Washington Wizards @ OKC Thunder GT 11/10/13 (7 PM)

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I wonder why Gortat sit almost 9 minutes in 4q and Wall + Nene about 6 minutes. Wittmans rotation is somethimes so dumb.

I know from game cast the lead was always more than 9. The momentum only changed at less than 4 minutes, when Nene was ejected.

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[dlts20]

No moral victory on this. This was a bad loss. If you want to crown their ass then crown em, we let them of the hook.

Free throws, what the hell?

Rebounds, what the hell?

Air balling a layup at the end of OT, what the hell?

Not sure which choke jobs worse, the skins at Vikings, or wiz at okc.

I totally agree. Im not with the moral victory crap. moral victory is if it was close all the way and we came up just short. This was our game to lose. 10pt lead with 3 or 4min left. You gotta win that game

[hands11]

Let's just take the good out of this loss.

That's the way I'm looking at it.

It stinks but it is what it is.

I take some solace in the fact that it took that kind of effort for OKC to beat us.

No one expected a win before the game.

And we got a watch a good game. I'm not pissed. Way better then a big lose.

That played this tough. In OKC. OKC won't overlook them. Nor will other teams in the league.

The start to this year we knew would be tough. Specially adding Gortat late. They are coming into form. More room to grow for sure.

Ibaka killed them after Nene went out. Needed some Kevin or someone to cover him. Ves, Booker. Someone. Kevin was plus 7 on the night. Having him in was helping. Maybe they didn't trust his decision making in the crunch. But the players out there had mental lapses anyway.

AH couldn't hit.
Beal tossed an air ball.
Wall clanked a few outside shots.
Trevor A had that mid court turnover.

But Gortat was awesome with those baseline spin moves.

It was a good game. But the difference in this one win is...top 8 or bottom of the conference.

Gotta go get one in Dallas. That will put us right back in the pack. Every game counts when you looking to make the playoff. Its not like the tank year. Every single game is really important.

[manifested]

you guys are smoking crack saying that its a no brainer to take that layup. He didnt hit any rim. If it was an easy layup then he wouldfve atleast hit rim. he beat his man but Jackson came off the corner guy and was right in his face. Wall had to come from under and then go over Jackson. Thats a very hard layup. Ill take that wide open corner J any time over that. Pros can hit that all day and that is actually Ariza's shot

Why would anyone pass up a layup for a 3 pointer which will miss most of the time? That is just dumb. All he had to do was go glass. He has finished tougher shots that that a million times.

you guys act like the play is designed for a 3. no one is saying that. You go for 2 but if it ends up that you have a contested 2 or a wide open J then you pass the ball out for the open J. All layups arent the same. He would miss that layup way more then a pro shooter misses that open J. It wasnt anywhere near the easy layup you guys say. He had to bring the ball from under with a guy standing right in his face. The open 3pt guy's man came off him onto Wall. He was there in Wall's face. At any other point in the game the NBA player makes that pass but now you guys are saying to take the 2 because its for the game? No. Make that pass. I suggest you guys watch the replay again. It wasnt just a simple layup like you guys are tying to make it seem and Wall always passes in that situation. Again, he didnt hit any rim so how could it be so easy?

The risk, if the pass is a little off target, is that the shot is rushed or we don't get a shot off. If you get a shot at the rim, with no bigs in the way, with a chance to win the game, you have to score. You always take that over a jumper. That's a fantastic opportunity with 4 seconds left.

Maybe he was fouled, but he needs to do more to force the issue. Go up strong with two hands. And If he can't because the back is bothering him, the team needs to be smart. Sit him for a game or two and get him right before this turns into a months long thing where he's playing but seriously limited.



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[tontoz]

he wont miss that shot 60% of the time. Remember teh video with Deshawn & Gil shooting hoops? Pros make them wide open shots all day and the corner 3 is his shot. Even if he misses it 60% of the time its still betteer than Walls attempt because he's going to miss that 90% of the time.

Im looking to bash Wall? Im not a hater. I think Wall has MVP potential but he wont reach anything if he doesnt try to. Again, I could live with a guy playing bad or being a bust but I cant live with a great player who is not even trying to be great. Thats what Wall does alot until he flips the switch and I want him to flip it now

OMG are you really trying to compare shooting one after the other in practice to shooting in a game? That explains a lot.

