All Things "Brooklyn Nets" Thread

Paradise · Post #981 » by **Paradise** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 12:10 am

Some interesting stats so far

The Big 5: 118.7 ORTG, 89.8 DefRTG, 75.0 Ast% in 39 minutes

The starting five w/ Blatche: 126.9 ORTG, 110.1 DefRTG, 57.9 Ast% in 19 minutes

Keith Van Horn · Post #982 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 10:52 am

Who is going to get more regular season minutes, Terry or Anderson?

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therealbig3 · Post #983 » by **therealbig3** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 5:39 pm

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_ ... n-williams

Thoughts?

Although I think she's off in terms of Deron being a more vocal leader (he's never been that guy), I totally agree with the premise: it's time for D-Will to be the superstar player we expected him to be when we traded for him, for an ENTIRE season.

Take Melo for example. Knicks fans might not admit it, but he's been a disappointment since being traded there too. He hasn't had a single playoffs in which he's played well, and his first full season there was pretty poor by his standards (2012). And he's started this season poorly (2014). But even he had a great RS from beginning to end (2013) where he delivered what Knicks fans expected from him when he was traded to NY. So no matter what happens with his play from here on out, he has that one season where he gave them everything they wanted and he played like a superstar from beginning to end.

Deron hasn't done that yet, and this is his last chance to deliver imo.

Paradise · Post #984 » by **Paradise** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 5:51 pm

He doesn't have to be louder than KG. He just has to lead on the court and play MVP caliber basketball. Just because you are the best player doesn't mean you have to be a vocial leader. When he was attempting to be a voical, he was blamed for being a bad vocial leader so you cannot have it both ways.

The fact, she brought up reporters to make her point is pretty stupid but overall, he just needs to be healthy and lead on the floor accordingly.

He may not even put up big numbers with this team either but his impact has to be there.

therealbig3 · Post #985 » by **therealbig3** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 6:00 pm

Paradise wrote:He may not even put up big numbers with this team either but his impact has to be there.

This is a very good point imo. I think people might look at Deron's numbers superficially this season (he might not even average 15 ppg), and will think he's having a down year, but if he's being a high-efficiency offensive player, who's doing a great job of keeping everyone involved and giving them easy baskets, and if he's upping his defensive effort on a more consistent basis...then he'd be having a great season.

Post #986 » by **NyCeEvO** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 6:22 pm

I'm no Deron apologist but that article was full of hot garbage.

He's only averaging 8 points and 8 assists...because he's still on a minutes restriction and is in training camp mode physically.

He's not a vocal leader...because he's not vocal.

I usually hate reading ESPN comments but one person said it well:

"Johnette Howard, I simply do not get what you are grasping at. Are you saying you wanted DWill to take more of a vocal leadership role on this team? Based on history, that's not his personality and he would come off as fake, especially to a veteran-heavy team. Everyone has their role and the star player does not always have to be the vocal leader. It would be nice if that was the case, but it is not always so. Lopez is a top-5 center in the league, yet he is probably the least vocal guy on this team. Are you going to write a column criticizing him too?"

The article was really disjointed.

At one point they're talking about his lack of vocal leadership, then his injuries, then who he's playing with.

If you just want to say he needs to step it up, save the 400 word harangue and just say so.

deepblueday · Post #987 » by **deepblueday** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 6:30 pm

if youre going to write a petty, unwarranted takedown piece, dont be so obtuse as to include the nothing incident that inspired it in the text of the article. deron couldn't be bothered with the media after a thursday practice, clearly this is reflective of more systemic problems!

Paradise · Post #988 » by **Paradise** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 6:48 pm

therealbig3 wrote:
Paradise wrote:He may not even put up big numbers with this team either but his impact has to be there.

This is a very good point imo. I think people might look at Deron's numbers superficially this season (he might not even average 15 ppg), and will think he's having a down year, but if he's being a high-efficiency offensive player, who's doing a great job of keeping everyone involved and giving them easy baskets, and if he's upping his defensive effort on a more consistent basis...then he'd be having a great season.

