Official Speculation Thread Pt.LXII

[NEM]

Tim (Gainesville)

Orlando is building a solid foundation for the future with Vucevic, Oladipo and whoever they draft next year. But with Vucevic's defensive shortcomings are they going to need a defensive stopper AT PF to ever truly contend?

Kevin Pelton (2:55 PM)

I don't know if you need a stopper. You probably need someone better defensively than Tobias Harris. [/i]

You skipped a part. Unintentional I'm sure. Bolded it for you.

Agree with the guy, we need better defense at the POWER FORWARD then using our best SMALL FORWARD as a full time four.

I didnt skip anything. It's right there in my OP.

Although I'm not sure what bolding the question from a random fan really proves. I think we do need a better defender than Tobias at the 4, although the downgrade defensively at the 3 would be significant.

So Tobias can't defend the 4 and seemingly can't play with other scorers.... Interesting. Really hoping this guy turns into the player everyone is expecting him to be.....

You make me LOL...

Downgrade defensively at the 3? Hahaha Jeff green abused him last night. Abused.

I wanna know one thing. How long did it take you to get over brandon bass not being a better than Ryan Anderson? Just so I know how long I should wait for you to realize this one...

Blue and white be like:

WE NEEDZ MOAR DUNKSZSZ

[bigdogdylan5]

I violated no rules, all I did was show its not virtually impossible to win the lottery later in the draft, anyone would WANT More ping pong balls, end of story

sigh

[bigdogdylan5]

Ok this drives me insane when people do this you are violating rule number one when looking at statistics, which is trusting a small sample size. I don't care what the past history says, if you get the worst record you have the most percentage chance of winning lottery because you have the most ping pong balls end of story

Yep, it is understanding math. Like the person that watches roulette land on black 10 times in a row and thinks the odds are higher to land on red now

That is a great analogy

[The Real Dalic]

Ok this drives me insane when people do this you are violating rule number one when looking at statistics, which is trusting a small sample size. I don't care what the past history says, if you get the worst record you have the most percentage chance of winning lottery because you have the most ping pong balls end of story

Yep, it is understanding math. Like the person that watches roulette land on black 10 times in a row and thinks the odds are higher to land on red now

That is a great analogy

Yeah, the people that want to tank are the ones that think it will land on red.

[NickAnderson]

I'd rather lose more games to gain a top 5 pick that will more then likely help us in the future then making the playoffs this year. That's just me though.

[Orlwillbeback]

Tim (Gainesville)

Orlando is building a solid foundation for the future with Vucevic, Oladipo and whoever they draft next year. But with Vucevic's defensive shortcomings are they going to need a defensive stopper AT PF to ever truly contend?

Kevin Pelton (2:55 PM)

I don't know if you need a stopper. You probably need someone better defensively than Tobias Harris. [/i]

You skipped a part. Unintentional I'm sure. Bolded it for you.

Agree with the guy, we need better defense at the POWER FORWARD then using our best SMALL FORWARD as a full time four.

I didnt skip anything. It's right there in my OP.

Although I'm not sure what bolding the question from a random fan really proves. I think we do need a better defender than Tobias at the 4, although the downgrade defensively at the 3 would be significant.

So Tobias can't defend the 4 and seemingly can't play with other scorers.... Interesting. Really hoping this guy turns into the player everyone is expecting him to be.....

harkless'd looked like shyt last night. I wouldnt say its much of a downgrade.

Tobias averaged like a block and a half

[Javanar]

Pfffh... Tobias fanboys trashing Harkless and bullying other posters....

Again and again and again...

[Blue_and_Whte]

ooooo a block and a half. Lockdown defender. Nah...Tobias should be fine as long as he doesn't have to share the ball with anyone. I think defensively, based on his one on one defense highlight video, he can do a decent job staying in front of guys.

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[Orlwillbeback]

:lol: ooooo a block and a half. Lockdown defender. Nah...Tobias should be fine as long as he doesn't have to share the ball with anyone. I think defensively, based on his one on one defense highlight video, he can do a decent job staying in front of guys.

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I find it strange that you have Tobias in your sig and yet you try to find any way you can to bash him.

[pogiro]

Tim (Gainesville)

Orlando is building a solid foundation for the future with Vucevic, Oladipo and whoever they draft next year. But with Vucevic's defensive shortcomings are they going to need a defensive stopper AT PF to ever truly contend?

Kevin Pelton (2:55 PM)

I don't know if you need a stopper. You probably need someone better defensively than Tobias Harris. [/i]

You skipped a part. Unintentional I'm sure. Bolded it for you.

Agree with the guy, we need better defense at the POWER FORWARD then using our best SMALL FORWARD as a full time four.

I didnt skip anything. It's right there in my OP.

Although I'm not sure what bolding the question from a random fan really proves. I think we do need a better defender than Tobias at the 4, although the downgrade defensively at the 3 would be significant.

So Tobias can't defend the 4 and seemingly can't play with other scorers.... Interesting. Really hoping this guy turns into the player everyone is expecting him to be.....

Tobias can't play with other scorers? Where'd that come from? He doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective. He's very good at moving without the ball for one. He's shown useful vision and passing ability. It doesn't seem that he's selfish. Ideally I'd want him to be our second option.