It isn't like Wall was trying to finish over Ibaka. All he had to beat was a pg who was backing up. There was nobody between the ball and the rim when he released that shot. If you think Wall is going to miss that 90% of the time then you are completely ignorant about basketball.

[hands11]

Did Wall guard Westbrook all game? Missed it. Looks like he had a poor showing, but if he was the reason for Westbrooks poor shooting, then he basically did his job.

Exactly. Wall played him pretty even. Most assist. 3 less pts. Wall just needed to hit one more of those 3s. If you are going to take 5, you need more make more then 1.

But the same is true of Webster who was 1-7 from 3.

Very impressed my Nene's passion the last two games.

So we have a back to back coming up. Maybe Randy digs into the bench a little more.

[B-easy]

Sigh... I guess Wall will always be inconsistent . After the last 20 games of last season i thought he had learnt.

On the bright side Beal looks way more assertive, even in his bad games. I like his handle and aggressiveness to the rim, haven't seen wall do what beal has done.

[Tricky_Kid]

Good game anyway, it's almost morning here cheers Wiz fans

[dandridge 10]

Dlts, I have to disagree that Wall should have passed that ball. You don't pass up a lay-up for a 3 pointer when you only need 1. And, I have watched that last play several times now, and Wall had plenty of space and control to use the board for that lay-up and didn't. Hey, he's human and not perfect, but I do believe that it was a makeable lay-up.

With that said, I don't get all the negative vibe with Wall. I too would like to see him drive a little more, but he seems to be playing more mature and under control this year. He is also taking better control of the ball. Its early in the season and perhaps he is playing with an injured back. Anyway, if he keeps playing the way he is playing but just get to the line a little more, he will be right back to where he was at the end of last year, maybe even better because I think he is playing more under control. I'm not down on Wall at all.

Anyway, I am more encouraged by the Wizards after the last three games. Their defense looks much better, Gortat is fitting in very well and Beal is ballin'. I'm optimistic but I think the next two games will say a lot about this team. Will they come out with the same fire they did tonight, or lay down. We shall see.

[dlts20]

he wont miss that shot 60% of the time. Remember teh video with Deshawn & Gil shooting hoops? Pros make them wide open shots all day and the corner 3 is his shot. Even if he misses it 60% of the time its still betteer than Walls attempt because he's going to miss that 90% of the time.

Im looking to bash Wall? Im not a hater. I think Wall has MVP potential but he wont reach anything if he doesnt try to. Again, I could live with a guy playing bad or being a bust but I cant live with a great player who is not even trying to be great. Thats what Wall does alot until he flips the switch and I want him to flip it now

dude, Wall's been missing all his layups lately and I compared it to practice because he was wide wide wide open. You never get that shot in the league and if you do, guys make it at a very high perscentage. I knew Wall would miss it before he shot it. He's going full speed, bringing the ball from down low, coming from under teh basket going the opposite way, with a defeender crossing in front of him. Yes that is much harder then hou are making it seem and at the end of the day he missed it so for you to try to act like youre right no matter what is stupid. Again, he didnt even touch the rim

OMG are you really trying to compare shooting one after the other in practice to shooting in a game? That explains a lot.

It isn't like Wall was trying to finish over Ibaka. All he had to beat was a pg who was backing up. There was nobody between the ball and the rim when he released that shot. If you think Wall is going to miss that 90% of the time then you are completely ignorant about basketball.

[dlts20]

Dlts, I have to disagree that Wall should have passed that ball. You don't pass up a lay-up for a 3 pointer when you only need 1. And, I have watched that last play several times now, and Wall had plenty of space and control to use the board for that lay-up and didn't. Hey, he's human and not perfect, but I do believe that it was a makeable lay-up.

With that said, I don't get all the negative vibe with Wall. I too would like to see him drive a little more, but he seems to be playing more mature and under control this year. He is also taking better control of the ball. Its early in the season and perhaps he is playing with an injured back. Anyway, if he keeps playing the way he is playing but just get to the line a little more, he will be right back to where he was at the end of last year, maybe even better because I think he is playing more under control. I'm not down on Wall at all.