Right now, Deron is 2nd behind Paul in Assists to Points per. His per 36 in points is 10 points, 10 assists. The only thing lacking is his shoot percentages and minutes which is bound to increase.

So, the media will kill him all year despite not understanding his offensive role is going to go down for this season and next season. Now, if Deron averaged 20, 10 on 50% shooting and harmed the team ball movement, then what?

DrazenForThree · Post #989 » by **DrazenForThree** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 9:01 pm

Paradise wrote:He doesn't have to be louder than KG. He just has to lead on the court and play MVP caliber basketball. Just because you are the best player doesn't mean you have to be a vocial leader. When he was attempting to be a voical, he was blamed for being a bad vocial leader so you cannot have it both ways.

The fact, she brought up reporters to make her point is pretty stupid but overall, he just needs to be healthy and lead on the floor accordingly.

He may not even put up big numbers with this team either but his impact has to be there.

i dont think he needs to be our mvp, be a leader, or even be one of our top 3 players. i think he just needs to except his role and not pout about it. if he does that we are good. we need him to fit in, not lead... we have leaders now

Post #990 » by **NyCeEvO** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 1:10 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NYDNInterNets/status/399018884033835008[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NYDNInterNets/status/399020239238594560[/tweet]

Post #991 » by **NyCeEvO** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:33 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NYDNInterNets/status/400842817716490240[/tweet]

Paradise · Post #992 » by **Paradise** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:25 am

NyCeEvO wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/NYDNInterNets/status/400842817716490240[/tweet]

Well, they didn't do that at all. They won in the halfcourt but that's not surprising since it was the obvious thing people were expecting especially when you are bottom 5 in the league in transition defense a year before.

bobbyc · Post #993 » by **bobbyc** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:08 pm

Can someone make a picture of Jason Kidd as Colonel Kurtz from apocalypse now saying "the shots weren't falling, the shots weren't falling."

DrazenForThree · Post #994 » by **DrazenForThree** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:32 pm

Paradise wrote:
NyCeEvO wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/NYDNInterNets/status/400842817716490240[/tweet]

Well, they didn't do that at all. They won in the halfcourt but that's not surprising since it was the obvious thing people were expecting especially when you are bottom 5 in the league in transition defense a year before.

im not really worried about teams running on us, and honestly it hasnt even hurt us much in our losses. rebounding, half court defense, settling for long 2's, and long lapses of lazy play have hurt us much more

bobbyc · Post #995 » by **bobbyc** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:10 pm

Even with our struggles. We are still in better shape than the Knicks, IMO.

bobbyc · Post #996 » by **bobbyc** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:34 pm

Why wasn't Deron wearing an ankle brace when he re-injured his ankle? He just sat out a month cause of the ankle, and he had issues all last season.

Post #997 » by **NyCeEvO** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:24 pm

bobbyc wrote:Why wasn't Deron wearing an ankle brace when he re-injured his ankle? He just sat out a month cause of the ankle, and he had issues all last season.

Because he wants to do things his way regardless of whether it means he becomes a detriment to the team.

D-Will thinks more about himself than the team.

We've seen with the whining and complaining to the refs, excuses for his litany of injuries, his diva attitude, and his inability to be the leader of the team.

He said it himself that one of the reasons he liked the trade for KG and Pierce is because he doesn't have to bear the responsibility of leading. He can just come in and do his thing.

I know a lot of people aren't natural leaders, but you should willingly look to take on that role if you're the franchise player and not actively shy away from it.

vincecarter4pres · Post #998 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:03 pm

Ankle braces are more placebo then real help anyway, even to an extent tape.

Post #999 » by **CalamityX12** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:41 pm

here I thought when we attained Dwill after we missed on Melo, I thought we we were better off and maybe won the deadline....

few years later, despite the talk, Melo plays and produces consistently.... damn, joke might be on me afterall....

come Dwill man up!

vincecarter4pres · Post #1000 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:49 pm

Melo has looked a lot like **** as well.

We should have just been patient and wound up with some sick team like CP3/LMA/Brook and a top notch supporting cast through draft picks, small trades and MLE sized signings.