Melo similarities.

JoeHova · Post #94 » by **JoeHova** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 4:26 am

ReasonablySober wrote:I definitely see the Melo similarities.

In a good way or bad way?

Post #95 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 4:27 am

JoeHova wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I definitely see the Melo similarities.

In a good way or bad way?

Good. Really talented offensively. Looks like a 25 ppg scorer in the NBA.

Ill-yasova · Post #96 » by **Ill-yasova** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 4:38 am

I like the T-Mac comparisons. Perfect.

Ill-yasova · Post #97 » by **Ill-yasova** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 4:39 am

Newz wrote:
Newz wrote:I've never actually seen Wiggins play outside of a couple YouTube clips. Whenever I watch Parker play I am very impressed by him though. He's not an incredible athlete, but that guy has a ton of skills. Kind of reminds me a little bit of Paul Pierce... maybe Melo.

44" vertical. He is very much an incredible athlete.

Mikeylikesit · Post #98 » by **Mikeylikesit** » Tue Dec 3, 2013 5:16 pm

So, has anyone's thought on Wiggins changed so far? I feel like Chad Ford has been reading this board..

• Wiggins raised the most eyebrows after a series of three straight mediocre performances at the Battle 4 Atlantis that raised questions about his aggressiveness. To be fair, Wiggins was battling a bug all week, but that didn't totally explain his lackluster performances. Scouts are scratching their heads a bit at his sudden reticence to take over on offense. He was 3-for-8 in a loss against Villanova on Friday, and 2-for-9 in a win against UTEP on Saturday. Those aren't exactly lights-out performances.

Then again, several scouts pointed out that at times he showed excellent defense (and almost won the game against Villanova with two big defensive plays at the end). The scouts said they don't expect Wiggins to be a dominant offensive presence every night; he has an all-around game that doesn't always require that, and Kansas has plenty of other options. But for those looking for reasons to doubt Wiggins, he gave his haters some ammunition. If Wiggins wants to be the No. 1 pick in a field as loaded as this, he's going to have to show some of Parker's alpha-dog tendencies.

Everything in those 2 paragraphs have been discussed either in this thread or the "late lotto" thread. I'm trying to come around to the point that he plays very good defense and his offense will develop. Though, it's hard when you need a guy to somewhat take over a team at the NBA level and he's not even doing it in college.

jakecronus8 · Post #99 » by **jakecronus8** » Tue Dec 3, 2013 7:38 pm

Wiggins' potential is higher than anyone in this draft, and that's why you take him #1, even if it takes a few years. Bucks rebuild needs to be more than one year anyways. That has burned us at least twice in the last 10 years.

bizarro · Post #100 » by **bizarro** » Tue Dec 3, 2013 10:08 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Wiggins' potential is higher than anyone in this draft, and that's why you take him #1, even if it takes a few years. Bucks rebuild needs to be more than one year anyways. That has burned us at least twice in the last 10 years.

I agree with the upside and athleticism part of Wiggins - it's the NBA afterall and you need elite athleticism to become truly great.

AND,

I also want to just remind all of us: It's really really early in the college season. We have plenty of time to formulate more-informed opinions as the season progresses. But, it is interesting that some of the concerns brought up before the season began still ring true for Wiggins' doubters. It will be interesting to see how this pans out over the next few months.