Anyway, I am more encouraged by the Wizards after the last three games. Their defense looks much better, Gortat is fitting in very well and Beal is ballin'. I'm optimistic but I think the next two games will say a lot about this team. Will they come out with the same fire they did tonight, or lay down. We shall see.

As for the layup stuff. Trust me, I know bball. Im the first guy to get upset if guys go for 3 when they are down 1. There is nothing worst with that. However, those situations are different. Thats when a team is down by 1 and a guy runs the clock down to jack up a 3. Or even if the game is tied and they take a 3, I hate that. However, there are some situations where the 3 is actually the best shot because the D took all the 2's away and left a guy wide open. Thats not a bad shot to me. Ill take that all day. Again, that wasnt a normal layup to me.

As for Wall, I disagree with Wiz fans on this issue. Wiz fans are trying to make it seem like its one way or the other. He's either aggressive or he's under control. No. He can be both. He dominated at the end of last season because he was aggressive and under control. Thats what our fans arent getting. This guy is not worth 80mil playing liek that. I can get Darren Collinson or someone to play under control for way less. The fact is Wall mastered it last year. He was playing mad aggressive while still being as under control as he is now.

Not only that but look at the shooting percentage. He played this way last year and shot 30-40% like always but when he started playing aggresive, he was 45-53%. He'll take better shots and he'll even make the same shots he's missing now because he's just in a more aggressive rhythm. He can do both but he has to try. Again, I wont put it on the back because Ive seen him play like that way too often. Its just him

[GhostsOfGil]

Wall HAS improved in a lot of areas. He's controlling the game like a boss and is running the team like an elite PG. With that said his offense has definitely regressed. Maybe it's his back or maybe his confidence in his jumper is clouding his judgment. Either way, I sure hope he picks it up. We have 80 mill riding on this guy and watching him consistently shoot under 40% is extremely disappointing.

[truwizfan4evr]

Wall HAS improved in a lot of areas. He's controlling the game like a boss and is running the team like an elite PG. With that said his offense has definitely regressed. Maybe it's his back or maybe his confidence in his jumper is clouding his judgment. Either way, I sure hope he picks it up. We have 80 mill riding on this guy and watching him consistently shoot under 40% is extremely disappointing.

Glad to hear some positive feedback on Wall for once.

[dandridge 10]

Dlts, I have to disagree that Wall should have passed that ball. You don't pass up a lay-up for a 3 pointer when you only need 1. And, I have watched that last play several times now, and Wall had plenty of space and control to use the board for that lay-up and didn't. Hey, he's human and not perfect, but I do believe that it was a makeable lay-up.

With that said, I don't get all the negative vibe with Wall. I too would like to see him drive a little more, but he seems to be playing more mature and under control this year. He is also taking better control of the ball. Its early in the season and perhaps he is playing with an injured back. Anyway, if he keeps playing the way he is playing but just get to the line a little more, he will be right back to where he was at the end of last year, maybe even better because I think he is playing more under control. I'm not down on Wall at all.

Anyway, I am more encouraged by the Wizards after the last three games. Their defense looks much better, Gortat is fitting in very well and Beal is ballin'. I'm optimistic but I think the next two games will say a lot about this team. Will they come out with the same fire they did tonight, or lay down. We shall see.

As for the layup stuff. Trust me, I know bball. Im the first guy to get upset if guys go for 3 when they are down 1. There is nothing worst with that. However, those situations are different. Thats when a team is down by 1 and a guy runs the clock down to jack up a 3. Or even if the game is tied and they take a 3, I hate that. However, there are some situations where the 3 is actually the best shot because the D took all the 2's away and left a guy wide open. Thats not a bad shot to me. Ill take that all day. Again, that wasnt a normal layup to me.

As for Wall, I disagree with Wiz fans on this issue. Wiz fans are trying to make it seem like its one way or the other. He's either aggressive or he's under control. No. He can be both. He dominated at the end of last season because he was aggressive and under control. Thats what our fans arent getting. This guy is not worth 80mil playing liek that. I can get Darren Collinson or someone to play under control for way less. The fact is Wall mastered it last year. He was playing mad aggressive while still being as under control as he is now.