[Blue_and_Whte]

:lol: ooooo a block and a half. Lockdown defender. Nah...Tobias should be fine as long as he doesn't have to share the ball with anyone. I think defensively, based on his one on one defense highlight video, he can do a decent job staying in front of guys.

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I find it strange that you have Tobias in your sig and yet you try to find any way you can to bash him.

I'm bashing him? He's a good young player why wouldn't I have him in my sig?


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[Orlwillbeback]

:lol: ooooo a block and a half. Lockdown defender. Nah...Tobias should be fine as long as he doesn't have to share the ball with anyone. I think defensively, based on his one on one defense highlight video, he can do a decent job staying in front of guys.

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I find it strange that you have Tobias in your sig and yet you try to find any way you can to bash him.

I'm bashing him? He's a good young player why wouldn't I have him in my sig?


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[Neon1]

:lol: ooooo a block and a half. Lockdown defender. Nah...Tobias should be fine as long as he doesn't have to share the ball with anyone. I think defensively, based on his one on one defense highlight video, he can do a decent job staying in front of guys.

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So Harkless locks down people? Oh.

Tobias ballhogs but has never had a usage above 23.1%? Oh.

Ballhog even though he has more assists in JUST his 27 game stint (56ast 974mins 27gms), then Harkless has had in his entire career (54ast 2135mins 82gms)? Oh.


Facts, facts and more facts >>>>> Your continued completely baseless opinion.

[Javanar]

Why don't you guys wait until the end of the season to make a more realistic comparison of Harkless and Tobes?

[Driguez]

Tobias is more important and the more talented between the two. Why is this is so hard to understand?

[Javanar]

Tobias is more important and the more talented between the two. Why is this is so hard to understand?

We need both of them... I do not think it is a good idea to compare them this early. In this way you are raising expectations for one of them and trashing the other one... Not a good condition for young players, IMO.

[Orlwillbeback]

Tobias is more important and the more talented between the two. Why is this is so hard to understand?

We need both of them... I do not think it is a good idea to compare them this early. In this way you are raising expectations for one of them and trashing the other one... Not a good condition for young players, IMO.

that's no fun

[Neon1]

Tobias is more important and the more talented between the two. Why is this is so hard to understand?

We need both of them... I do not think it is a good idea to compare them this early. In this way you are raising expectations for one of them and trashing the other one... Not a good condition for young players, IMO.

*throws tomatoes* Booooooooooooo.....

[OrlChamps2030]

Tobias is more important and the more talented between the two. Why is this is so hard to understand?

Yup. There is just no hard proof of Harkless being anywhere near Harris' level of production in any part of the game sans on-ball defense. Tobias has quantitative data backing him up - PER, simple statistics, advanced statistics, PER36, overall production etc. Harkless' supporters for the most part seem to rely on qualitative data - Potential, Upside, Inexperience, Playing out of position, reported offseason improvement , etc.

Unless Tobias takes a major step back this season - Him & Harkless aren't even in the same league right now. I want Harkless to excel in this league.. Having a PR kid from NY on the Magic is awesome. But I just don't get how you can say Harkless is more talented now.

[XonezIOIzenoX]

alright, look.

I would much rather preferred tanking now then be in me·di·o·cre or at best, a contender (not a top 2 team but in the ranges of being top 5 or 7 at best). Here are my reason as to why:


1. This year draft can bring a great player within our young roster. You might not want to call that player a superstar, but the potential of being one or even a all star at that are there. The potential and stock of those players will be a great value to any future deals or attraction to any future free agents to our team. This is what makes us attractive, if not, the most important reason to come here besides the money and destination.

2. These are the players with all star potentials in our team. VUC, Tobias, and Oladipo. Moe Harkless though we would wish to say has potential as well, his growth is at the rate of a great role player at best. Sorry for any moe harkless fans out there, but its the truth. I see Tmac play at this kid age and trust me, I even knew Tmac had a all star potential. Anyways, VUC and Tobias will be demanding 10+ million a year in 2 years from now if they continue to play well as they have been. That will be almost 25+million a year combine, and is almost more then 1/3 of our CAPspace. Not gonna speak on Oladipo since his contract will be up in 4 years from now from his already 6 million dollars a year. Add another possible draftee from top 5 and we will have our selves a capspace between 4 great players in next 4-5 years just at 34-36 million a year!! Now that is what you call Low Risk High Value, something most of you should understand by now.


That being said. tanking brings a possible great potential+asset+low rish+High Value player in our already somewhat attractive place to be wanting to play with. This is how how you play the GM Game. Here is what a rookie GM would have done....Play-offs!! Given the chance that this team has no chance to beat Miami in a game 7 series, not to mention indiana pacers. We will only be in their way on path to the finals. Given our path of growth and how our roster is currently intact. We will only be a stepping stone at best. Lets not fool our selves guys. We are not in position to contend for a championship, not for another few years. If we somehow ended up in a range of wins somewhere along the lines of 30-37 wins will bring you to Milwaukee bucks territory Mediocre. YOU DON'T WANT THAT. and neither do I.

Tanking is just another form of winning if you will with Low risk and high value potential. This is just another tactical form of winning, which is rare to do since OWNERS of Teams wants to win MONEY NOW in which hurts the ways of winning in the long process. So let's stay in path to gather our selves one last great asset, and we will be all set.