Not only that but look at the shooting percentage. He played this way last year and shot 30-40% like always but when he started playing aggresive, he was 45-53%. He'll take better shots and he'll even make the same shots he's missing now because he's just in a more aggressive rhythm. He can do both but he has to try. Again, I wont put it on the back because Ive seen him play like that way too often. Its just him

Well, since you know bball, I guess there is nothing else to say.

We will just agree to disagree on the last shot. Regarding him playing more aggressive, I don't necessarily disagree. However, he is showing improvement in other areas (cutting turnovers, more control, 3 pointers), he has reportedly had back spasms, and the Wiz have only played 6 games. You might be right that "its just him." However, he played aggressive for the last few months of last season, and I think its too early to conclude he not going to get back to that level of play this year.

[nuposse04]

Had to keep track of the game on my phone. Had to turn away after we were up 9 or so, with about 4.5 mins left. I didn't think we'd win this game, but mother **** this team has a way of twisting the dagger in your heart. I haven't read the game thread...I'm fearful if I should :/

[Hypnotizer]

No one expected a win before the game.

I did.

No-one said about one thing - last plays in regular time was hopeless. I don't know what Randy drew, but we lost game because of this.
But Wizards played whole game with passion and I'm very optimistic about this team. Shame there was no Nene at the end...

[hands11]

Wall HAS improved in a lot of areas. He's controlling the game like a boss and is running the team like an elite PG. With that said his offense has definitely regressed. Maybe it's his back or maybe his confidence in his jumper is clouding his judgment. Either way, I sure hope he picks it up. We have 80 mill riding on this guy and watching him consistently shoot under 40% is extremely disappointing.

Glad to hear some positive feedback on Wall for once.

What I'm most worried about regarding Wall right now is his back. He has to get that right.

What I am most worried about with the Wizards is their last of athleticism.

Neither Nene or Gortat can jump.
AH has an old man game. He isn't quick and can't jump.
Webster is an ok athlete but he isn't Wall.
Beal has ok straight line handles but nothing like a Wade
Maynor is an average athlete

They really only have Wall, Beal and Trevor A who play that are athletic at all. Well and Kevin S

Hey, they played them tough. I give them that. But just one pogo stick type would really help this team.
This is why I think they need to mix in with the starters players like Kevin, Ves, Glen and Booker.

Where is out Reggie Jackson ?
Even a Perry Jones would help.

And what the hell is going on with Otto ? Can someone tell us something ?

[hands11]

No one expected a win before the game.

I did.

No-one said about one thing - last plays in regular time was hopeless. I don't know what Randy drew, but we lost game because of this.
But Wizards played whole game with passion and I'm very optimistic about this team. Shame there was no Nene at the end...

I would say we lost it more because...

Nene sucks at shooting FTs Why someone doesn't fix it is beyond me. He is to good to be that bad at it.
Trevor A went 0-5 and that doesn't usually happen
Webster went 1-7 from 3, that doesn't usually happen

And the refs ejected Nene over something they shouldn't have.

Then I would look at Wall making a weak attempt on the final play. You have to go strong. He went weak.

I would have rather Glen Rice made that move. He would have went strong. So would Beal.

[Dat2U]

Huh, no moral victories now? Oh really? Isn't this season one big moral victory seeking exercise?

[Hypnotizer]

I would say we lost it more because...

Nene sucks at shooting FTs Why someone doesn't fix it is beyond me. He is to good to be that bad at it.
Trevor A went 0-5 and that doesn't usually happen
Webster went 1-7 from 3, that doesn't usually happen

And the refs ejected Nene over something they shouldn't have.

Then I would look at Wall making a weak attempt on the final play. You have to go strong. He went weak.

I would have rather Glen Rice made that move. He would have went strong. So would Beal.

Of course there were many "because", but that happened with 10 pts lead and about 4 minutes to win a nice game in OKC. Nene sucked FT earlier. Btw, I think technical for Brazilian was right decision, he pushed RB away too hard.
And John didn't go weak, he went agilely. I don't have a problem with last play.

I hope we can beat Mavs easily.